Look what I got

Its both my very first skin and WIP but here it is

And another pic.
Thanks to JesterInk for his great template.

And a edited one for Beebop before I finaly get myself sleeping
(even if it is not exactly "ON" the carrier deck (and you hardly see something of the skin))

Looks nice HuninMunin. It seems to fit right in to a Pacific theme.
I'm looking forward to the completed skin.

In order to provide some realism to this thread here's a few profiles of Bf 1098Ts as they appeared late in the war, specifically in 1944.

Note that they were not used for naval purposes then, they served in regular Luftwaffe units.

I would suggest using the basic colours and patterns applied to the Bf 109Ts (as seen here) perhaps with some overwater camouflage additons like seen on Black 6. Most likely there would also have been some markings added to distinguish different onboard squadrons, probably in the form of differently coloured ID numbers and spinner for instance.

You should also consider if the Germans would have opted to use meatballs instead of the German crosses in order to avoid confusion and friendly-fire incidents. I think they would have made that change if they stay in Japanses waters was lenghty.







Hope you can make such a campaign as it would be different and fun.

Improbable, Kjetilman. The Balkenkreuz was the official military insignia of Germany and they would not have changed it. I would tend towards an ID Marking as the yellow fuselage band for the Eastern Front ...

Those profiles are beautiful, Kjetilman! What would their upper side look like? Dark green/black green camo, perhaps with some light grey sprayed on wave patterns?

First of all thank you Beebop for your kind words.
I've worked my way to the "T-4"
This time I used Foobars magnificant template, just to find out whats my taste.
The profile is losely based on the posted Black 6












The first one of the late war Ts looks interesting. What equivalent for this type do we have in game?

*edit*
Everytime I see those profiles of 109s I cannot lose the feeling that the "nose" of our ingame one is a little to thick

That campaign is seriously gonna rock dude. I can't wait.

What about fuel consumption though?

Dispaite both the Colonel and me are both allready working on missions, the plotline isn't fully fleshed out yet.
What is shure is that the player will start with pilot training (exelently done in Luftwaffe Pilot - Legion Kondor, but as Coppola said: steel from the best ).
Than earns his spores in a very famous air campaign against a certain island and is transfered to command one fighter wing of Trägergruppe 186 wich is of course the fighting force of the Graf Zeppelin.
Various missions in the mediteranian will follow (Illustrious? ) and the Graf is send to pursue down ForceZ with an own taskforce, wich is of course first to be brought through the english channel.
Than, near the gulf of Siam, the campaign really starts of.....

And to say it again: Every influence from your side is more than welcome.
That is not limited to the skins, just throw in what comes to your mind in terms of missions, detail etc.

Indeed the nose looks different in game than on the profiles
We've got the E models (Emils) of the BF109 and not the T model. It is the best substitute for a T since both variants are early war productions.
btw: nice skinning! i'm looking forward to those

and overall, it is a interessting idea to create a naval LW campaign. Maybe fictional against british martlets or corsairs?

Regards dog

I now that we got the E (ectualy we'll use the E7/B because of its capability to use drop tanks)and no real T.
But thanks for pointing it out anyway.
I was asking because he posted profiles of 109Ts of 1944, hence i guess they are somehow improved and not the T-2s that were there at the beginning.

And, you'll get some corsairs into your Revi, be shure

What about the Stukas on the Graf Zeppelin and Peter Strasser? Should't they get a part in the campaign, of course with fiting camos? The B2 takes of just fine from a carrier, so that should prove to be no problem.

Maybe I'll post a pic of the Seastuka tomorow.

It is yet to decide wether or not to have multiple points of view within the campaign.
But I can say for shure that the pack will include several single missions, that are not part of the campaign.

S!
Simon

"Improbable, Kjetilman. The Balkenkreuz was the official military insignia of Germany and they would not have changed it. I would tend towards an ID Marking as the yellow fuselage band for the Eastern Front ..."

We'll never know what they would have chosen, of course, but I think the Japanese would have fired quite happily against any unknown aircraft type flying around their carriers and territory not having meatballs, even if they knew the German markings.

Please note that the very few Luftwaffe aircraft that did operate in Japanese waters, a few Ar 196s and an E8N, did not carry German markings. In fact, they were either devoid of markings (the Ar 196s) or carried false British markings (the E8N). So at least they did change their markings when operating there. But it looks cooler with German markings, for sure!

Colour ID markings are another options, of course.

"Those profiles are beautiful, Kjetilman! What would their upper side look like? Dark green/black green camo, perhaps with some light grey sprayed on wave patterns?"

Thanks, here's the standard upper surface pattern for the Bf 109T which could be modifed for use on other versions of the Bf 109.



HuninMUnin, those skins are beautiful and certainly look good!

"The first one of the late war Ts looks interesting. What equivalent for this type do we have in game?"

The closest you get to a Bf 109T in the game is the BF 109E-7/Z. Late-war Ts actually had the GM-1 system so all you would need to make a T are the extended wings (and arrestor gear for the carrier verion)! Note that skins simulating the late-war Bf 109Ts should have the two oval hatches on the port side as shown in my profiles.

As for the Ju 87C the few made were finished in regular camo, i.e. 70/71/65.



kjetil

Maybe they would have used something like this?

quote:

Originally posted by MM-Zorin:
Maybe they would have used something like this?

At first I wanted to say yes, (after all this is a "what if" scenario), but the more I looked at it the more I realized it could be mistaken for a Geneva Red Cross. Now initally this would work in their favor but soon you'd have ground attacks on ambulances.
(It's rumored that the Grmans used ambulances to transport ammunition.)
Of course the Japanese didn't use air ambulances as far as I know and I do know that the US didn't mark thiers as such since they often carried non-medical supplies along with the injured. Which explains why there are no photos of C-47's sporting the red cross.

None the less and interesting idea.

I'm sure i've seen a profile of a pre-war DO 17 with red disks over the markings as a 'enemy' in war games.. ah, if you scroll down here there is a b/w photo of the plane:

http://www.grafixnpix.com/wwii/german.htm

Looks a bit like HuninMunin's idea

EDIT: Those Do-17 pics do not show red disks but the "spanish" markings for planes fighting in the spanish civil war (with Legion Condor). These disks are black BTW.

That's what i get for trusting cheap profile books from when I was a kid! (or i've confused the photo) I'll get me coat....

Edit: though on this photo from the site you can see the cross underneath the circle? just fading or maybe it is what i remember?



Edit: Here's the profile!

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/325/2/0/26