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Well I have to say about the Corsair PSU I am impressed.
It showed up on time and could see how large the package even though still in the newegg khaki covering. Though still inside the delivery package, I could feel how heavy it was as I tried to heft it up and work it to my PC room. Once there I couldn't help myself just having to whip it out to see it, so I zipped down the front tape and had to struggle to get it out such a tight fit yet finally worked it down to the fancy tight corsair packaging in the Newegg khaki box. Pretty fancy, yet then it was clear from the size of that package this PSU was going to be huge. Once I worked it out I have to admit I was a little shocked....I mean I expected it to be long, much longer then any PSU I have used before, even those I stuck with, yet not as thick or wide as it was and I have to admit that concerned me. Just holding it looking it over I can tell this is a fine piece of equipment and I'm betting it will last a long, long time. Probably much longer then I'll be able to make use of it......and then it struck me.... Though my case is older, so probably bigger then newer ones, I never the less to be frank am a little afraid to try and get this PSU in there, as it looks much, much bigger then any that has ever been in my server box before. I'm thinking when I try, it's going to take quite a bit of pushing and shoving, a little shimmey here, and wiggle there, yet after doing a bit of measuring and really no matter what it takes as I really want it, I'm going to get this big bad boy in there. Though I'd prefer to mount this PSU with my case standing up, I'm thinking to do this right because it is so big and heavy I'll need to lay it down, yet that's okay as it should make it easier for me to get inside and once in it's staying. Now it did come with a fancy bag that the cables were in, yet since this isn't some old PSU that has been used before I don't think I'll need that so will just toss it aside as I plan on making use of every bit of it. More so, I don't think I'm going to use any other protection for surge and the like as it's supposed to be certified to be safe though still debating that. Yet after hearing a few tales as to how it should perform, I'm really looking forward to all the juice this thing should be able to spit out, really much more then my system can handle and if the specs are right it should do so time and again, even when things get really hot it's supposed to just keep on going......and frankly I'm going to be a little nervous when I first power it up as to whether my system can handle it. My guess is this new PSU is going to fulfill all my needs for a long time. Though its newer so experience with it by others is limited, and what I'll be using it for is older stuff, it sounds to me like a match made in heaven, and if it's not who cares, I'll use that big boy till it doesn't suit me any more then I'll toss it out with not so much as a thank you as after all I paid for it. Ah well, I'll let you know how it goes......I need a cigarette. K2    "Does this make my Hien look big? I love my Ha-40's & teh Swallow" |
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Keep the bag for the cables. You WILL have cables left over, and it's good to have the extras all in one place if/when you need them.
As for the size, except for the length, it's standard ATX. As long as you case is LONG enough, you shouldn't have all that much of a problem installing it. As heavy as it is, if you have a really tall case, and the PSU mounts at the top, then you might want to be careful about making sure it's stable. If your case gives you the option of mounting it at the top or the bottom, DEFINATELY mount it on the bottom. I think one reason that a lot of the newer cases have the PSU mounted on the bottom, is to make them less 'tippy', as well as for better PSU cooling. |
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Dang, you are old...... K2 "Does this make my Hien look big? I love my Ha-40's & teh Swallow" |
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 I almost cried.---------------------------------- Flying online as 453_Whittle E8400 @3.8, 9800gtx+ Phenom II X4 B50 @ 3.4  Uni-joint / hall effect sensor stick guide: http://www.jpfiles.com/hardware/uni_stick.pdf |
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+1 "I need a cigarette." And I need a cold shower!  B |
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Ya-know, I'm really excited about buying this I7-1156 socket system....
