quote:

Originally posted by Miki40:
Dear friends stop wasting your time. Over the years I have tried everything to get rid of the stutters. I play the game and follow the development since before the release of the original Il2. When the game first came out was full of stutters, several patches have addressed the issues and by the time when version 3.02 has been reached all was OK. Unfortunately further add-on`s and various other patches have reintroduced the stutters. I do not think they can be completely removed now. The code just got too big and too complicated!
At present on my 7800GTX-512MB, 1GB and FX53 I run the game in perfect mode with 4xAA and 16X Anisto. and hit 100 FPS on the ground, in cockpit, unfortunately in flight still get now and again stutters!
Over the years I have spend a fortune to make this game work: various GPU`s, MOBO`s and RAM, also have experimented with various settings in the game: IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE!!!
Some of you are blaming Nvidia, I understand your frustration, but... I have reached the conclusion that is NOT THEIR FAULT and think that the blame should go somewhere else!

Best Regards to you ALL!

110% right!

quote:

Originally posted by fly_zo:

quote:

Originally posted by Miki40:
Dear friends stop wasting your time. Over the years I have tried everything to get rid of the stutters. I play the game and follow the development since before the release of the original Il2. When the game first came out was full of stutters, several patches have addressed the issues and by the time when version 3.02 has been reached all was OK. Unfortunately further add-on`s and various other patches have reintroduced the stutters. I do not think they can be completely removed now. The code just got too big and too complicated!
At present on my 7800GTX-512MB, 1GB and FX53 I run the game in perfect mode with 4xAA and 16X Anisto. and hit 100 FPS on the ground, in cockpit, unfortunately in flight still get now and again stutters!
Over the years I have spend a fortune to make this game work: various GPU`s, MOBO`s and RAM, also have experimented with various settings in the game: IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE!!!
Some of you are blaming Nvidia, I understand your frustration, but... I have reached the conclusion that is NOT THEIR FAULT and think that the blame should go somewhere else!

Best Regards to you ALL!

110% right!

Definetely I subscribe !!!!!



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I could try different other recent games with amazing performance, unfortunately Il2PF, -my favorite- is long far to achive analogous performances.....I'm forcing to try any but perfect mode when playing a serious off-line il2DCg campaign.

I just hope Maddox BoB will relay over a new engine....

JastaV

Thank you guys!

With the help of various chaps on the Community Help forum, I made FB work at what was to me acceptable graphics and frame rates (Medium graphics and 15 - 30 fps on Finland map) on a low-end rig i.e. Celeron 1.8 and Nvidia MX4000 128MB with 512MB RAM. The kids now have this rig and play SIMS and other similiar stuff quite happily on it.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I believe that as long as your game play, effectiveness in hitting targets and "safe" landings etc. are not affected by frame rates and stutters, play-on or find a better combat flight sim.

Good on Oleg.

Vince

quote:

Originally posted by vincemagda:
With the help of various chaps on the Community Help forum, I made FB work at what was to me acceptable graphics and frame rates (Medium graphics and 15 - 30 fps on Finland map) on a low-end rig i.e. Celeron 1.8 and Nvidia MX4000 128MB with 512MB RAM. The kids now have this rig and play SIMS and other similiar stuff quite happily on it.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I believe that as long as your game play, effectiveness in hitting targets and "safe" landings etc. are not affected by frame rates and stutters, play-on or find a better combat flight sim.

Good on Oleg.

Vince

Of course we can downgrade graphic setting to enhance game performance till an acceptable frame rates.......
Now the question is what's the reason of all developments to increase the higher graphic results -see for example PERFECT SETTING- when player cannot have any benefit when seriously playing it in a campaign.

May be Perfect Setting is only aimed to some denmostrative and promoting purposes !!!!!

Anyway as a player I'm interested to a graphic setting only if it's compatible with acceptable frame rates.

I have not benefit from a high, super detailed graphic when the drawbeck is a stuttering or a low frame rate...so to make things unplayable.


JastaV

quote:

Originally posted by JastaV:
Of course we can downgrade graphic setting to enhance game performance till an acceptable frame rates.......
Now the question is what's the reason of all developments to increase the higher graphic results -see for example PERFECT SETTING- when player cannot have any benefit when seriously playing it in a campaign.

