I've really not got time to write and been away for some weeks, so that's why I haven't said to much and still not will. Only got 3 things to say.

read this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/6528979.stm#australia

@Alias:
I beleive I've said it before, if not then I'm sorry. This has happened several times before, but it's each time been because of major volcanoes, asteroids, and (now it's just guessing since it's to long since I read about it) probably some insane earthquakes in the wrong place or totally out of proprotion solar glares or insane forest fires. I do however wonder how many of those we have had lately, not counting the asteroid that probably caused the small ice age.

@Smith-b-d:
You are right to a sertain degree, but also wrong in other ways. For the difference in how much water in different places, see the link I provided earlier. But even though we say you are right, then it is generally so that the places that are in need of water are pretty warm. Heath turns fluids into gases, and water is no exception. I've got no idea how it is in Australia, but in Africa it is so that, mostly, they've just got enough time to use the water before it turns into steam and goes up and away again. If it gets warmer, then the water will disapear even faster and as you can see in that link, then it depends on where you live where the increase of water will be.

- I think you also earlier talked about water for drinking, and lots of folkes get that water from ice... I wonder what heath does to ice though...

I think Justice did a great job in addressing the rainfall issue and I'll leave it at that.

Smith-b-d really needs to learn how to calm down and discuss issues like an adult. The fact that he keeps up with a ferocious attitude does keep me amused, however.

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Originally posted by ywhtptgtfo1:
Smith-b-d really needs to learn how to calm down and discuss issues like an adult. The fact that he keeps up with a ferocious attitude does keep me amused, however.

lol, like you? Insults are insults with or without swearing so pull your head out and quite prending your any better and stop being hypocritical.

And i like the fact that you think im ferocious... i take it this is your first time on the internet?

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Look up evaporation d_ck wh_t. The world is 77% water, the hotter the climate the stronger the winds get the more water evaporates the higher the humidity.
So yes, yes it f_cking does mean that it will get more humid, and the reference was not just about where i live... think about australia as a small little farm if you like, but its actually a big f_cking country.

A comment like this one can be interpreted as a pretty ferocious one though. Rather sure there are some rules against sneaking past the word filter (it's there for a reason) and atleast we generally have a friendlier attitude in the tavern and on the HoMM foru. As for the rest of the internet, probably more places were your post would be considdered the norm or gentle, but it pretty much depends on what kind of forums you are used to. I'm for instance pretty much only used to the friendlier atmospheric forums, since that's my choice. Might be that ywhtptgtfo1 has done the same.

The difference between those forums might not be all that big though. Some would say that the only differences are that the insults usually are more hidden, like these:

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I am sorry. Your skepticism has made me realize that higher global temperature is supposed to increase humidity everywhere. I wouldn't dare to call you ignorant anymore.

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Thanks. I'd rather read short and stupid comments than long and just as stupid ones.

So to some degree folkes like ywhtptgtfo1 and me probably are hypocritical, but we like ot live in the ilussion that more hidden insults and sarcasm make the discussion seem like it is on a higer level, atleast the language is, and the discussion might even be forced up to a higher level, since a sertain kind of language usual atracts a sertain type of people that again argument in a sertain way... But then again, it probably depends on what kind of language you use. So there is really no need to discuss it any further unless you are willing to be the grown up and change your language. I sertainly know that I'm not willing to be that

But for some reason I wonder how much this has to do with global warming so it would be great if you two just would agree on disagreeing and wouldn't do what I just did.- Go way off-topic due to an argument (which didn't even include me in the start).

Oh, it will certainly(thats a c Justice:P) become more humid generally if the temperature rises.
That's one of the bigger problems. The increase in carbon-dioxide in itself will only increase the temperature with ~0.5 degrees or something, but this increase will make sure that more water evaporates. The evaporated water works just like carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, reflecting heat coming out from the earth back to the earth again.
So:
humancaused increased carbon dioxide levels->
slightly increased temperature->
more water evaporates <-> temperature rises significantly
(this is called a feedback effect by the way)

However, even if humidity will certainly increase generally, it will not increase everywhere. It seems instead that(this is already happening) wet places will get more wet and dryer places even dryer.

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Originally posted by Red_orbiT_:
However, even if humidity will certainly increase generally, it will not increase everywhere. It seems instead that(this is already happening) wet places will get more wet and dryer places even dryer.

Would it not be possible that the places that get more wet and humid grow more, thus expanding the area that is wet and minimizing the places that are dryer? So in effect it seems like a bad thing at first, but in the long term turns out to be good.

Also the majority of the worlds fresh water is locked up in ice, other than what is under the ice i really dont see how freeing it up could be a bad thing, there are plenty of places that could do with it.

@justice, i'll try to keep my language down... (late nite posting is usually the cause :P)

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Originally posted by ywhtptgtfo1:
The fact that climate is heading towards a warmer direction does not mean your little farm will get humid.