Yet as I've mentioned now there is a hang up with GPU's as Nvidia is cornered by ATI, in kind I'll have to go to Windows7 64 bit to make use of the ram, and then Win7 can't deal with my old EIDE HDD's (more so the ATA controller card to make use of them all), the 64bit won't fly with AutoCAD which I must have, and very possibly a whole bunch else that windows doesn't even recognize. All in all the new system which I now have the PSU for will run between $1,500-$2,000 once I get a good monitor for it.....Now I'd like to buy bits and pieces as my cash flows in vs. saving (long story about the money, basically my own set conditions to keep me from getting lazy)...Yet that won't fly in that if something I buy early doesn't work, I won't be able to RMA it as it will be out of date.....More so, It's looking like I'll have to wait till after the New Year for Nvidia to get their BS together...... So, scroll back to the first post..........For roughly >>>$169.00<<< I can by the following and be running NOW using all my old stuff and XP already installed! ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 LGA 775 VIA PT880 Pro/PT880 Ultra ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16813157115 Intel Pentium E5300 2.6GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16819116074 Crucial 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model CT2KIT12864AA667 http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16820146526 .....and add another $100-$140 on there I have a sound card (either the Xtreme gamer or Fata1ty)......add another rough $150 and an okay monitor....Yet both of these things options. SO since I'm stalled on the PC I want, I'm going to say skrew-it and get the lower end stuff now, then save up as I wait for Nvidia to get off the pot, then purchase all the stuff I want and by then it may even be cheaper......Then use this old/updated system for my AutoCAD and as a rig to remotely work on the higher end system if need be or to support it with outdated "stuff"..... For roughly $169 I'll have a rig better then what I have, and won't have problems dealing with my old soft/hardware later (which I must now wait for anyway). ALways my problem, I second guess myself.....Yet the above IS the way to go.... K2 "Does this make my Hien look big? I love my Ha-40's & teh Swallow" |
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AFAIK autocad should still run in win7, if not get win 7 pro and run autocad in the XP Mode (not compatibility, this is different) which is a complete copy of XP running virtualized on the machine. As for the EIDE controller cards, are you SURE these won't run in win7? There are many legacy devices like that that windows has native driver for and will recognize right off. Way way to test to be sure is download the windows 7 RC and install in on another partition, that way you can test it all out. If autocad runs in XP Mode and your EIDE controller cards work, then the vidcard is the only hurdle, and that's easy, get a cheap GTS250 or even a 9800GTX and that will be plenty for now and cheap enough that it won't be a waste when NV finally gets their act together.
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As to AutoCAD it's not a Win7 issue yet 64bit vs. 32....Supposed fixes don't work, and I don't want to upgrade it to the latest version (which the guys here aren't using ACAD much anymore anywho.
K2 "Does this make my Hien look big? I love my Ha-40's & teh Swallow" |
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There is another 'solution' to your XP vs Win 7 and 32 vs 64 bit issue.
It's called HyperOS. HyperOS allows you to have multiple, independent, installs (up to 24) of every MS OS since Win 2000. I currently have installs of XP, Vista 32 bit, Vista 64 bit, and Win 7 32 bit, and Win 7 64 bit. You could install XP for use with your Autocad, make another Win 7 install JUST for IL2 1946, another install for web surfing, etc, etc. With HOS, you can have your cake and eat it too I'm not the only one here that uses it. I know that FabianFred uses it too. More info on it here: http://www.hyperossystems.co.uk/ I know that you aren't pleased with your experience with ATI cards, but if I remember right you had one of the X2xxx ones, right? If that's the case, you had the bad luck to own the ATI equivilent to the nVidia FX5xxx cards. If a person's only experience with nVidia had been an FX5200, they would say the same thing about nVidia that you are saying about ATI. I'm not pushing ATI. I'm just saying that to base everything about either ATI or nVidia on the experience with just one (expecially if that one is the worst example in their history) is unfair to both of them. As for your EIDE drives, you should really, REALLY consider replacing them. They have to be getting old by now and I'd worry about them failing. HDDs are cheaper now than ever before, and that's at sizes that would probably hold all the info on all of your EIDEs on one SATA drive. I'd recommend that you get a 1TB SATA, or two, and use the EIDE on your new MB to copy over the the SATA and then retire them. Look at this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16822148433 I mean, just how much cheaper can an HDD get? |
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Hi LEBillfish,
You may have to get a new hd anyway. When I put my new system together I wanted to use the hd from my old system (Pentium 4). Unfortunately the old drive was not compatible with the new motherboard so I ended up getting a new one. I, or rather the computer shop, was able to transfer everything over to the new drive, saving me a ton of headaches. Good hunting, Sillius_Sodus |
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Well thanks for the input all, and it all noted....However, I didn't plan on getting the full package of 7 (and need to read up more as there was an aspect to installing multiple boots as to 32 & 64 bit, it not letting you via their confirmation system).....WHich is not so much an issue in that I could still use Xp for the 32 it already set up..In kind I don't really want to pay a high amount for software just to let me have multiple boots.