May be Perfect Setting is only aimed to some denmostrative and promoting purposes !!!!!

Anyway as a player I'm interested to a graphic setting only if it's compatible with acceptable frame rates.

I have not benefit from a high, super detailed graphic when the drawbeck is a stuttering or a low frame rate...so to make things unplayable.
JastaV

I do not understand what your problem is JastaV.

It is a choice everyone needs to make personally:
CPU: Intel P4 3,4GHz HyperThreading or more
(Athlon64 are fantastic CPUs, too!) I find out that multithreading CPUs give smoother play, especially when you have other services running on the background.
RAM: 1GB or more
Graphics: NVIDIA 6600GT as minimum, NVIDIA 7800GTX Extreme (=495MHz clock rates) or more
(some people prefer the ATI cards. For me their are not an option (even is the 1900XTX has more power than the current NVIDIA models) as they are not able to show water graphics at water=3 or water=4. And that is a disadvantage for me)
Hard Disk: use only high speed, high throughput drives. And use a separate partition to put your IL2FB game (in order to avoid fragmantation)
System SW #1: use programs to disable all unnecessary services running in the background of your system (like FSAutostart).
Sound: use an Audigy2 or better sound card (non-accelareted sound cards eat your frame rates...)
TrackIR: you can not feel you are flying without it..
System SW #2: spend hours searching in the forums of the perfect settings for your conf.ini and your graphics card (thanks PFCoastie, Hunter82 and the numerous people who post their recommendations and test results here).
Joystick & throttle: Without HOTAS (Hands On Throttle And Stick) you can not feel you are flying.

The above are just to warm up.... but still add up to a couple of '000s investment.
Some (many) of us hard core flight-SIM players invest that money and we like it. I know people who invest double that.

I can play online with water=3 and a P4 HT 3,5GHz with 1,5Gb RAM, NV7800GTXextreme, Audigy2
and have 27-34fps.
But, I prefer flying online with water=0 and 50fps....because I am too lazy (for the time being) to pay EUR 2500,-- for a Athlon64X2 4400, SLI 2xNV7800GTX system.

Besides, in my old times (7years ago) playing Falcon3 & Falcon4, I was more than happy flying at 18fps....

Online gaming is much more demanding in terms of fps rates. Off line campaigns are much less perfomance demanding.

Anyway, my other option would be to pay USD 75000,-- and go for a 5 days MIG training in Russia (need to add EUR 7000 for the flight and EUR 1500 for hotel accomodation).

So, I am happy with the little money I spend on my PC....

It is all a question of choice -- and you have it!

~S~

PS. My PC! my kids do not touch it! They have their own....

I agree on two things, the kids do not touch my rig, that's why I passed mine on to them and it is a personal choice, depending on the $$$ available of course.

What I think that Oleg should really concentrate on is the constant improvement of the accuracy of his flight and damage models of which are already good. This is what I enjoy about a flight sim, fighter vs. fighter. To me as long as the graphics is clear and crisp and fps above a rate that does not irritate you.

My Rig:
Intel P4 3.4 GHz Hyper threading on a Gigabyte Intel chipset MOBO
1GB RAM
nVidia 256MB 6600TD with a 20" CRT monitor
HDD 80GB 7200RPM
MS Sidewinder stick
VSound 4.1 sound card
PSU 400W (30Amp)

I built the above for around the equivalent of USD 1333.00 (excl. monitor) and is rock solid.
Had my say, happy as it is, let's wait and see what Battle Of Britian has to offer.

Best to all
Vince

I've been trying for years to get Perfect mode to work with anything above Water=2. If I use 3 or 4 stutters. My system is NOT the issue... I check every few months to see if anything will help. Any news?

Thanks

Hi there

I'm using an Asus V9999 ^800GT and was having no problem with Il2/PF, smooth framerate with Perfect on.

Now I have problems - usually less then 20 frames per second,regardless if it is the cockpit view or external view. I'm using the latest drivers, tried a few different,older sets, but no joy.Any idea how to solve thiss issue?

