(Stealing the topic from CH's Corribus, but it's big enough for more than one forum)

1) Have you seen Al Gore's film?

2) How do you feel about global warming or other enviromental issues?

3) Have you experienced something connected to enviromental issues?

4) What can we do about these issues, is there anything to be done?

Question:
Do you think global warming is man made?

Choices:
yes
no
I don't beleive in it at all
I don't know

Question:
Would/is global warming bad in the long run?

Choices:
yes, very
yes, to some degree
no, not at all
no, not really
I don't know

Question:
Can global warming be stopped or reversed by humans?

Choices:
yes
to some degree
no
I don't know

Question:
What do you think of other enviromental issues? (for instance deforestation and toxic pollution into the atmosphere or ocean)

Choices:
They are very bad
They are bad
Not that bad
Not bad at all
I don't know

Question:
Do we gain more than we lose from the enviromental issues?

Choices:
Yes, we can't live like this in any other way and will find ways to neutralize the negative effects
Yes, more good than bad
No, more bad than good
No, it will or is getting back to us
No, we can't only think of ourselves
I don't know

Question:
Are you planning on or do you do yours to prevent these things?

Choices:
Yes, I do all I can
Yes, I do a bit
Not enough to say I do my bit
No, unfortuantly not
No, why bother.
I don't know

 

(1) No, but 3 teachers have talked about seeing it, and once one of them has shown it to us, I don't believe we will tell the other two, so I'll most likely see it 3 times ;|

(2) I feel rather bad about them. And I believe humans are to blame for most of the bad things happening just now.

2)I live in the Faroe Islands, although the Faraway Islands might be a better name, and just in my lifetime the climate, growth and currents have changed drastically. In the Faroes we live rather close to nature compared to other modern humans. Most of us butcher sheep each year, collect Grass for them, help farmers and if not that, then we catch pilot whales and eat them. We also have rather extreme weather here. The temperature is almost always the same (between minus 2 and 12 degrees), but the rest of our local clima is quite harsh at times, really peacefull at others and just plain depressing at other times. And as if those things weren't enough, then we also see lots and lots of green areas each day and we live of the ocean, so we always hear and notice what happens around us. So any Faroese thinks about what happens, but unfortunately the majority is too stupid to actually do something, although it seem to be changing now. And if the things that have happened here lately wouldn't be enough to open our eyes, then nothing would.

This year the global media has been talking a lot about all the strange weather phenomenas and such, although they always seem to blame it solely on humans rather than also taking the El Nino into account ;| however, in the Faores we've really noticed changes, whithout the aid of pros, the last five years. And those changes aren't just a bit less of snow, or unusually much water.

When I was a cute little boy, I lived in Denmark. I lived there until I was 3 years old, and kinda got used to the Danish climate, which is rather mild and predictable. But my parents didn't really thrive there, so we moved back up here. We arrived in summer, or so they told me. When I wanted to go outside to play I had to go outside in some kind of arctic frost proof suite, and frequently had to flee inside again due to the July hail. And each summer had Weeks like that, just like we had Winters with the temperature going all the way to minus 10 degrees Celsius. The last 4 - 5 years though, we've not had snow during summer, the winter temperature has perhaps reached minus 3 now and then (ofcourse resulting in more rain) and the seasons seem to have shifted by a month or so.

It's not only on dry ground we have problems. The Atlantic current, which goes right pass us, only big cap for it to go into is just north of us, has declined by 20 - 25% since we started to get numbers of that.- technically they range all the way from the late 19th century, but those numbers are everything but reliable. This may very well be a natural cycle though, since the strenght of the current affects the fish, and we have had periods of great hunger (not in my time though ) and other of extreme abundance of fish, and that may reflect the shifting pattern of the current. But still, even if that proved to be natural, then there are other reasons to stop polluting.

