Good news guys.
I've contact Lock on term. They tell me they will add China to Lock on v1.2
and add Chinese J-11 as well!!

That's very good news...but the J-11 is not going to be a flyable.

Wrong! It will be. if they have enough time to do it.

Unless the J-11 is the same as the Su-27 then i guess it would be allowed. But there's not enough time. If 1.2 is going to come out in March, they will have to remodel the cockpit and probably the Su-27 model to fit the J-11. They will also have to add AFM which takes years to do.

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Originally posted by JianFan:
Good news guys.
I've contact Lock on term. They tell me they will add China to Lock on v1.2
and add Chinese J-11 as well!!

Am I the only person here that thinks your a troll?

Thanks, but I am sure that I am not the only one think you are a bastard.

Guys please keep this thread at a civilized level. Jian, could you please post the message ED gave to you because I seriously doubt the J-11 is going to be a flyable in the 1.2 release. There are several reasons such as remodel cockpit, aircraft model, flight dynamics. Unless ED plans on using the same su-27 model and cockpit and put a Chinese skin on it and call it a J-11. That would be no different than what we already have now. ED adding a china side in the next release could be plausible but I don’t think china will have a lot of planes. I don’t think ED plans on making some new models such as J-7,8..etc for AI due to lack of time. The only planes they are going to use should be the ones already modeled in the game, which is the Su-30 and Su-27. I’m sorry but don’t get your hopes up to see an awesome china fighter game for a while unless China decides to make one of their own.

You don't believe me?
Ask Andrey in Lock on term by yourself.
I've give them a lot of information.

By the way I'm sorry I lost my temper. I'm a very strong Communist, Patriotist and Nationalist. I hate somebody make fun these kind of things.

J-11A is Su-27 with R-77.
It is easy for them.
That why they decide to do it.

yea i really hope its true, is the J-11A cockpit the same as the Su-27? If it is, then it could easily be added. But i thought the J-11 had a couple MFDs in their cockpit.

The J-11 which has 2 MFD is J-11C

Yea i just checked the J-11A cockpit, it looks the same as the Su-27. I guess it could be added, but there's not really any changes. Since we both have the chinese skin, it will just be like that but the ability to fire R-77. I hope they could at least redo the outside model, the one in the game is pretty ugly. Does the J-11A have a refueling boom like the Su-33. And btw, what version of Lock On are you running?

I'm sorry to dispoint you. I just get the E-mail from Andrey, the Chinese Airforce will be in the game on time, but J-11 will come up later. Because they have to redo the weaponary such as PL-12 missiles.
But they will do Su-27SK(the Su-27 which China is using).

And if luckly, I will be in the log book as the Chinese pilot. Ha! Ha!! Ha!!! Ha!!!!

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but J-11 will come up later. Because they have to redo the weaponary such as PL-12 missiles.
But they will do Su-27SK(the Su-27 which China is using).

aww, that is some bad news. But if its not in the next relese, then ED is not going to make it at all. After the 1.2 Black Shark release, it will be the end of the Lock On series. Unless they plan to upgrade the Su-27 to the J-11 through a patch. Because they will move onto a new game called tank killers and later an F-16 game.

What?! They didn't tell me that!!
This the E-mail I send to Director of ED.

Hello:
>љљљљљљљ My name is Jian_Hong Fan, but you can call my Russian name:
Vladimir.
> I'm from China. I love your Lock on game. And I love Russia, because
Russia
> gave out country a lot of help in Soviet age.
> Even now, we are still Strategy Cooperation Patnership. So I hope some day
> your company can make some Chinese fighter aircraft flyable. I have some
> information about Chinese J-10, include the cockpit. if you decide to do
it,
> E-mail me, let me in. I'll do whatever it takes to get enough information
> for you.
>љљљљљљљ I can't wait for your E-mail back.


Then, This is E-mail the send back.

Dear Vladimir!

Thanks a lot for your proposal. We are going to make Taiwan scenario soon
and then Chinese
J-10 will be very welcome. But all the data of J-10 must be official, not
stolen.

Do you know any Chinese development group, who could be interested to
participate in the project as co-developer?


Best regards,

Igor Tishin, Director of Eagle Dynamics.

Then, I send this E-mail to him.

