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Hi,
I haven't encounter a topic discussing the superior tweaked personalities over the default one....
I'll provid examples and links later this evening....

Truce
 
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Well, where can we see those setings?
 
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http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20749

You don't have a clue how many tweaked personalities are out there that are much stronger than the default chess engines and I am talking about The King 3.23,3.33 & 3.50 Cool
 
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Okay, I'll grant you there are several personalities that might be stronger, but it looks like you're only using them to play other personalities.

Watching personalities play each other might provide a little amusement, but frankly, I'd get bored very, very soon. I bought Chessmaster because I want to play chess. Smile
 
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No,in my rating list these personalities may sometimes face each other in a tournament depending on their position in the rating list,but most of the time they play top rated chess programs and by the way,at this very moment,I am playing a tournament with some of them....

[Event "IZone_RL_2008"]
[Site "YOUR-4105E587B6"]
[Date "2008.05.12"]
[Round "1"]
[White "SmarThink 1.10 Moscow"]
[Black "The King 3.23 Judge II i"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D55"]
[Opening "QGD"]
[Time "22:05:21"]
[Variation "Neo-Orthodox, Petrosian Variation"]
[TimeControl "2400+20"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "101"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Bg5 Be7 5.Nc3 O-O 6.e3 h6 7.Bxf6 Bxf6 8.Rc1 c6 9.Bd3
Nd7 10.O-O dxc4 11.Bxc4 b6 12.Qd3 {+0.23/15 92} Qc7 {-0.77/225 118} 13.Ba6
{+0.33/14 90} Rd8 {-0.61/225 92} 14.Bxc8 {+0.29/14 73} Raxc8 {-0.45/225 62} 15.Qa6
{+0.18/14 84} Qb8 {-0.33/201 100} 16.h4 {+0.10/14 71} c5 {-0.15/201 101} 17.Nb5 {+0.01/15
69} Qa8 {-0.11/201 133} 18.a3 {+0.06/14 71} Qc6 {-0.09/201 106} 19.Nc3 {-0.07/14
66} cxd4 {+0.20/201 80} 20.exd4 {-0.03/16 65} Nf8 {+0.13/225 75} 21.h5 {+0.15/15
64} Qc7 {+0.05/225 103} 22.Rfe1 {+0.14/14 106} Nh7 {-0.03/201 82} 23.Ne5 {+0.18/14
61} Qb8 {+0.02/225 71} 24.Rcd1 {+0.09/15 76} Qc7 {0.00/225 70} 25.f4 {+0.24/13 59}
Qe7 {+0.09/225 69} 26.g3 {+0.25/14 86} Bxe5 {0.00/225 56} 27.dxe5 {+0.31/14 56}
Qc5+ {-0.10/249 54} 28.Kg2 {+0.32/14 55} Qc6+ {-0.08/225 99} 29.Kh3 {+0.38/15 80}
Nf8 {-0.11/225 64} 30.Qe2 {+0.49/16 69} Rxd1 {-0.23/201 95} 31.Rxd1 {+0.69/16 52}
Rc7 {-0.24/225 69} 32.Nb5 {+0.69/17 53} Rd7 {-0.12/179 102} 33.Nd6 {+0.69/16 50} a6
{-0.16/225 51} 34.Rf1 {+0.62/13 83} b5 {-0.03/202 59} 35.g4 {+0.57/15 74} f6 {0.00/225 57}
36.Kg3 {+0.35/15 118} Rc7 {-0.01/249 42} 37.g5 {+0.40/14 64} hxg5 {+0.78/225 61}
38.fxg5 {+0.20/12 14} f5 {+0.74/249 38} 39.g6 {-0.01/13 110} Qc5 {+0.69/249 47} 40.Rd1
{0.00/13 42} b4 {+1.10/249 48} 41.Ne8 {-0.01/13 41} Rc8 {+0.98/17 51} 42.Nd6 {-0.21/13
68} Rb8 {+1.28/249 38} 43.a4 {-0.23/13 66} b3 {+1.40/225 78} 44.Kh3 {-0.33/13 64}
Rb4 {+1.74/249 34} 45.a5 {-1.26/15 263} Qxa5 {+1.92/249 48} 46.Nc4 {-1.28/13 31}
Qc5 {+2.44/202 58} 47.Rc1 {-1.30/16 42} Qd4 {+2.67/225 36} 48.Kg3 {-1.51/14 77} a5
{+3.97/225 47} 49.Rc3 {-4.13/15 207} a4 {+4.17/249 43} 50.Kg2 {-4.14/14 29} Qd5+ {+4.84/17
63} 51.Kg1 {-3.71/13 25} {0-1 User Adjudication} 0-1

Now how about that,a Chessmaster IX personality demolishing an upcoming commercial chess engine with a style Too Happy

BTW,in my rating list I am testing consistantly 28 Chessmaster personalities including the defaults at long time controls with over 200 games by now for each personality,and yes,i am testing since a long time ago Cool
 
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Now you have to explain to the interested users how to convert those winboard parameters to chessmaster GUI parameters Wink
 
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Unfortunately,I don't have a clue how to do this as I test them outside the Chessmaster GUI.I think that there was a converting formula somewhere....
You can contact Graham Banks in the links I provided,I think that he can help....
 
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Well, for example myr=120 means that (under material tab) you should set "own rook" to 120% of the default value (5.0 pawns), meaning it should be set to 6.0.

But I think this simple formula gets distorted if you change the attacker/defender and positional/material settings.
 
