Due to ungratefulness and some backstabbing of some users I quit this forum. But I'm taking all my posts with me.



Goodbye and have fun

I'm sorry to hear that!

I was under the impression that most of the users here held you in high esteem.

Would it be too much to ask for you to reveal the offending users?

Sadly, Ebutaljib has deleted every post of his, including the ones that I and others found distasteful. I'm probably the guy he accuses of backstabbing because I reported some of his posts for being disrespectful to other users (specifically Cmcdarris). I urged him to act in a way that was more respectful to other users and it seems he has taken it personally.

I don't think it's especially mature of him to delete entire threads. As far as I can see he's deleted every single thread he started (including his posts and everyone else's who contributed to them) during the last three months, and that was a lot of threads. Such an act of wanton destruction shows a lack of community spirit. The forum is for all users of CM11 and contributions should be made freely for everyone's use, and they should not be able to be held to ransom or removed by a user (even if he's a moderator) in an act of picque. This forum is not Ebutaljib's private playground.

In light of the fact that Ebutaljib has deleted at least three entire threads and possibly tens more, I'm a little concerned about other threads in the forum. Presumably Ebutaljib has the ability, as a moderator, to remove every thread in the forum. I don't think he's likely to do that, but I don't think he should be given the option of removing any more content. Is there any way of removing or amending his moderator status so he can't do more damage?

No moderator privileges are required to delete YOUR OWN posts. Everybody can do that. Everybody has the rigth to edit or delete his own posts.

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Originally posted by ebutaljib:
No moderator privileges are required to delete YOUR OWN posts. Everybody can do that. Everybody has the rigth to edit or delete his own posts.

Everyone has the ABILITY to do it. But I think whether someone has the 'right' is debatable. Freedom to speak is a right, but freedom to censor? - I don't know. Censorship is a responsibility and I don't see what you did as responsible. In deleting threads you started you also deleted everyone else's posts who had contributed to those threads. As I see it, when another person contributes to a thread that thread becomes part of the community's property. I have no problem with you deleting your own posts (even though such an action shows a lack of respect for the community), but I have a big problem with you deleting all the other people's posts in the threads you started.

After all, if you really only wanted to delete your own posts you could have left the threads intact and just deleted the text from your thread-starting posts. You chose not to do that, and instead you removed yours and everyone else's contribution to the threads you started. Don't you see how selfish that is?

To me your destructive actions indicate that you were more interested in making forum contributions to satisfy your own ego rather than for what they could do for the community. If you were truly submitting articles selflessly and for the benefit of the community you would never have deleted all that stuff. After all, it wasn't the community that stabbed you in the back (as you put it) - it was me. But you chose to punish the entire community in revenge for what you think I did to you.

Complain to the Ubisoft and eve.groupee. It's their forum. All I did is to select MY OWN posts and deleted them. It's not my fault that others got deleted too. Whom did I censor? Myself??? I never edited or deleted a single post from anyone else, except few thousands posts from that lunatic from Cyprus. (By the way: Good luck when he comes back. And he WILL come back. It may not be tomorrow, it may not be next month, but he will come back for sure. And then it will be chaos, because ebutaljib won't be here to clean up his mess)

In all my posts it was MY knowledge from MY experinces so they are MY property. And I decided to unshare my knowledge. Why? Because latelly there is quite a few ungratefulness here. And I really don't see the problem about my posts, because according to some all I did was insulting (I don't know what some people consider insult - if I say "read my post again" or "do some searching before posting" when a person opened the same topic as someone else 1 day ago, then this is not an insult, at least not for me) and post rolling eyes and didn't help them at all. So I really don't know why I shouldn't delete my posts if there wasn't anything usefull in them anyway? You should be glad I deleted them.



P.S.: Don't take so much credit. You are not that important part in my decision.

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Originally posted by ebutaljib:
...All I did is to select MY OWN posts and deleted them. It's not my fault that others got deleted too.

Oh yes it is.

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I never edited or deleted a single post from anybody, except the posts from that lunatic from Cyprus. (By the way: Good luck when he comes back. And he WILL come back. It may not be tomorrow, it may not be next month, but he will come back for sure. And then it will be chaos, because ebutaljib won't be here to clean up his mess)

I'm sure the forum can get another moderator - perhaps one who doesn't act like a spoiled child when he's taken to task for insulting people.

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In all my posts it was MY knowledge from MY experinces so they are MY property. And I decided to unshare my knowledge. Why? Because latelly there is quite a few ungratefulness here.