Most of all however, I don't see spending for a half hearted GPU just to throw it out the same amount as the stuff I mentioned above which essentially gives me a second PC as backup......Add to that to get the high end stuff is not going to happen fast due to my conditions and I've not been able to fly for some months now due to that so don't want to wait more. So it boils down to.....Wait, hedge (like the low end GPU) to have to replace & throw out later, and spend just as much gaining 1 PC.....Or have it now, and for very little over and above end up with 2 PC's. K2 "Does this make my Hien look big? I love my Ha-40's & teh Swallow" |
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Hi.I think your choice for the cheap upgrade is a good one,My system is a Intel E6600 chip at 2.4 MHz,Mother board is a Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2 with 2 gigs of PC3200 Ram,and 2 Sata drives+2older hard drives and a msi 8800GT card.on XP.and a 450 watt PSU.
Black Death Full settings 50fps average,I used to upgrade once a year,but this system is keeping me happy. By the way did you get your new Graphics card working. |
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Thanks for the tip Lemky......Yet today it became more involved.....
Okie dokie....So I'm not even trying to fly the sim any longer and have 3 browser windows open, PhotoDeluxeBE1.1 (photoshop v1), and suddenly the PC freezes (which it has been getting worse)....Yet for the very first time in 6 months since getting the ATI card, I get an error message.... "ati2dvag device drive stuck in infinite loop-indicates error with device, or driver programming the hardware incorrectly stop: 0x000000EA (0x89317808, 0x8852FF60, 0xf78b6cb4, 0x00000001)" So I do a search....Well it seems many folks have this problem, enough that there are countless threads on it. So, I try the fixes. Trouble is they either do nothing or make it so IL2 won't work. It seems this long running problem with ATI cards has been around a while, and no one, be it ATI, Microsoft, or users have a fix......SO I reinstall the drivers again taking lots of time to clean everything out....Back to square 1, same issue. Okay, card maybe....Try and RMA the card...Newp...They (Powercolor) wants money to just take the form this after blowing me off for months. So, basically, the new card I have is cr*p, or perhaps it is the ATI software (as I've tried like 8 revisions of the CCC), and it turns out it is probably cooking my CPU........BUT........If it is the card then my quick fix won't work as the intent was to use this card thinking it was the rest of the PC. Okay, back to the new/old plan, long term....and while I'm at it check on that new EVGA Nvidia card that came out......Welp, the card is "ehh" most folks slamming it...and...It comes at a whopping $350 price tag, for a medium level card.....Yet naturally the New ATI series wastes even the best Nvidia card now for the same price as this medium level.......YET......I'm really put off at ATI at this point so consider the new Nvidia offering... Uhhhhhhhhh....Wait a second....The new card which is nothing like the newer cards coming out requires a 680w PSU with 46amps minimum on the 12v rail........Kewl.....I just bought this brand spanking new 1,000w Corsair PSU....I'm good to go having bought the biggest and baddest.... NOPE!..........Seems this brand new PSU splits the 12v to 2 rails.....Each rail having......40amps. Think I'm getting tired of this GPU BS? K2 "Does this make my Hien look big? I love my Ha-40's & teh Swallow" |
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Mercy....a thousand watt name brand power supply can't supply enough amps for one video card...geeeeez...who would of thunk it...Not me...sorry you got bit...blame ATI for not making it well known in Big Print on the box, that the vast majority of PSU's won't work with their card..."46 AMP Minimum Available on 12v Rail"...would have been a heads up for all....or at least a list of useable PSU's that will work with it....Hang in there and keep swinging...