...but i dont intend on just taking belittling comments such as those, when people belittle others and those others accept it they become it regardless of how they might actually be. It doesnt make the conversation high, just puts the others lower to give the appearance.

Just to clear the wet/dry up a little. This was explained in the movie.

Yes, we get more rain, but it falls in different places. More along coast lines and such. They didn’t explain the why, IIRC but my guess is that if there is more rain in the clouds it starts to rain earlier, before it gets inland, and once it is raining it triggers all the rain to fall.

Anyway, the paradox is that this also causes other lands to become dryer. Places like Kenia (sp) and the likes, more land inwards, first of all don’t get the rain because it drops before getting there, and on top of that the increased heat makes the little water that is in the ground evaporate, making the ground even dryer.

That is described, and I don’t disagree with that since it does make total sense.
The point (just to keep my argument going) is that this happened before. I don’t exactly know in which time it was, but in some dinosaur time frame most of the inside of Africa was a desert while most of the inside of the U.S was a lake because sea water was much, much, higher than it is today because there was no ice at all on the poles to keep the water in miles high reserves. Anyway, at that time both the U.S. and Africa was only livable along the coast line and some inwards of course, say the with of California.

One of the biggest problems is that because of the human expansion humans are now living in places where they really shouldn’t be living anyway and now when there is a drought somewhere, which was totally normal in that place for millennia, it’s suddenly a major disaster because thousands of people are dying.

That drought has always occurred in that spot and nature itself made plants and seeds and whatnot that can service it. But humans went there and populated it and now it’s all so terrible because it’s suddenly a catastrophically drought and people are dying. This never happened before.

Well, no, because with the last long drought ten years ago there weren’t yet people living there. Maybe the first real step would be for African armies to stop wards over diamantes and oil so that people didn’t have to flee the land that can sustain them and instead have to pull further into deserts Maybe the first step is to find just which pieces of land we really aren’t suitable for and just leave those to nature and then start trying to save the pieces of land that we can actually live on.

H.W.

Climate change report is wrong: academic
Thursday Apr 5 09:29 AEST

A interesting news article from ninemsn.

Not exactly abundant of data or scientists supporting his theory.- And I'm rather sure that Alias and his "has happened before" arguments will make short work of that theory

If he's short of time I can provide him with the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunspots

-Atelast that ought to be the right article if the name is similar to the Danish one.

But I, uh... need to know... what is it with this huge debate over Al Gore's film?

That’s really the sad part. 90% of the movie was all about trying to convince people that there IS actually global warming going on.

However the debate here in this topic is more about if this is man made of if this is a normal Earth thing that just happens to happen now for the first time at a time that Humans can actually experience it while the last time was, say in dinosaurs time.

Anyway, as I said, that’s really the sad part, that even at this time some people still actually need a movie to tell them that global warming is happening. And just as sad, because the movie spent so much time on that, there was actually little given in tips that we the small people can do. In fact, most tips were give in between the credits at the end of the movie.

But to answer the question, the great debate in the movie is ‘global warming is happening, see here is the evidence.’

H.W.

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Oh, it will certainly(thats a c Justice:P) become more humid generally if the temperature rises.
That's one of the bigger problems. The increase in carbon-dioxide in itself will only increase the temperature with ~0.5 degrees or something, but this increase will make sure that more water evaporates. The evaporated water works just like carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, reflecting heat coming out from the earth back to the earth again.
So:
humancaused increased carbon dioxide levels->
slightly increased temperature->
more water evaporates <-> temperature rises significantly
(this is called a feedback effect by the way)

It is more accurately called a feedforward effect or a positive feedback effect.

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That’s really the sad part. 90% of the movie was all about trying to convince people that there IS actually global warming going on.

Because a lot of people are not aware of the issue and are not equipped for a more in-depth debate. Perhaps wait for the sequel "A Yet More Inconvenient Truth"?

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lol, like you? Insults are insults with or without swearing so pull your head out and quite prending your any better and stop being hypocritical.

No, there isn't any hypocricy involved. I was praising the greatness of your arguments all along.

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And i like the fact that you think im ferocious... i take it this is your first time on the internet?

No, I like it though. It brings out your civility.

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I'm for instance pretty much only used to the friendlier atmospheric forums, since that's my choice. Might be that ywhtptgtfo1 has done the same.

Not necessarily a friendlier atmosphere, but you tend to expect people to act like adults especially when participating more serious discussions.

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However, even if humidity will certainly increase generally, it will not increase everywhere. It seems instead that(this is already happening) wet places will get more wet and dryer places even dryer.

I'd not be so quick to hypothesize that. I suspect the weather patterns will change leading to unusual humidity in some places and droughts in a few others - kind of like El Nino and La Nina. The net effect may be a dryer Earth perhaps.

Strange... but somehow seemingly interesting...