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Definitely things are more complicated than that,if I find something regarding this issue I'll post here Angel
 
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It is so simple. I tested it. I took the Archangel settings and set new personality inside Chessmaster GUI as following:

myp=116 -- "own pawn" should be set to 1.16, but since this is impossible I have set it to 1.2
myn=120 -- "own knight" to 3.6
myb=120 -- "own bishop" to 3.6
myr=120 -- "own rook" to 6.0
myq=124 -- "own queen" to 11.2 (11.16 should be the exact value)
opp=116 -- "opponents pawn" to 1.2 (1.16 should be the exact value)
opn=120 -- "opponents knight" to 3.6
opb=120 -- "opponents bishop" to 3.6
opr=120 -- "opponents rook" to 6.0
opq=124 -- "opponents queen" to 11.2 (11.16 is the exact value)
mycc=124 -- "own centre control" to 124
mymob=124 -- "own mobility" to 124
myks=154 -- "own king safety" to 154
mypp=118 -- "own passed pawns" to 118
mypw=118 -- "own pawn weakness" to 118
opcc=124 -- "opponents center control" to 124
opmob=124 -- "opponents mobility" to 124
opks=154 -- "opponents king safety" to 154
oppp=118 -- "opponents passed pawns" to 118
oppw=118 -- "opponents pawn weakness" to 118
avd=0 -- "attacker/defender" to 0
sop=100 -- "strength of play" to 100
rnd=0 -- "randomness" to 0
sel=21 -- "selective search" maximum inside Chessmaster GUI is 16, so you can't set it to 21
cfd=0 -- "contempt for draw" to 0
md=99 -- "maximum depth" to 99



Then I replaced The King engine with an old version of Crafty and started a game against this personality. This is the log file from crafty:
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Crafty v19.19 BH

White(1): xboard
White(1): cm_parm opk=461858
Illegal move (ambiguous): cm_parm
White(1): post
White(1): new
White(1): level 0 20 0
game/20 minutes primary time control
White(1): cm_parm default
Illegal move (ambiguous): cm_parm
White(1): cm_parm opp=120 opn=120 opb=120 opr=120 opq=124
Illegal move (ambiguous): cm_parm
White(1): cm_parm myp=120 myn=120 myb=120 myr=120 myq=124
Illegal move (ambiguous): cm_parm
White(1): cm_parm mycc=124 mymob=124 myks=154 mypp=118 mypw=118
Illegal move (ambiguous): cm_parm
White(1): cm_parm opcc=124 opmob=124 opks=154 oppp=118 oppw=118
Illegal move (ambiguous): cm_parm
White(1): cm_parm cfd=0 sop=100 avd=0 rnd=0 sel=16 md=99
Illegal move (ambiguous): cm_parm
White(1): cm_parm tts=67108864
Illegal move (ambiguous): cm_parm
White(1): hard
pondering enabled.
White(1): force
White(1): time 119700
time remaining: 19:57 (crafty).
White(1): otim 120000
time remaining: 20:00 (opponent).
White(1): force
White(1): h2h4
feature done=1
Black(1): force
Black(1): g8f6
White(2): time 119684
time remaining: 19:56 (crafty).
White(2): otim 119964
time remaining: 19:59 (opponent).
White(2): h4h5
Black(2): black
Black(2): time 119984
time remaining: 19:59 (crafty).
Black(2): otim 119964
time remaining: 19:59 (opponent).
Black(2): go
time limit 29.99 (3:29)
depth time score variation (1)
8 0.18 -0.32 2. ... d5 3. e3 Nc6 4. Nc3 d4 5. Nb5
dxe3 6. dxe3 Bd7
8-> 0.26 -0.32 2. ... d5 3. e3 Nc6 4. Nc3 d4 5. Nb5
dxe3 6. dxe3 Bd7
9 0.54 -0.33 2. ... d5 3. d4 Bg4 4. h6 Nbd7 5. Nc3
gxh6 6. Bxh6 Bxh6 7. Rxh6 O-O
9-> 0.79 -0.33 2. ... d5 3. d4 Bg4 4. h6 Nbd7 5. Nc3
gxh6 6. Bxh6 Bxh6 7. Rxh6 O-O
10 1.32 -0.26 2. ... d5 3. d4 Bg4 4. h6 Nc6 5. Na3
gxh6 6. Bxh6 Nb4 7. Nf3 Bxf3 8. exf3
Bxh6 9. Rxh6
10 2.95 -0.41 2. ... e5 3. Nc3 d5 4. d3 d4 5. Ne4
Nc6 6. Bd2 Nxe4 7. dxe4 Bb4
10-> 3.34 -0.41 2. ... e5 3. Nc3 d5 4. d3 d4 5. Ne4
Nc6 6. Bd2 Nxe4 7. dxe4 Bb4
11 9.48 -0.39 2. ... e5 3. Nf3 e4 4. Nd4 Nc6 5. e3
Nxd4 6. exd4 Be7 7. Nc3 O-O 8. Bc4
11 13.75 -0.44 2. ... d5 3. e3 e5 4. Bb5+ Nc6 5. Nc3
Bg4 6. Be2 Bf5 7. Nf3 Bc5 8. Ng5
11-> 14.00 -0.44 2. ... d5 3. e3 e5 4. Bb5+ Nc6 5. Nc3
Bg4 6. Be2 Bf5 7. Nf3 Bc5 8. Ng5
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So you see, it is that simple. The values match, except with myp and opp where I had to take 1.2 instead of the exact value of 1.16.


P.S.: The material/positional setting distorts everything. If you set it to -100 (totaly material) then all material values are multiplied by 3 and all positional settings get decresed by about 50. If you set material/positional setting to 100 (totaly positional) all material settings get decreased for 50 and all positional settings get multiplied by 3. With carefull balancing and little adjusting it is possible to achieve that a pawn would be worth 1.16 like it should be.
 
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