Believe or not? Chessmaster XI was defeated by fritz 11.

chessmaster XI played white; fritz XI played black.
After 77th folder, I played black instead of Fritz 11.

Post Game Analysis:
Black wins!
Fantastic! This is your first victory against Chessmaster.
Victory in a balanced game against a higher-rated opponent - fantastic!
Game type: Balanced
Equilibrium percentage: 62%, lasting for 59 moves
Opening used: English Opening / Symmetrical Variation
Worst move: 92, Kc3, Decrease: 95.12
Mate opportunities: 3
You controlled the game against the best opponent in Chessmaster: Grandmaster Edition, proving your playing strength. Congratulations ! If you never considered joining a chess club or playing in competitions, maybe it's time to do it now. You conquered Chessmaster: Grandmaster Edition, and this is not a simple achievement...

1. c4 c5
2. g3 g6
3. Bg2 Bg7
4. Nc3 Nc6
5. e3 e5
6. Nf3 d6
7. d4 exd4
8. exd4 cxd4
9. Nd5 Nge7
10. O-O O-O
11. Bg5 f6
12. Bd2 Rf7
13. Re1 Bf5
14. Qb3 Rc8
15. Nh4 Bd7
16. Nxe7+ Nxe7
17. Qxb7 Rxc4
18. Qxa7 Bc6
19. Ba5 Qd7
20. Qxd7 Bxd7
21. Rac1 Rxc1
22. Rxc1 f5
23. b3 f4
24. gxf4 d3
25. Bd2 Rf8
26. Rc7 Rd8
27. Be4 Bf6
28. Ng2 Bf5
29. Bf3 d5
30. Ne3 Be4
31. Ng4 Kf7
32. Bd1 Bb2
33. Bb4 Re8
34. Rd7 Ke6
35. Rd6+ Kf7
36. Nh6+ Kg7
37. Rd7 Bf6
38. Ng4 h5
39. Nxf6 Kxf6
40. Rd6+ Kf7
41. f3 Bf5
42. a4 Be6
43. Rb6 Nf5
44. Rb7+ Kg8
45. a5 d4
46. a6 Bd5
47. Rd7 Be6
48. Rc7 Ne3
49. a7 Nxd1
50. Re7 Ra8
51. Rxe6 Rxa7
52. Rxg6+ Kf7
53. Rg2 Ra1
54. Rd2 Rb1
55. Kg2 Ne3+
56. Kf2 Rxb3
57. Bc5 Nc4
58. Rd1 Rb2+
59. Kg3 h4+
60. Kxh4 d2
61. Bxd4 Rc2
62. Kg4 Rc1
63. Rxd2 Nxd2
64. h4 Rf1
65. h5 Nxf3
66. Be3 Nh2+
67. Kg5 Rf3
68. Bd4 Rg3+
69. Kh4 Rg8
70. Kh3 Ng4
71. Kh4 Nf6
72. Be5 Rh8
73. Kg3 Rxh5
74. Bc3 Kg6
75. Bd4 Kf5
76. Bxf6 Kxf6
77. Kg4 Rh8


78. Kf3 Kf5
79. Ke3 Rh4
80. Kd4 Rxf4+
81. Kd3 Re4
82. Kc3 Ke5
83. Kd3 Rh4
84. Kc3 Kd5
85. Kd3 Rh3+
86. Kd2 Ke4
87. Kc2 Kd4
88. Kd2 Rh2+
89. Ke1 Ke3
90. Kd1 Rf2
91. Kc1 Kd3
92. Kb1 Kc3
93. Ka1 Kb3
94. Kb1 Rf1#

As impressive as that is, it's one game.

Given enough games, Stanley the chimp will beat Chessmaster, Deep Fritz, Garry Kasparov, or any other opponent (assuming he truly does make random moves).

Ok, enough Devil's Advocate: congrats Fritz

quote:

Originally posted by chengongqpzm:
Believe or not? Chessmaster XI was defeated by fritz 11.

And why wouldn't we believe it? There are much more people in this world that would say:

Believe it or not: Chessmaster defeated Fritz.

By the way, chessmaster's time control was Fischer 10/6, and Fritz's was 3min per game.
Chessmaster had much more time.
My friend also tried a game.Fritz XI defeated Chessmaster XI.

I hope you're not suggesting we throw away Chessmaster and switch to Fritz

What does this prove, really? One chess engine beat another. How did that help you improve your game? (I'm assuming that most of us bought Chessmaster to help them improve their game).