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If by new nvidia card you mean that CO-OP card with the GTX 275 AND a GTS250 in it then leave that thing alone, it's an abomination and will only be bought by people who don't know better. It's a GTX 275 for graphics, and has a GTS 250 built in for dedicated Physx support. Since no game really needs Physx and even those that use it need no more than a 9600 (if that, physx can be run on the same GPU that does the graphics with minimal impact so dedicated physx gpu's are bragging rights only), it's a complete waste of money. It's a marketing ploy and meant to distract from the fact they are having trouble with the GT300 chips.
I completely understand your reluctance with ATI after this bad experience, but as RAF_OldBuzzard says, the 2000 series ATI cards really were ATI's FX5200. The 3xxx series was a little better but not much, the 4xxx series finally got it right, and the new 5xxx series is absolutely incredible! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flying online as NORAD_Shinjiro |
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There are games that make really good use of PhysX but i agrea with Urufu that that new Dual GPU card from nVidia is not worth it, not enough games run PhysX and for games with out it the card is way to much money.
Your much better of fitting 2 identical Geforce cards in an SLI MoBo and run SLI and PhysX and it probably will cost you even less money. And nVidia might (rumor) release the GT300 cards 3 months earlier, that just before Christmas this year instead of the end of March. So maybe its worth the wait. AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Black Edition, Foxconn nForce 590 SLI, 4x OCZ 2048MB EPP DDR2-800, 2x Club3D GeForce 8800GT 512MB, Be-Quiet 700 Watt Straight Power, Windows Vista Home Premium 64 bit |
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Actually the 3xxx cards were pretty good. The only 'problem' was that ATI had problems in getting it 'right', and buy the time they got it released, the 4xxx series was well on the way, and was released very soon after the 3xxx series, effectievely 'killing' them. LEBillfish Don't worry about not having enough PSU. The 1000HX will power any video card(s) that you can put in your system. For example "Zardon" at Driverheaven tested a system some time ago with the following specs:
In the discussion of that review he stated:
As for your GPU choice, there would be a third option. You could go with an SLI or Crossfire board, buy a MID RANGE card and then SLI or Crossfire it at a later date if you really need the extra graphics power. The current mid range cards have more than enough power to run IL2 1946 at just about any settings you want. |
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Thanks for the tips guys, and have a minimal update....
Having had enough of this GPU, and more then a little hacked off I wrote an email to Powercolor (have to use our guy's name who the card was bought under, so maybe that helps) yet basically refused to pay to RMA it, so they said send it back and they'd "fix it".....  ....WHich could mean screw it up more, but more likely will send me another.Anywho, now I need a card instantly...and since I'm at it time to throw in the PSU....PSU went in great, works fine though seemed to confuse the MB (maybe dead battery?), yet no biggie, and for giggles I tossed in my old PCI Voodoo2, and Voodoo5. Both work, after all these years in fact my screens look sharp and colors great...That at 8 & 32Mb on the cards......In fact, even IL2 looks way, way better then with the HD2600XT AGP. Now don't get me wrong, anything really graphic intensive stutters, IL2 would be unplayable, but AutoCAD works great, web a tad bumpy/slow. Yet isn't it odd how these 10-15 year old cards start right up and look so much better....There's a lesson in there for the GPU makers. K2 Edit: For grins, I plugged in the Voodoo5 (think it's 32Mb) and tried to fly IL2.......In the program alone it was freeze frame, and once flying I was getting maybe .25 FPS......Yet after 45 minutes taking screen shots, not a burp, a hiccup, a freeze, or crash and the temps in the PC at its hottest point (oddly not the card but CPU) was a whopping 108F/42C. Oh yeah....that 512Mb ATI card was junk. K2 This message has been edited. Last edited by: LEBillfish, "Does this make my Hien look big? I love my Ha-40's & teh Swallow" |
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Voodoo2 cards were great in their day, EF2000 and Janes' flight sim series looked absolutely amazing with it. In some ways better than the stuff today, and with a LOT less futzing...
Good hunting, Sillius_Sodus |
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