I'm hoping there's no info because they've reconsidered the idea of a crowd stealth based game (because, let's face it, based on AC, there really isn't much "stealth" going on there), and are reincorporating L&S. A girl can dream...

Meanwhile, I've been playin' me some Tenchu Z. HA! I rhymed.

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Originally posted by lochang19:
UBI is UBI.

You apparently forget though, Smith, that you could complete the entire chaos theory game without killing anyone (but you had to KO a handful of people).

Nope I didn't forget that, I simply wanted to provide othere examples where you could play more actionoriented and didn't have to use stealth at all.

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Originally posted by Chinese_Bookey:
Why do the mods always take Ubi's side?

Huh?

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and didn't have to use stealth at all.

Welcome, Unreal Tournament 3/Crysis/[insert shooter here]

I don't take Ubi's side neccessarily. I have been rather boitsterous about Ubi's mistakes over the years, it is about knowing how to do it to get your point across. Now, I do defend them if they have done the right thing. As far as Conviction goes, I haven't really paid any attention to what the storyline is or any of the gameplay details. I haven't even seen the trailer.

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Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
I don't take Ubi's side neccessarily. I have been rather boitsterous about Ubi's mistakes over the years, it is about knowing how to do it to get your point across. Now, I do defend them if they have done the right thing. As far as Conviction goes, I haven't really paid any attention to what the storyline is or any of the gameplay details. I haven't even seen the trailer.

I don't want to seem judgemental or anything, but how is it that you are a Splinter Cell moderator if you are not that much of a fan?

I thorougly enjoyed the first 2 games. I spent many a day here helping out people get the game running. I am a fan of the series, just not a fan of complete change of a franchise.

Not knowing much about Conviction does not keep me from being a moderator. Think of moderators as policemen, we help keep the peace in the forums. Some of us are smart enough to gleen information from those who post here to get an idea what is or isn't liked about a games direction.

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Originally posted by scworld:

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and didn't have to use stealth at all.

Welcome, Unreal Tournament 3/Crysis/[insert shooter here]

I'll ignore that polemic message and I think, you missed the point, scworld. I already explained, that it probably won't be much different if you look at the previous SC games. The devs always provided the player with lots of "tools" and then let him / her play the way he / she wanted to play. Now with SCC they promised to give us an even larger playground and the possibility to make use of the objects in our surroundings which adds more realism to the game and perfectly fits the setting.

@Chinese_Bookey

The only "side" I'm on, is my own. The world isn't just black and white but full of colors and shades of gray. However just like everybody else, I have my own opinion and since I respect yours, you should also respect mine. Thank you.

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Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
I thorougly enjoyed the first 2 games. I spent many a day here helping out people get the game running. I am a fan of the series, just not a fan of complete change of a franchise.

Not knowing much about Conviction does not keep me from being a moderator. Think of moderators as policemen, we help keep the peace in the forums. Some of us are smart enough to gleen information from those who post here to get an idea what is or isn't liked about a games direction.

Fair enough then.

Smith I think that scworld's point is that in previous SC games it was always much more enjoyable and rewarding to play through stealthily. If you went through gung-ho, it would never really stand out in your mind as a fantastic action game as that was not what it was designed for. It looks to me that this is not the case for Conviction.

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Originally posted by EskimoBob32:
Smith I think that scworld's point is that in previous SC games it was always much more enjoyable and rewarding to play through stealthily. If you went through gung-ho, it would never really stand out in your mind as a fantastic action game as that was not what it was designed for.

Don't get me wrong, I understood what he was talking about, I always prefered a stealthy approach myself but we have to realize, that SC has always been a mixture of stealth & action gameplay (that's why it's genre is called stealth-action).

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It looks to me that this is not the case for Conviction.

We've only seen a small glimpse of SCC so far. It's supposed to be a sandbox game, so it's the player who decides if he / she wants to go guns blazing or use a more stealthy approach to the situations he's in. So it's very much like SCCT only with a different setting. The point of sandbox styled games is simply that everything is optional.

Let me give you one example which has been discussed to the death:

As a fugitive you're constantly on the run from the authorities, so it's only natural that if you're being chased by guards, special forces or even 3E agents you'll do everything, to get some distance between you and the ones chasing you. You do that because if you don't, they'll either easily catch and arrest you (which in Sam's case means you won't get the chance to prove that you're innocent) or you'll have to make use of non-lethal maybe even lethal force in order to get out of their line of sight.

One of the options you'll have at your disposal, is to create obstacles by flipping over maybe even throwing objects or blocking doors etc. however, if you didn't play the game in a suspicious way in the first place, you probably won't have to make use of these options because none is going to chase you (unless your behaviour is suspicious or someone recognized your face of course).

Compared to SCCT it's not much different. Either you've been stealthy enough and had a good timing for your actions which means you stayed unnoticed or hell broke lose and everyone on the map has been alerted to your presence, in which case you were forced to either knock out or maybe even kill the AI. However if you've played the game stealthy and none noticed you, then you didn't have to incapacitate anyone or waste a single shot of your gun.

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so it's very much like SCCT.

except that Sam loses everything that made him Sam (goggles, suit, 3E, Sarah). If he'd get plastic surgery and a name changes, it woudn't even be Sam anymore. (k, except the voice then...)

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Originally posted by scworld:
except that Sam loses everything that made him Sam (goggles, suit, 3E, Sarah).

Who said he won't try to get his equipment back and clean his name? Did you ever play Essentials?