Thank you for your E-mail back.
> You are the director, oh, it is my honor to meet you.
> You tell me you are going to make Taiwan in Lock on? Why? Taiwan is not
> friend of Russia.
> In the Lock on, the game story is: Russia try to make Soviet Reunion, do
you
> mean you are going to make Lock on 2, which the story is China reunion?
> Great idea!
>
> But I'm sorry that I don't know any develpoment group. Because as you know
> Chinese is socialist country, only government could have those kind of
> thing. There's only 1 place you can find out:
>
> PLAAF 44th Air Division, Kunming base and Yunnan base.
> That is the only place have real J-10.
>
> And I have some datas here:
>
> J-10 MULTIROLE FIGHTER AIRCRAFT
>
> The Jian-10 (J-10) is the multirole fighter aircraft developed by 611
> Aircraft Design Institute (Chengdu) and built by Chengdu Aircraft Industry
> Corporation (CAC). Development of the J-10 began in 1984 and the first
> low-rate initial production variant was delivered to the PLA Air Force
> (PLAAF) in 2002. Around 300 aircraft are expected to be built. The J-10 is
> available in two variants: the single seat fighter J-10A and the two-seat
> fighter-trainer J-10B.
>
> PROGRAMME
>
> The J-10 fighter was developed in the early 1980s as a counter to the
Soviet
> Union’s emerging fourth-generation fighters such as the MiG-29 Fulcrum and
> Su-27 Flanker. The original requirement was air superiority, but the
> break-up of the Soviet Union and changing requirements shifted development
> towards a high-performance multirole fighter aircraft to replace the
ageing
> J-6s and J-7s that are the backbone of China’s air force. The J-10 is
based
> on the Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI)’s Lavi fighter. After the Lavi
> programme was cancelled in 1987, its design was taken over by CAC, and IAI
> carried on with the development of avionic equipment.
>
> The PLAAF originally planned to fit the J-10 fighter with Western-made
> turbofan engine and fire-control radar. Following the event in June 1989,
> the U.S. and other Western countries imposed an arms ban on China, which
> almost traumatised the J-10’s development. However, the end of the Cold
War
> enabled China to seek advanced aviation and defence technologies from its
> new alley Russia, who agreed to provide the AL-31F turbofan engine to
power
> the J-10. As a result, the rear portion of the J-10’s airframe had to be
> re-designed to fit the Russian powerplant, and this has caused further
> delays in the aircraft’s development.
>
> The J-10 first flew in 1998, but the aircraft suffered serious problems
with
> the fly-by-wire (FBW) software, which resulted in the loss of the No.2
> prototype and its pilot in 1999. After some re-design work, the revised
J-10
> successfully flew in 1998. By 2000 a total of six prototypes (1001~1006)
had
> been built. Three more prototypes (1007~1009) were built between 2000 and
> 2002. The low-rate initial production of the J-10 was authorised in 2002,
> and the first batch is expected to include about fifty aircraft fitted
with
> Russian AL-31F engines. The two-seat J-10B fighter-trainer aircraft
> successfully flew in 2003.
>
> The J-10 is expected to achieve initial operating capability by 2005~2006,
> and the first operational regiment of the J-10 is reported to be the PLAAF
> 44th Aviation Division based in Sichuan Province. The PLAAF was estimated
to
> have a total requirement of 300 aircraft, but this may be reduced to less
> than 100 as a result of the introduction of the more capable Su-30MK
> multirole fighter. The CAC is also trying to replace the Russian AL-31F
with
> the indigenously developed WS-10A, which is said to be a Chinese copy of
the
> AL-31FN. The J-10 may become available for export market in 2005~2006.
>
> DESIGN
>
> The single-engine J-10 fighter is similar in size to the Lockheed Martin
> F-16, with a rectangle belly air intake, low-mounted delta wings and a
pair
> of from canard wings. The design is aerodynamically unstable, to provide a
> high level of agility, low drag and enhanced lift. The pilot controls the
> aircraft through a computerised digital fly-by-wire (FBW) system, which
> provides artificial stabilisation and gust elevation to give good control
> characteristics throughout the flight envelope. The J-10 is also the first
> Chinese-made fighter to be fitted with a large two-piece bubble canopy to
> give the pilot a better view in close air combat.
>
> COCKPIT
>
> The J-10's cockpit is fitted with three flat-panel liquid crystal
> multifunction displays (MFDs), including one colour MFD, wide
field-of-view
> head-up display (HUD), and possibly helmet-mounted sight (HMS). It is not
> know whether the HMS is the basic Ukrainian Arsenel HMS copied by China's
> Luoyang Avionics, or a new helmet display featured briefly at the 2000
> Zhuhai air show.
>
> The pilot manipulates the J-10 by the Iron Bird quadruple (four channels)
> digital fly-by-wire (FBW) system. The pilot is also aided by advanced
> autopilot and air data computer.
>
> RADAR
>
> The J-10 is reported to be fitted with an indigenous KLJ-3 pulse-Doppler
> fire-control radar developed by Nanjing Research Institute of Electronic
> Technology (also known as 14th Institute). The KLJ-3 radar, which might be
> based on early variant AN/APG-66/68 technology, is said to have a maximum
> detecting range of 100~130km (attacking range 80~90km), and is capable of
> engaging two targets simultaneously. The radar system was tested on a Y-7
> aerial radar testbed before being fitted on the J-10.
>
> Russian company Phazotron is prompting its Zhuk-10PD, a version of the
> system in later Su-27s, with 160km search range and ability to track up to
> six targets. Israel has also offered its Elta EL/M-2035 radar for
> competition.
>
> For low-level navigation and precision strike, a forward-looking infrared
> and laser designation pod is likely to be carried F-16-style on an inlet
> stores station. A Chinese designed pod similar to the Israeli Rafael
> Litening was revealed at the 1998 Zhuhai air show.
>
> POWERPLANT
>
> The initial low-rate production J-10s are powered by the 27,500lb-thrust
> (120kN) Russian Lyulka-Saturn AL-31F turbofan rated at 17,857 lb (79.43
kN)
> dry and 27,557 lb st (122.58 kN) with afterburning. The same powerplant is
> also being used by Chinese air force's Su-27s and Su-30s. Lyulka-Saturn
> reportedly delivered 54 AL-31F turbofan engines to China between 2002 and
> 2004. These are the AL-31FN model with special modifications to be fitted
in
> the J-10.
>
> China is also developing its own WS-10A turbofan powerplant, and it could
be
> fitted on the later versions of the J-10. An all-aspect vectored-thrust
> version of the AL-31F was revealed for the first time at Zhuhai Air Show
> 1998, leading to speculation that this advanced engine may wind up on the
> J-10, potentially conferring phenomenal manoeuvrability.
>
> WEAPONS
>
> The fixed weapon on the J-10 is a 23mm internal cannon. The aircraft also
> has 11 stores stations - six under the wing and five under the fuselage.
The
> inner wing and centre fuselage stations are plumped to carry external fuel
> tanks. Fixed weapon is a 23-mm inner cannon hidden inside fuselage.
>
> In addition to the PL-8 short-range infrared-guided air-to-air missile
> reportedly derived from Israeli Rafael Python-3 technology, the J-10 could
> also carry Russian Vympel R-73 (AA-11) short-range and R-77 (AA-12)
> medium-range missiles equipped by Chinese Flankers. It may also be fitted
> with indigenously developed PL-11 or PL-12 medium-range AAM for BVR
combat.
>
> For ground attack missions, the J-10 will carry laser-guided bombs, YJ-8K
> anti-ship missile, as well as various unguided bombs and rockets. Some
> missiles currently under development such as the YJ-9 ramjet-powered
> anti-radiation missile may also be carried by the J-10.
>
> By the way, can I have your personal phone Number? Thanks.
>