Fish, birds, whales and seals, to some degree also humans and animals, are far more frequently infertile, dead borne or freaks.- In Denmark I believe 10% of the human population has problems with infertility, and it is far worse in the ocean. Kin of Children of Sea scenario ;| and especially the bigger sea animals, whales and seals, are extremely badly hurt by this, while the fish just gets a bit less healthy (the positive features of eating fish still far outweigh the negative ones, no chance of poisoning there, but for how much longer?). You might ask how we know this much of the ocean. A small island group somewhere in the North Atlantic that you've never heard of. It's quite simple. We live of the small creatures, fish, so we have to know all there is to know about them. As for the bigger ones, we hunt them. We kill about 1000 pilot whales each year, and a few hundred seals. Now you might think that is cruel, but there is nowhere else that it is possible to examine whales as intensely as here, and we've have actually had several hunts just to help scientists (releasing the whales after they are trapped and monitored. Of course, it doesn't hurt that whale tastes extremely well, and at least we use the meat. The bigger countries, in our case it is especially Great Britain and Central America, just kill them slowly and painfully, without using them for anything. If anyone wants to exterminate them, then releasing all that **** into the ocean sure is the right way. But then again, they might just be trying to help us, or stop us form hurting the whales, because in a century or so, there won't be any whale. Perhaps the occasional mutated whale, but I doubt it'll be giant ;|

If it are all these things, man affecting climate or just all the bazillions of tons of toxic released into the atmosphere and ocean, doesn't really matter. Fact is that we are affecitng nature in a bad way. You might say it'll recover, but I don't see an reason to make living beings suffer unnecessarily. Our birds, that have been a sort of tourist trademark, are about to be exterminated in large areas. Not because we hunt them now and then, those areas have been left alone because they are in troubles, but because a) the fish is gone (the birds actually feed themselves here :| ) and b) infertility, yep. The same as the fish, seals and whales... not to speak of the seashells. Read it was 80% of them that were freaks and a large portion of the freaks infertile. On top of that it's our beloved sheep (and horses and cows and geese...) too. They are more frequently infertile, not as bad as the beings living in or of the sea though, and have gotten more harmfull mutations. All the animals are also getting children later now due to changed temperatures. Often resulting in those who afterall do survive to die due to being born on the wrong time of the year.


4) So what do we do? Surely we must be doing something, when we live so close to nature and know just what happens! Unfortunately though, the answer is... Nothing. Or pretty close to nothing atelast. The Faores are among the top 10 of polluters, compared to each citizen of course, and it isn't before now the politicans are really talking about it. And I believe the phenomenon "talking politicians" is known all around the world, so I won't have to explain why that doesn't give me much hope.
As to myself, I bike, I don't use much electricity.- Except from the PC, the phone, the radio, the light bulbs and all the music equipment of course. Don't use much oil.- When It isn't cold outside and I don't need a bath that is. Never drive.- Except the 4 times a week I need to be driven to tuba practice. And I generally don't support toxic stuffs.- Except when I want a snack or I'm just looking for a quick snack of course.
I don't believe we'll be able to "save" ourselves or the planet. We will continue polluting and destroying until it really threatens our very existence. Then we'll stop and if we survive we'll behave.- For a century or two.
Of course we, as we overall, could stop polluting if we spent a few billions. Easy peasy. bu we humans have smiting about money, so I don't really believe it will happen.

Good thread mate Seriously... where is the spammer?? LOL... Hopefully you are getting healed by yourself XD

Thanks Karta

- Although I would prefeer if we keep the offtopic on a minimum

I saw this film a few months ago, and I then proceeded to MAKE my wife and daughter watch it as well. I've since told all my employees to see it and anyone else I know. I thought I knew about global warming...I was wrong. I consider myself an intelligent person, but I was completely blown away by the information pointed out in this film. It was mind-boggling.

I have since started to recycle my trash, I've sold my Minivan and purchased a Prius Hybrid, my wife and I now commmute to work 2 times a week to save on gas, and numerous other small changes.

To any others who HAVEN'T seen this film...rent it! Yes it's a documentary, yes it's starring Al Gore....but the information that's contained in this film makes it worth the time and effort.

Haven't seen the movie.

But I am careful with the environment, I never throw litter around, but I do drive a car and I realize I am polluting the atmosphere but until we get hydrogen cars for reasonable prices I don't see another solution.

Climates changed all the time, although I do believe there is global warming and humankind is responsible for it. My grandpas/mas say they had weird seasons, and we continue to have them. For example last winter was bone chilling, but we almost had none of it this year.

People responsible for toxic waste should be incarcerated.

