Here's a review on the new socket 1156 Lynnfield CPU's, great stuff. I go where the performance is but I do hold a softspot for AMD, they need to get in gear cuase now there is no real reason to go with an AMD system, a little quote:

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I'll start this conclusion with what AMD must do in response to Lynnfield. The Core i5 750 is a great processor at $196, in fact, it's the best quad-core CPU you can buy at that price today. In nearly every case it's faster than AMD's Phenom II X4 965 BE, despite the AMD processor costing almost another $50. Granted you can probably save some money on an integrated 785G motherboard, but if you're comparing ~$120 motherboards the AMD CPU is simply overpriced.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch.../showdoc.aspx?i=3634

I really "need" to get a better understanding of the real world (applicable, not just numbers, IOW how well one will perform over the other with say IL2/RoF/AutoCAD/etc.) of all the Intel processors out there now my knowledge stopping at the P4 533fsb non-hyperthreaded.

Mostly in that it's time for me to start buying for a new build.

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What's the difference between an i5 750 and an i7 920?

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Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
What's the difference between an i5 750 and an i7 920?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What%27s+...i5+750+and+an+i7+920

Very clever TOAD but I was hoping someone could give a quick reply about them that is in English rather than techie-speak.

Wikipedia says the i5 is between an i3 and an i7 in terms of power, and is 2.66Ghz but has no hyperthreading. So I guess my i7 920 2.66Ghz is better.

Look at all those 1156 socket mobos at launch! It seems to me at the original i7 launch there were about 8 available and they all were around $300 or more.

It's a no-brainer that AMD will be clobbered by the i5 and its affordable mobos. It seems to me they are seriously being left in the dust by Intel; I hope they can recover. My current rig is a 939 4200+ X2 which I got 4 years ago when AMD clearly ruled...

For me the only thing the 1366 socket/X58 now has going for it will be support for the up-coming 6 core processors, which may be the ticket to tame SoW:BoB. Too bad BoB:SoW requirements aren't out yet, otherwise I'm ready for a new build.

BTW, I don't care anything about SLI. Its only real value is if you have a 30" monitor that is essentially DOA without SLI, and you also have very deep pockets. IMO the "I'll get another card later" strategy is usually a waste of money in the long run.

Well I gave the first link a quick read, before being a clever @#%@

And decide the i5 is an OK choice for gaming if on a budget.

If not then go i7

Here is the conclusion form that first revue.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/801/13

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Conclusions

The new Core i5 is definitely a major step for the user that likes mid-range CPUs. Core i5-750 is going to arrive on the same price range of current mainstream CPUs but with a far higher performance for most applications. This is great news. The not so great news is that you will need a new motherboard to use it, so you won’t be able to upgrade your PC by just replacing the CPU: you will need to replace the motherboard and possible your memory modules as well, if you are not using DDR3 modules at the moment.

Core i7 will continue to be the CPU of choice for the professional user working with rendering and image processing and the new socket 1156 promises to give far more options of CPU and motherboard models to choose from in the future.

For the average user, Core i5 provides a better cost/benefit ratio than Core i7. It is true that Core i7 is faster than Core i5 even when we compare a Core i7 and a Core i5 running at the same clock rate as we did in our review, thanks to the Hyper-Threading technology that makes programs to “see” eight CPU cores instead of “only” four, but this difference in performance will be only worthwhile to professionals because a faster processing means more work done in less time, and thus more jobs for their clients and hence more money. We don’t see why a regular user would pay at least 45% more on a CPU that won’t give that much performance increase in return.

And this also applies for gamers. Gaming performance nowadays depends more on the video card than on the CPU – at least with the latest titles maximizing video quality. In summary, you will be better off buying a cheaper CPU and investing the difference on a more expensive video card than trying to have the most expensive CPU that you can afford. Thus if you are a gamer and want to have the latest Intel CPU, our recommendation falls on Core i5 once again. Unless, of course, you have a bottomless pocket and want to have the fastest PC in town: in this case buy a Core i7-975 with 12 GB RAM and two SSD’s in RAID0 and be happy!

Interesting.

My i7 920 has been fine though my GTX 260 surely does a lot of the heavy lifting. However I find that in some games I have to OC the i7 by 5 to 10% to avoid stuttering--certainly when playing Prototype. Fortunately my computer came with a nifty "EPU" program that lets you turn up your CPU's speed from the desktop. The i7 hasn't blown me away and I still am not convinced that a quad is better than a faster (and usually way cheaper) dual-core processor...we're still waiting for all those futuristic games that supposedly run way better on quads...well ok GTAIV runs way better on a quad than on a double core, but that's just one game.

HOWEVER the i7 920 is still pretty cheap. The faster versions not so much.

Intel has made this really confusing this go around, there is the socket 1366 Core I7 (I7 9xx), but there is also a socket 1156 Core I7 (I7 8xx) and I5 (7xx).

Oh, and Ba5tard5word, you need to study and learn to overclock from the BIOS (those software programs are usually bad news) and take that 920 up to 3.5-4.0ghz range, that's where the i7 belongs, then you'll be blown away .

Why is it bad news? Does it create problems?

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Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
Why is it bad news? Does it create problems?

I'm not directly familiar with the program you're using but most of the software overclocking programs I've seen were either unstable or were unable to overclock very much. You can usually get much higher overclocks when doing it from the BIOS.

If AMD is still "competitive" and nothing I've read says they're top of line is not, then that's where I'll go. If I have a choice, Intel will never, EVER get one more dime of my money. We have "history" they and I.