Then, he give me this E-mail:

Hello Vladimir!

Thanks a lot for the interesting information.

We are looking forÑ™ Taiwan scenario as a possible conflict of
China with US because the Taiwan. Of course Taiwan is not a friend of Russia
in suchÑ™ game scenario.

What is your experience in aviation and flight simulation? What is you
profession and job?
Do you think it might be any Chinese government institute interested in
making virtual model of J10?

My phone number in office is xxxxxxx

Best regards,

Igor Tishin

The most interesting thing is Andrey said he never heard of the new game:

Hello Jian,

Many thanks for help.
I hope we'll insert China in the next add-on.

About scenario for new game I can't say anything. I haven't any information
about it. Sorry.

Would you help to us again if we'll need some additional information about
China ranks and awards?

Best regards
Andrey Chizh
ED

Well if they do plan to make a game that involves China and Taiwan, it will be a while until we see that. The reason is because that will take place in the near future or modern times, and right now, Lock On is based during the 1980's (the cold war era). That is why some modern planes are not in it and can't be modeled because of the lack of information, such as the F-22, B-2, Ef-2000...etc. This is the same case for the J-10, since that plane is pretty new, some information of how the MFD or avionics work is still classified. That is why we won't see that plane in any game for a while. I know for sure they can't add the China map because it takes years to model that. I believe the only thing we are going to see in the next addon is probably a china side, that's all they can do for now. And the forum over at LockOn.ru said ED will move onto a next project after the release of the next addon.

O btw, the information you gave them, it will take a lot more data to allow them to build a model. The information you gave are made public and is just descriptions of some useages, i think they need actual data such as the turn radius of a plane, how it would react in certain condition...etc. Btw, what is your job and age?