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It will be great to have an addon which will make the su34 flyable with real cockpit and weapons, and which will add the su47 berkut to this game.
 
Posts: 4 | Registered: Sun March 05 2006Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Su-34 = 2 seats = can't be done
Su-47 = still a prototype = not enough info


 
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su-34 has 2 seats, but he can't be operated by only 1 player ?
su-47 was a prototype, now it isn't. It will be nice to fly this aircraft in lock-on, even without weapons.
 
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It "could" be operated by 1 player if a game lets it to but it will downgrade the realism so we don't want that. Plus it has AG radar which also isn’t supported. Do a search about 2 seaters and AG radar and you will find out why it is not modeled.

As for the Su-47, regardless whether it’s a prototype or not, its still a fairly new aircraft and hence not enough info to model it accurately. It would be "nice" to fly it in lock on without weapons but it will have no function in the game, thus, it is useless. Do a search about why the F-22 is not in the game, it has a similar concept of new classified aircraft. If you want to fly the Su-47, there is an add-on from Alpha for MS2004.


 
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OK I understand, and if Su-34 is operated by 2 players, you will be unable to fly it alone Frown
And Su-37 or mig 1.44 can be done ?
I've heard that Su-33 can lock 2 targets simultaneously... is it possible in lock-on ? how do you do this ?
 
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One of the main reason duel seats is not modeled bbecause it sort of degrades the realism plus the engine does not support it. For example, in a single player how would a person control both seat at the same time unless the other seat is done through multiplayer or AI. Even so, there's also an issue about field of vision. Since 2 pilots means 4 eyes, that gives them better awareness. In a single player mode, one cannot achieve this awareness.

As for the Su-37 and Mig 1.44, no it can't be done as of now because both planes have MFD and NAV radar and such which is not fully supported (maybe in future addons such as Black Shark will open this door). There's also a whole mess of classified information considering both these aircafts are prototype and probably won't enter service so they will have no function in a dogfighting game. I remember reading Russia will not be buying an Su-37 anytime soon because the same performance can be achieved in one of the Su-30 varients or the Su-35 with thrust vector.

As for the Su-33 locking 2 targets at the time, i don't think it can be done, I'm not sure. I just know i have to keep my radar locked on my target until my missile reaches him.


 
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Ok, thanks for answering my questions.
 
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Locking two targets at once? I think the F-15, MiG-29 and Su-27 in Lock-On can already do that via track-while scan mode. The F-15C (MSIP)'s APG-70 can track and fire missiles at four targets at once, for certain.


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was the Su-34 called the Platypus? and what is its role anyway? fighter/bomber?


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Not sure about the Platypus name, but the NATO reporting name of the Su-34 is "Fullback". Is it a fighter or bomber? Yes. Wink It is both, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be used as a primary air superiority weapon. I like to think of it as the Russian answer to the Mud Hen.

On the Su-47 subject...it was NEVER a prototype...it was just a technology demonstrator. Wink


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On the side note: the Su-34 was suppose to replace the Su-33.


 
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Are you sure? I know there was/is an Su-34 variant meant to operate from carriers as a combat-capable trainer, but was it supposed to take over the Su-33's carrier air defence role?


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that's what i heard from discovery wings, they could be wrong.


 
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The Su-34 is intended to replace the Su-24 Fencer in the strike role with the Russian Air Force. I believe there are currently something like 8 on order, and the intention is to completely replace by the Fencer by around 2015. However, given the dreadful state of the Russian defence budget at the moment, it is open to question whether the Su-34 will ever enter service in significant numbers.
 
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AznKamiKazeKid wrote Su-34 = 2 seats = can't be done.

Two words... Jane's F-15

Seriously, I agree... I think the SU-34 would be a fun add on to the game. The two seat mode could add a dynamic to the game.
 
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This is not jane's F-15. Entirely different game engine. Also adding in a duel seats is borderline unrealistic. First how could one player control both the back and the front at the same time unless it was done through multiplayer or advance AI. Jane's accomplished this by switching seats when is still unrealistic. The biggest factor is the field of vision. 2 seats mean 2 pilots= 4 eyes, therefore greater awareness. 1 single player cannot achieve this especially in a sim. This has been covered several times.


 
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I believe f-16 , f-15, and a-10 there are more but im trying to avoid writing an essay. they have two seaters for training or for certain missions because of the pilot's situational awareness or there not good enough to fly alone. they took it out in this game because you dont need a second person to help you fly. two seaters would be nice for coop play thou just switch every mission.
 
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The A-10 only had 1 two-seater built, and it was just a prototype. When the pilot straps into a hog for his first flight in it...its sink or swim, he's the only one in the plane. Wink


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