Blimey, you have a heck of an ego there. Ungratefulness? Do we need to kiss your boots in order to gain your favour?

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And I really don't see the problem about my posts, because according to some all I did was insulting (I don't know what some people consider insult - if I say read my post again, then this is not an insult, at least not for me) and post rolling eyes and didn't help them at all.

Yeah, if we COULD read the post again I'm sure we would, but you haven't left us that option, now have you. Your post and the thread that contained it - and all the other threads you started - are gone - you (conveniently for you) deleted them.

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So I really don't know why I shouldn't delete my posts if there wasn't anything usefull in them anyway? You should be glad I deleted them...

No one ever said your posts weren't useful. Some of them were very useful indeed. A few others were a little arrogant and disrespectful. Now it's not unreasonable for me to revere the useful posts and condemn the disrespectful posts - which is what I did. Apparently you need me to revere even your abusive posts - something which I will not do.

Look, whether you admit it or not, you acted disrespectfully and after we called you on it you deleted other people's posts. You deleted three stickied threads in their entirety - those threads contained many posts from many users. Perhaps you don't think those posts were important, but others do.

Anyway, I'm not going to have anything more to do with you. Clearly you have nothing to contribute because what you give to the community you demand gratitude for, and you take it away whenever your ego gets bruised.

Yesterday I saw posts from you that accused this community of being "stupid" and "ungrateful". Those posts are now conveniently (from your perspective) gone. Perhaps it would be best if you leave too. While your insight into chess and into Chessmaster may be great I worry that your contempt for the forum community is even greater. I think the forum community will be better off without of your insight since it's clear you require us to accept your contempt along with it.

Hey ebutaljib,

So you're going to take your toys (in as much as they're yours) and you're going to leave. How immature of you.

What did you expect? That there would be an outcry of disappointment and mourning? Did you expect apologies and tears over your departure? Good riddance. Don't come back.

No. Not at all. And I won't. I just took all my bagage with me. I don't left things behind. Why are you complaining that I deleted my posts?

You're still here?

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Originally posted by Beeryus:
Yesterday I saw posts from you that accused this community of being "stupid" and "ungrateful". Those posts are now conveniently (from your perspective) gone.

This is a lie. I have said I have seen a lot of stupid question and that there can't be any reasonable answer to a stupid question.

A few examples of stupid questions:
1) I've set Chessmaster to tournament time controls and now chessmaster is taking 3 to 4 minutes before making a move. Is this a bug?

If thats not stupid than I don't know what is. But this is MY opinion. You don't have to agree with it.

Seems like you are all forgeting what forum is. Forum is a place where anybody can give his opinions and ideas. If I say something is stupid then it is my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I have never ever said to someone that HE is stupid. I hope you see the difference. I'm entitled to my opinion and you can agree or disagree with me. It is YOUR opinion and you are entitled to it.

And what was in that famous thread where I was disrespectfull and then deleted it. Feel free to correct me.

The post contained over 250 chess lectures (which I uploaded). The lectures were listed, there were download links and the instructions that you can play it with RealTime player or open the files with internet explorer.
And then one of the users posted: "I don't understand this post. Can someone explain? Are those lectures somewhere to be found inside Chessmaster?"

What the hell??? What is there to understand? the lectures are listed, there are download links, it's fairly obvious they are not inside Chessmaster. This is the dumbest question I've seen in a long time.

I DIDN'T wrote any of that! What I wrote was (and I quote):

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Oh boy

Maybe it's best for you if you forget about this whole thread.

So where have I been disrespectfull??? If that is disrescpectfull then you are being disrespectfull to me right now. Making impression that I deleted something I shouldn't have and that I insulted someone AND calling me imature. If I was so imature why didn't I just delete your posts and block your account and IP. Nobody would ever know. Not even you. You would just wonder. Why can't I login anymore. I could easelly do that (still can). But I WON'T do that. I would NEVER do that. You can write whatever you want, about me, about everything. You are entitled to your opinion. But so am I.
Words of a very imature person, huh?

There was absolutelly nothing wrong with what I did. I deleted MY post because I don't want anybody to read them anymore. Period.



Reuben aka Chessumastahexa I don't know what I ever did to you, but I must say that I was a lot better moderator than you ever were (my opinion, you don't have to agree). I have never censored anything unlike you who is moderator in one of the most censored forum there are. The censorship is so tight that it's impossible to make a normal conversation. Probably thats why it is so dead.

Bye Ebu.
You did a good job here!