My rig - AMD64 3000+, 1 GB RAM, 6800GT , 19 inch bBelinea 101920c, Seagate Barracuda 80Gb + Seagate SATA 200 GB Hds.


Thx for any help!

Maciej

The new beta 84.12 available from nvidia.com seem to work pretty nicely with PF I don't get micro pauses now, (macro ones are still there though but very occasional).

I'm also trying the new beta. In Perfect mode it does reduce the stutters but doesnt eliminate them, unfortunately I get white shadows under bridges. The aliasing is terrible. I have had to set my driver options to 8s and High Quality (thats a laugh)which doesnt cure the aliasing but does hit performance. Must try harder nvidia. I'm almost tempted to remove my new nvidia card and put my Radeon 9550 back in.

I'm still running the 71.89 driver, it's not the fastest, but it works properly. I've recently tried the 81.95 and the beta 82.12. The card ran 3C hotter, smoothed out a lot of the stutters, but gave tearing of some textures (the canopy and windscreen framing and the wing tips) when I panned my view using Track IR. And yes, I have vsync on because Track IR runs smoother with vsync on.

I noticed some of my vpin and vpmame pinball simulator tables had graphics errors with the newer drivers as well.

eVGA 6800 Ultra PCIe
AMD A-64 3500+
2 GB PC-3200 RAM
WD 80 GB HD with 8MB cache
Sound Blaster Audigy 2ZS

By the way, now that NVIDIA presented the 84.21 drivers (WHQL certified).

Page23 of the release notes http://download.nvidia.com/Windows/84.21/84.21_Forceware_Release_Notes.pdf mentions "GeForce 7800GTX - SLI mode: There is graphics corruption wehne playing IL2FB"

May it save some time for any of you, SLI guys !

By the way, NVIDIA had a dozen of Quad SLI PCs running in Hannover (CeBIT) last week!
Nice machines.... (of course there was not a single IL2FB demo there).
If anyone has a few '000s to spare http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30357


~S~

quote:

Originally posted by 9th_Spitin:
I have developed a problem with the water since I reformated and had to reinstall IL2. I have a BFG 6800GT OC and usually run water at 1 on perfect settings, since the reinstall, no matter what # water is on the water looks flat. Any ideas?

Hint...you forgot to turn on Perfect Mode

quote:

Originally posted by Manos1:
By the way, now that NVIDIA presented the 84.21 drivers (WHQL certified).

it looks like v-sync is broken in this relesed.
i have to use nhancer to put on v-sync in opengl. ****.

JastaV,

Lose the AF, you don't need it, it is a real frame killer. If you must, use 2XAF if it makes you feel better.

BTW, stansdds, you wouldn't happen to be a dentist with that moniker would you?

I dont understand you boys (girls).
I have read all your frustation and wonder why all this frustation accour.

I bought me a new rig last sommer , seee below, and are using the card driver following the card.
I use water = 4 and graphic=2 and I have no problems at all.
Of cause you get a little blink when new planes are sett in by the game under a flight and some seldome time a little blink of other reasons, but now stutter.

I have not tveeked the skreen card in anny spesial ways, just followed some advices in this forum. I also used all the forums wisdom when I baught the new rig.
I am flying with the sim moustly every day and I cant say ore see anything that destroys the flying ore iritats my joy over the SIM.

Are the probles that some trys to stretch the rigs out over what they ar capable of and designed fore ?
The SIM are heavy in full graphik solution and it costs to by new rigs. But this is the way it works.
I know I played with to slow rig for a year before uppgrading, and realy get nuts.



My rig data :
Main card : MSI K8N NEO4 Platinium, nForce4 ATX socket 939
Prosessor : AMD Athlon 64 3800+2.4GHz socket 939, 512KB BOXED
Memory: 2 X Corsair Value S PC3200 DDR-DIMM 1024 MB = 2048MB
Screeen card : Gainvard GeForce 6800GT 256MB 2 ns
Skreen : LG 19” LCD L1980Q 8 ms, D-sub, DVI-D

quote:

Originally posted by ddsflyer:
BTW, stansdds, you wouldn't happen to be a dentist with that moniker would you?

Yes I would, how'd you guess, ddsflyer?

Oh, just a lucky guess.