Da Worfster

The problem is that AMD was the place to go for price/performance ratio, well intel just killed that, the i5 performs better for less money.

Im just gonna wait till i see some more rieviews of some more games that seem to favor AMD CPU's over Intel's normaly...

But even than if these new Intels are a lot faster than the AMD's im not gonna go back to Intel for a lot of reasons.

I'm looking forward to getting Intel again.

I've never had a more stable system before or after I had the P4 2.4 Hyperthreading System I had, till the Mobo Died.

This 3700+ runs fast, but multy tasking and stability are an issue with it.

If I ever run across an old Mobo that supports that old chip, I'll drag it out of the attic and make set it up for video editing and print serving.

That's funny TOAD, I was thinking just today about upgrading, and have pretty much convinced myself to go back to AMD, as my current Intel rig falls far short of my AMD builds in the stability department. I'm willing to chalk this up to the eVGA motherboard, which has been a good performer, but has enough issues that I'm considering an RMA. For me, going the AMD AM3 router would see me needing approx $400 for motherboard and cpu, I can reuse everything else. i7 would cost me a minimum of $600. i5 would come in around $400 as well, so it's a bit of a crap shoot for me. Right now the biggest thing is a lack of good sli boards for AMD, so I may well end up Intel again.

S! Worf! I just want to add that anyone worrying over an i7 versus i5 for purely gaming should go with the i5. I've seen several gaming comparisons that show the i5-750 to be nearly a match for the i7-920. IMO that makes it a better buy. AMD's new Phenom IIx4 965 is not bad, but sucks hind tit in comparison. I should have waited a bit longer to buy a processor, but Micro Center had the i7-920 on sale for $200.00!!! Yeah, the DO stepping version, too. Now I'm trying to finance the rest of the system. But anyone not doing video productions or other software heavy lifting should do very well with the i5 series. The i7 beats it handily in apps, but it's a virtual tie in gaming, and the i5 mobos are generally cheaper. One more thing; the X58 chipset is better for SLI or Crossfire than the X55 chipset because the former can run two cards in x16x16 while the latter can only run in x8x8.
Flyby out

Here is what maximum PC says about it.....and btw, look for the new I9's coming out with ofcourse....a new socket hehe

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/core_i5

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Dont like all the difrent sockets Intel uses for there current CPU's

Those new Intels are better than the AMD's in performance for most games now, still on a few games AMD stays the better choice.

@ TOAD: What is your current AMD 3700+ for a model/type and socket?
My AMD X2 systems are much more stable than my Intel Core 2 Duo system.

Anyway my next rig will be AMD again, think i wait for the AMD8xx motherboard chipset.

Well after reading everything over I'm somewhat glad I saw this....Though not for the I5, yet what I learned about AMD (out), and the two types of I7's 1366 & 1156 sockets.

Points of interest are first off the loss of the north bridge which though making latency (WitFTI) better between the GPU and CPU comes at the expense of bandwidth if going with two GPU's/SLI....IOW 16x will be split to 2-8x...*shrugs* To that end so what, what do two moderate cards cost vs. a single high end, and as they even state very few would notice the difference.....then there was something about getting a MB with a Nvidia 200(?) chip to handle graphics....see below.

Next you must go to dual channel DDR3 vs. triple, it also reducing total ram capacity yet as they pointed out how many folks need 24Gb of ram when most high end applications just need 6Gb....I don't know about you, yet I have no intentions of paying for 4Gb/stick ram, and if I get 8Gb worth of 2Gb/stick it's reasonable.

Next, you can still get the moderate priced ($90 more) I7 860 over the I5 which is not that far off performance wise from the I7 870 at close to double the price, plus with the I7's hyperthreading still works which the I5 doesn't have.

The thing they're touting as the big negative is that the 1366 chipset will get the I9....Great, I9, more thousand dollar CPU's cause they're new, and wait a year for them to get here.....I'll pass.

Next, they're really slamming the core2quads and the like wondering why they're even bothering to sell them...A quick look-see finds them as if not more expensive, at much lower performance.

However.....though a minor thing (yet critical) I note on new egg no one is offering a 1156 socket CPU fans and heatsinks.....My guess being the new size (which demands different sized hardware then the 1366) has just caught peripheral folks off guard.

Lastly, something that concerns me due to our recent talks about sound cards and how Vista/7 use the CPU to do the work is that now they're adding onto it the GPU, in fact all of the north bridge work.......IOW, the CPU is doing more and more and it makes me wonder knowing little about computers where the breaking point is.

Anywho.......

This helps me a LOT in deciding how to do the upgrade I must to get the sim flying again.

Though it is the future, yet also the past, the real potential of the 1366 socket vs. cost will not be here for a while....Meaning, for my uses it's spending money now for less, and hoping for the future................So, I think I'm seriously considering the 1156 socket offerings, the core2anything out of the picture totally.

The maxpc review really helped....To that end I like what they had to say about the "I7-860", which for $90 more then the I5 getting enough extra's the cost is justifiable.

So at this point I'm thinking;

I7-860
Mb undecided yet they're all close
8Gb DDR3 higher end speed wise
GPU Nvidia either 1 high end or 2 moderate (most likely)
1000w PSU (still debating between Antec and Corsair...likely ANtec)

All toll there's roughly $1,000+/- (more+), yet should give me a solid system till Intel gets their new stuff sorted out and more economical (which then might just require a new GPU/MB).

Thanks for pointing this out.......It has helped me quite a bit on wading through the bazillion options.

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