I can't believe it! You people are so foolish it is beyond me to be ragging on Ebu! Who brought you service pack 1 and 2, who brought you all the downloads and chess puzzles?

I have never seen something so ridiculous. The questions that are often asked here ARE stupid, if not outright retarded. Your calling Ebu immature? Make a bit of an effort and you'll appreciate your experience with Chessmaster.

Because of your arrogance one of the best members on this forum is gone. Way to go! You don't know how to treat people and now you've got a major loss. So pitiful...

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Originally posted by Undefdisfigure:
Because of your arrogance one of the best members on this forum is gone. Way to go! You don't know how to treat people and now you've got a major loss. So pitiful...

Let's get something straight. No one is forcing Ebutaljib out. A couple of people had the temerity to ask Ebutaljib to modify his tone after one of his trademark sarcastic posts and Ebutaljib responded by calling the forum community ungrateful and stupid before deleting a bunch of threads and walking out. If you can't see that that was an overreaction on his part that's your problem.

Yes, I refuse to treat Ebutaljib as a superior being and I refuse to see him abuse others. You may have put up with his dismissive and contemptuous attitude but I don't see why I should have to.

I hope Ebu sees my post because I want him to know that I'm proud of him.

I agree that Ebutaljib can be impolite sometimes, but he also was one of hte most important contributors to the forum. Is there no way to work out a "peace?" Concerning some of the less insightful questions, I think we need to remember that alot of users could be young kids, or people not very sophisticated with computer software, and maybe we need to tolerate these questions (well, do mor ethan tolerate. Maybe be supportive)

best
J

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Originally posted by Beeryus:

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Originally posted by Undefdisfigure:
Because of your arrogance one of the best members on this forum is gone. Way to go! You don't know how to treat people and now you've got a major loss. So pitiful...

Let's get something straight. No one is forcing Ebutaljib out. A couple of people had the temerity to ask Ebutaljib to modify his tone after one of his trademark sarcastic posts and Ebutaljib responded by calling the forum community ungrateful and stupid before deleting a bunch of threads and walking out. If you can't see that that was an overreaction on his part that's your problem.

Yes, I refuse to treat Ebutaljib as a superior being and I refuse to see him abuse others. You may have put up with his dismissive and contemptuous attitude but I don't see why I should have to.

ebutaljib is a liar. I'm not a moderator. Never have been.

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Originally posted by oozziejoe:
I agree that Ebutaljib can be impolite sometimes, but he also was one of hte most important contributors to the forum. Is there no way to work out a "peace?"

I guess that would be up to Ebutaljib. He's the only one 'at war' after all.

The only thing I'm concerned about in all of this, is that new members don't get discouraged by the attitude of older members who can't keep their sarcasm in check. I've seen two new people (mike0219116 and Cmcdarris) posting on the forums this week and I've seen them both receive a sarcastic response from Ebutaljib - and they haven't posted again. I assume they felt that the forum was unwelcoming and left.

New members should be made to feel welcome. They should not be made to feel stupid. The CM11 forums need to be an inclusive club, not an exclusive one. Ebutaljib wonders why the forum is so dead. Well in my opinion his attitude towards newbies has something to do with it.

ebutaljib is a CMXI user just like you or I. He is no special person.

Were his contributions useful? I agree. Some of those links were well organized and meticulous.

But that should not permit him to denigrate other users. People of varying computer proficiencies post here and they have the right to do this.

I have had to ask numerous stupid questions on my way to being proficient at computers. If someone were to put me down each time I made a mistake, this would have set me back a lot.

We'll get by without ebutaljib. Notice how he's playing the little dictator here by reminding us all that he has the power to ban people he doesn't like. How benevolent of him that he doesn't do this.

Ubisoft, if you're reading this, please remove ebutaljib from the moderator list. He's out of control.

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Originally posted by Beeryus:
Ebutaljib wonders why the forum is so dead.

Read Beeryus, read. (yes, another one of my sarcastic comments) Where did I wonder about that?

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Originally posted by chessumastahexa:
Ubisoft, if you're reading this, please remove ebutaljib from the moderator list.

You should know that Ubisoft doesn't read this. You should also know that clicking that triangle only triggers a message to moderators. Yes, you can take the privileges away from me. I stoped using them anyway.

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He's out of control.

Another one of your lies. What exactly did I do? Did I abuse my privileges? No. Like said every user can edit or delete his OWN posts. No moderator privileges are needed for that. I didn't delete or edited anybody's elses post. That would be abuse of my privileges. So stop lying that I abused something and that I'm out of control.