I dont buy this global warming bullsh_t, so far not much actuall research has been done into the effects of global warming, and most polititions such as al gore have just been making up random facts and figures for political reasons.
Dont misunderstand, polution isnt exactly doing any good for this planet but the temperature is not going to be a steadfast increase that bell curves into a uncontrolable increase that whipes species of plants and animals out... that is impossible, if anything it will increase a little then stop.

To me global warming is just a political exageration of polution problems we allready knew about, i do believe polution is a huge problem i just dont believe it is linked with global warming, nor do i believe we should be paying extra for implementing bullsh_t anti global warming policies which do nothing but net companies and the government a larger profit.

Some of my thoughts on the matter:
- Currently my parents live at lismore, lismore has just gone through one of the largest dry periods it has ever been through and my parents had to keep purchasing water to fill thier water tank because their was so little rain. However despite all this so called global warming the area is no longer in drought and the creeks are full & the grass green as it ever was and there has no longer been a need for purchasing water in the last year or so. Droughts and dry whether are simply no indication as to global warming, weather patterns change, seasons change even the shape of the earth changes... one would only assume that the temperature is bound to change as well... in other words its not mans fault. The earth & its species will adapt to evironmental changes the same as it always has in the past.

- If global warming exist there would be a large increase in humidity, Jungles & Rain forest benifit & bloom in such weather... so i guess you can see the contradiction in what the polititions are saying there.

- people are composed of a large amount of water (2/3rds or something like that), the more people the less water there is going to be in dams, creeks around cities, so its kinda like no **** that theres not enough water in brisbane, everyones been flocking there for years(not to mention birth rates) its about time it caught up with them.

- The hotter the planet gets the more water is evaporated into the atmosphere producing more clouds, clouds have this unique property of keeping us warm and at the same time reflecting sun light(just like ice does) over time reducing the temperature which isnt noticed usually till after they have fallen where the trapped heat below clouds is released up and the trapped cold above them drops down. The surface of the planet composed of roughtly 70% water, it is physically impossible for it to overheat due to this effect... the hotter it gets the more water evaporates the greater the cool down effect.

- they have only just reciently started the first official study into the effects of global warming on the environment here in australia, so why jump the gun before you know what its going to actually do... so far everything thats been said is just speculation by politics.

- The government wants us to be changed extra for the use of power simply so these power plants can implement stuff (stuff which has yet to be invented because it doesnt exist) to decrease green house emissions, dont know whether you know this but we already do pay these greedy bastards what they need to do this, they make millions profit for f_cks sake.

- it may be the one of the dryest periods in 'recorded climate history'(which is only the last 100 years or so) however through the study of the reefs, flora & fauna, tree rings, and cloral its has been proven that it is currently no where near as dry as australia once was and that there has be droughts that make any current ones seem insignificant in comparison, droughts hundreds of years long. Not to mention that some areas are seeing the heaviest rainfall they a seen in years.

- there has yet to be a world wide research into global warming! so much for the warming been global then right.

- Scientist have determined that it will take 100 years for it to increase a total of 6 degrees in australia. This means that the average temperature for the last year they researched was 0.06 degrees higher than normal, not only that but they have automatically assumed that this increased will be constant, so unless next years average temperature increases by yet another 0.06 degrees i feel perfectly safe in saying that global warming is just bullsh_t speculation, give it 10 year minimun for them to actually do some research into the matter before jumping to conclusions.

- so far polititions only interest into the matter of global warming has been in trying to get us to invest more of our money in to global warming reduction schemes.

you think global warming is BS?!?

Please, I'm freaking BEGGING you. Rent that film. There's not only scientific PROOF....there's buttloads of it. It's frightening how much there is of it.

And nearly all of your examples ARE examples of global warming...you're just not seeing how they're interconnected.

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Originally posted by C_h_u_c_k_l_e_s:
Rent that film.

I might out of interest. However i highly dislike such films because they portray such things as matter of fact without any consideration to opposing views, and after a quick five minute search on google about al'gores film the critism i found about the film was just that, that it presents information all information as factual.

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And nearly all of your examples ARE examples of global warming...you're just not seeing how they're interconnected.