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Who said he won't try to get his equipment back and clean his name? Did you ever play Essentials?

Yes, I bought the game and borrowed a PSP. And his intentions don't matter if the whole game is without the results of those intentions.

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Originally posted by scworld:
Yes, I bought the game and borrowed a PSP. And his intentions don't matter if the whole game is without the results of those intentions.

True, but then again, you don't know if it will be without any results because you haven't played or even seen it and that's the point.

One question Chris,
YOU seem to know a whole lot more about this game than has been released to the public. How is this so? and when will more be released for the fans to mull over? Was the small blurb in the OXM right on when they stated a Major Roll Back of release date???
As things stand till I really see some concrete pics and/or more and better news I have no intentions of getting ConViction.

I also believe that a good story line is important to any game. In most games it is what drives the game and the way a person plays said game. BUT I found a part of DA game very wrong. Killing off Shara and the resulting actions and demoralization of Sam was not the Sam I know. He was/is too focused and strong for that $hit. Upset yes, need time to recover YES but to be completely destroyed no. In all good Conscience would you want someone like that to go under cover to the extent Sam would have to. To pull him out of what he was doing is good because Lambert had a bigger problem on the table.
Also from much of what I have read most people did not kill Lambert but he ends up dead anyways, that is pure CRA P, and when Williams chimes in you have got to know that there is your real bad guy. There are way too many loose ends in DA. Why bother running around finding all the info on the JBA when you are going to kill them off anyways.

Sorry but there was so much wrong with the action of the game. The 360 version sucked big time.

And further move don't compare SC to Vegas. Vegas was well thought out and put into action. The only problem was "TO BE CONTINUED". I want Gabes ARSE dead

Although Smith isn't a CM anymore, he's of course the main mod at the German forums, which no doubt gives access to non-public info. So it's normal that he knows more. Too bad that Ubi marketing sucks, so we've been left in the dark ("YAY darkness!") for a month of 4.

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Originally posted by Angel Fire:
One question Chris,
YOU seem to know a whole lot more about this game than has been released to the public. How is this so?

I'm not the one who has to communicate the game to the public and / or convince you to buy it, so please accept that I won't comment on that.

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...and when will more be released for the fans to mull over?

That's a question you should better ask the responsible members of the Ubisoft staff, as I don't have access to this kind of information and - just like you - can only sit and wait to learn more about it.

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Originally posted by scworld:
[..]he's of course the main mod at the German forums, which no doubt gives access to non-public info. So it's normal that he knows more.

You're overestimating the access level of a mod and there's no position like "main mod", I'm just a (very dedicated) Tom Clancy mod like any other of my colleagues.

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Was the small blurb in the OXM right on when they stated a Major Roll Back of release date???

Sorry but I rarely read the OXM...however, Ubi knows their release dates at best, so as long as you stick to their official announcements, you can't go wrong!

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As things stand till I really see some concrete pics and/or more and better news I have no intentions of getting ConViction.

I understand that and I'm not going to blame you or anyone else for that. In fact, I'd probably react the exact same way in your situation.

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There are way too many loose ends in DA.

I agree with you that there have been a few things in SCDA that didn't went well or at least could have been better explained and I always said that SCDA wasn't perfect in my opinion but it also had some nice and innovative ideas in it - the 360 / PC / PS3 AND the Xbox 1 / PS2 version. I'm also not very happy about the loose ends you mentioned, but unless anyone of us finds a way to turn back time and correct this, we'll have to accept that all that happened in the SC universe and simply hope that Montreal is dedicated enough (because I want to play futher SC titles) to avoid such loose ends in the future.

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Sorry but there was so much wrong with the action of the game. The 360 version sucked big time.

You don't have to apologize for your personal opinion, it's ok. Let me just say, that it wasn't bad but unfortunately it's been not as good, as it could have been. Others may have a different opinion on that and I respect their opinion, even if I can't share it.

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Vegas was well thought out and put into action.

I know a lot of others who're not sharing that opinion however I also liked Vegas although it was very different to the previous R6 games and I missed a few features from the good old Raven Shield.

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The only problem was "TO BE CONTINUED". I want Gabes ARSE dead

Who knows, maybe you'll have the chance to get him in Vegas 2!

BTW: Did you know that, with the right timing, you're even able to shoot his chopper down (although I don't think that's intended to be that way)?

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Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:
@Chinese_Bookey

The only "side" I'm on, is my own. The world isn't just black and white but full of colors and shades of gray. However just like everybody else, I have my own opinion and since I respect yours, you should also respect mine. Thank you.

Sure. It's just that even the most enthusiastic pro-Convictioners defend neither this game nor Ubisoft as much as you do. If they do, though, then I must be (color) blind, and I apologize. But for now, I'll keep entertaining the thought of your brain being directly linked to the suits at Ubispooge who write everything that comes out of you. That's my opinion. No hard feelings.

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Originally posted by Chinese_Bookey:
If they do, though, then I must be (color) blind, and I apologize.

Apology accepted.

BTW: I'm not defending Ubisoft or SCC, I just state my opinion based on what I know / have seen or just heard.

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This whole conversation has gotten a lot off topic. Back to my main question when I started this topic, what would you the Fan like to see in the next SC game???

More of what the first four Xbox SC games had.L/S stealth,suit,goggles,gadgets,no time limits,affiliation with an espionage organization,fifth freedom.New countries to infiltrate to gather covert intel,etc...