Lock On is an awesome game but the things that are getting boring are not enough planes. I suggest ubisoft brings with the next path at least the F-14,F-18,F-117,some Su's and MiG's,
F-16,and an A-6. Also the F-22 but i think it is hard to make that. If there is trouble with planes that have 2 seats it would be cool that the navigator can drop tv-guided missles and other bombs. This option should be used also online,then a real player has to shoot. If there is only 1 guy in a 2 seated plane,the navigator is replaced by a computer who takes the job over. The pilot should be able to give the order to the navigator if he has to engage or not.
Please tell me what you think of this idea.thx for reading

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I suggest ubisoft brings with the next path at least the F-14,F-18,F-117,some Su's and MiG's,

If takes more than a patch to include that. Ubisoft is not the devs of Lock On, they are the publisher that no longer has anything to do with Lock On. The real forum is over at www.lockon.ru

If you do a search, the F-14, F-18, F-117, and F-16, and especially the F-22 are all out of Lock On's reach for now. Main reason: they are western planes, ED (the original devs) are a russian company thus they would lean towards their planes which i prefer. The Sukhoi and the Mig can be modeled depending on what series. THe second main reason: classified information, all the planes you listed are still classified in some areas- such as avionics. Most the the F-16 is opened so that is a possibility but not on Lock On's engine because it doesnt have a proper working MFD. It was mentioned that would be ED's future plan. As for the rest of the plane, that's a big no. Even the F-14 is still classified and its going out of service. So that kicks the F-22 30-50 years down the line until u see a proper working F-22 that's realistic. The 2 seat idea would work for multiplayer but not really for single player even with AI. Although you can do it, it won't really be realistic mainly due to FOV. 2 pilots mean 4 eyes= better awareness. On the side note: it takes about 6 months to model a correct plane in lock On, so to model all the planes you mentioned would take years.

First of all i didn't know that it isn't ubisoft that has to bring out the patches. But it can still be done,mayby they should make a freee expansion pack that can be downloaded. The thing you say about the F-22 is wrong. There are enough games that got the F-22. Classified info may be right but i believe i even know enough to make one,the only thing i need is someone to make it. The same for the
F-14,if you are really interested in planes you know how to make them in games. Mayby some of them will not be perfect but people will notice it and send it to fix it. About the 2 seated plane,it shouldn't be hard to make cos even battlefield 2 has 2-seated planes. You just give the let the navigator look like the pilot looks with the same control,mayby even just move with the mouse. The F-16,18 are non-flyable but they could make it flyable if they want to. And as i said if they like the soviet planes then they put in some MiG's(31,25,etc)and some Su's. For 2-seated planes we normaly got a sulution. In single player the AI wil say you where the enemy is like your wingman does. But i don't say lock on is a bad game,far from. It's a nice game but this is what bothers me.

You missed out on all the main points i pointed out. I'm just saying these planes will not show up to Lock On anytime soon because it just takes way too long to model one plane (6 months) And no they are not going to make a free expansion pack because they would be giving away their code that they worked hard on. And the thing i said about the F-22 is right, there are NOT enough info on it. Believe me, you don't know enough to make one, unless you just work for Lockheed. If you do, then please provide those manuals. And once you release those manuals, you would be arrested for releaseing classified info. There are games with the F-22 but its ****. We want realism, not arcade games. This is the same thing applied to the F-14, you "could" make it but then downgrade your realism. You pointed out Battlefield 2 which is mostly an arcade game, not a sim. Again, there's the issue of FOV (which i mentioned above). Again, like previous stated...the F-18 will be a huge factor to model because you also have to model aircraft carriers, not to mentioned the classified information! THe game engine doesn't even have an AG radar yet so that's a big NO until they come out with a new engine or addon. Futhermore, these are mostly western planes that they wont be interested in. A new game called Fighter Ops will be more to your liking that would be due by the end of this year or the next.

First of all,i meant BF2 for the mode as a navigator. About that classified info,that is just bull****,you make a cockpit by using a picture of a real one. Then you start making the model(witch will never take 6 months at the first place)and then you make the missles you arm on them witch come out of the sides(loaded in the plane)and then you should watch movies of them to see how smooth and easy they turn. You ahve some right points that there is a lot of classified info on it but there is enough info to make a sim of it. OK,mayby the sim will not be close to real cos that is inpossible but you'll have a sim that works the same as the
F-15. The thing you say about the F-18 isn't right cos the model is there,you onlt have to correct it a bit to make a better one for flyable version. By the way the,there is enough info on the F-14,believe me i can find enough to make one. About fighter ops,I think it's going to be an awesome game with very nice grafics but i am afraid of the possibilities like refueling,carrier landings,etc. Tell me if you know more about this

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About that classified info,that is just bull****,you make a cockpit by using a picture of a real one. Then you start making the model(witch will never take 6 months at the first place)and then you make the missles you arm on them witch come out of the sides(loaded in the plane)and then you should watch movies of them to see how smooth and easy they turn.

*sigh* you are still missing out on the main point. Anyone can simply make the cockpit "look-like" the real thing, but its the avionics that is still classified. You can't even predict the F-22's performance, last i heard the max height it can achieve remains classified. So trust me, it does indeed take 6 months to build it because of advance flight model. Btw, the F-15 in Lock On is also unrealistc. the way the air intakes moves, avonics, and how it performs is not close to the real thing- that is why a lot of people complained about it and this is why ED is now setting a standard of all future projects with AFM. The thing i said about the F-18 is right, although the model is there (same with the F-14, F-16 and all the other planes) you still have to make a cockpit and everything that associates with it like carrier, tankers...etc. Again, it can't be modeled due to classified info and the limitation of the game engine- AG RADAR! Fighter Ops will have everything lock On offers plus Falcon 4.0...etc. I can say it will probably be the best thing to come to flight sims.

And seriously, there's actually no point in making this thread. We can debate this all day- I'm simply stating it can't be done right now. Even if it can be done, it won't happen because none of the devs even look in the ubi forum's wish list.