Let's also not forget that Chessmaster has other features to consider. Tutorials are Chessmaster's strong point -- I don't think you can say that about Fritz.

quote:

Originally posted by KHollister:
I hope you're not suggesting we throw away Chessmaster and switch to Fritz

Of course not. I just wanted to know which engine is better. I can use the better one to analysis a position or a game.
In fact, I like chessmaster very much, though it has a few bugs. Chessmaster is easy to learn and use. Besides, I can't defeat fritz all my life, but I can defeat some of chessmaster personalities.
If chessmaster defeated Fritz, I will throw away fritz and never use it.
However, fritz wins. I intend to keep both of them.
Fritz is a software for Analysising, and Chessmaster is a software for playing and learning.

First of all:

Did you use two computer or just one?

Because if it's only one, and the computer is running both Chessmaster and Fritz, then it's invalid. Fritz could be hogging all the cpu process or vice-versa.

Oh... every week or so a new topic like this is created...
How can you be so naive?

Who are you calling naive, chengongqpzm or us old-timers?

I still have to wonder why the first thing some people do when they buy a chess program is try to play it against another program. Seems rather pointless to me...

quote:

Originally posted by KHollister:
I still have to wonder why the first thing some people do when they buy a chess program is try to play it against another program.

First thing? No. I have got chessmaster for 3 years(of course it was 10th edition when 11th was unavailable).
Both of them are considered as the most powerful chess engine. I want to know which one is better. If a person says his spear can pierce through any shield in the world, and another says his shield can defend any spear in the world, I will be curious about what will happen when the spear attacks the shield.
Someone ask me whether two computer or just one was used. Only one. Using one computer will avail Chessmaster. Because chessmaster's game.exe and Theking350.exe took more than 90% cpu process and restricted ChessProgram11.exe of fritz. You know that Chessmaster has a better visualization and that shall take something.

quote:

Fritz could be hogging all the cpu process or vice-versa

maybe the complaints about chessmaster haven't been experienced by everyone

edit: i didn't notice the 'vice-verse'

quote:

Both of them are considered as the most powerful chess engine.

i hate to disagree and to do it twice in one post is maybe too much. maybe you meant that they both consider themselves the best, because you'll be hard pressed to find a lot of people agree with that. probably among the top are: rybka, naum, zappa and hiarcs.. maybe i missed one or two. chessmaster isn't in the top 10.. and i'm not sure where fritz is, but it's somewhere in between

edit: of course i'm only talking about raw strength here. if you look at training alone, then i would say chessmaster is #1 .. or at least up there. although i have a bone to pick with the new section. most of the questions are so easy, it's annoying... and some are brain scratchers... all in one tutorial.

reply to Tomski1981
quote: Probably among the top are: rybka, naum, zappa and hiarcs.. maybe i missed one or two. chessmaster isn't in the top 10.. and i'm not sure where fritz is, but it's somewhere in between
reply:Thank you for telling me more. There are few people know chess in my country and I can't get more information.

quote:if you look at training alone, then i would say chessmaster is #1 .. or at least up there.
reply:Agreed

quote:

Originally posted by chengongqpzm:
Both of them are considered as the most powerful chess engine.

By whom??? Nobody in chess computer world considers The King or Fritz as the most powerfull engines on the world.



When advertising of course there are hints which could be undertood as "our program is the best in the world" but hey, this is advertising. What do you expect them to say?

"Buy our program which is 12th on the world regarding playing strength on the latest computer rating list"

quote:

Originally posted by chengongqpzm:

quote:

Originally posted by KHollister:
I still have to wonder why the first thing some people do when they buy a chess program is try to play it against another program.

First thing? No. I have got chessmaster for 3 years(of course it was 10th edition when 11th was unavailable).
Both of them are considered as the most powerful chess engine. I want to know which one is better. If a person says his spear can pierce through any shield in the world, and another says his shield can defend any spear in the world, I will be curious about what will happen when the spear attacks the shield.
Someone ask me whether two computer or just one was used. Only one. Using one computer will avail Chessmaster. Because chessmaster's game.exe and Theking350.exe took more than 90% cpu process and restricted ChessProgram11.exe of fritz. You know that Chessmaster has a better visualization and that shall take something.

generated on 24-FEB-2008
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Anyway I have more fun with the weaker personalities from Chessmaster.