No there not, there are examples of things that have always been and always will, the people who settled australia didnt call this the great brown land for no reason, its always had droughts and much worst ones at that.
As for the first thought i listed, i didnt make myself too clear then(didnt make myself too clear on any of them ), the area is no longer in drought and hasnt been for a year yet politics still claim it is.
READ
and also
this one

When viewing such a film as al'gores film you really must:
- research opposing views & critism completely to get the full picture
- consider the motivation of the creators, was it a quick buck from a already fearfull country or does it have a political agenda.
- consider the characteristics of the person presenting the presentation

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Richard S. Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT:
"A general characteristic of Mr. Gore's approach is to assiduously ignore the fact that the earth and its climate are dynamic; they are always changing even without any external forcing. To treat all change as something to fear is bad enough; to do so in order to exploit that fear is much worse."

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Roy Spencer, principal research scientist for the University of Alabama in Huntsville, wrote an open letter to Gore criticizing his presentation of climate science in the film:
"Temperature measurements in the arctic suggest that it was just as warm there in the 1930's...before most greenhouse gas emissions. Don't you ever wonder whether sea ice concentrations back then were low, too?"

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Former University of Winnipeg climatology professor Dr. Tim Ball reacted to Gore’s claim that there has been a sharp drop-off in the thickness of the Arctic ice cap since 1970. Ball wrote:
"The survey that Gore cites was a single transect across one part of the Arctic basin in the month of October during the 1960s when we were in the middle of the cooling period. The 1990 runs were done in the warmer month of September, using a wholly different technology."

On the web page for the movie under the so-called science science section all it does is list a bunch of points designed to scare you.

From the sounds of it the movie isnt worth a grain of salt, just another scare film like that 911 conspiricy one.

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Originally posted by C_h_u_c_k_l_e_s:
It's frightening how much there is of it.

Exactly. Scare tactics seem to be used in full in USA politics at the moment.
Also, just because the film says so, doesnt make it true.

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Exactly. Scare tactics seem to be used in full in USA politics at the moment.
Also, just because the film says so, doesnt make it true.

It's a figure of speech

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Originally posted by Oakwarrior:
It's a figure of speech

Yeah i know, but it still drives the point home.

IMHO not if it's a figure of speech...

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Originally posted by smith-b-d:
I dont buy this global warming bullsh_t, so far not much actuall research has been done into the effects of global warming, and most polititions such as al gore have just been making up random facts and figures for political reasons. .

Afraid that is far from the truth. Just here in the Faroes, a wee small country of 48.000 inhabitants, we have had tens of research projects of rather good quality. And it is not liek global warming is the least popular research study. Several scientific teams have and still are drilling the North pole's ice in order to examine how it has ben, others examine human data the last age, others examine the last five ages (ship logs and the likes), and so on and on. All in all it wouldn't surprise me if the amount of projects has reached the half million if we take everything into consideration, while the big ones probable only are a thousand or so.- And it weren't exactly politicians who started all this, since it's only ben the last years they actually win votes on it.

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Originally posted by smith-b-d:
Dont misunderstand, polution isnt exactly doing any good for this planet but the temperature is not going to be a steadfast increase that bell curves into a uncontrolable increase that whipes species of plants and animals out... that is impossible, if anything it will increase a little then stop.

An uncontrolable rise isn't necessary for whiping out species. A degree or in some case a half is enough to kill them. Especially vulnerable areas liek the Galapagos Islands will lose a few species because of that, and once they lose those few species, that'll make other loose food... Resulting in a chain reaction.
And as if that wasn't enough, then a steady rise that gets uncontrolable isn't that far fetched. It's the thing that has happened each time an ice age has ended, or started (in that case a fall).

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Originally posted by smith-b-d:
To me global warming is just a political exageration of polution problems we allready knew about, i do believe polution is a huge problem i just dont believe it is linked with global warming, nor do i believe we should be paying extra for implementing bullsh_t anti global warming policies which do nothing but net companies and the government a larger profit.

We've known about the problems for decades or ages, true enough, but it's not before the last decades we are starting to see the consequences so clearly, that all agree. Ofcourse it might turn out that all scientists are wrong, it has happened before, but why on earth take the risk because scientists "might" be wrong?
As for governments and sertain organisations making money on that... It's quite simply not true. The government would have to massivly change and expand what it controls in order to change these things, resultign in them actualyl loosing money. And it's the same with organisations. Only the folkes who decide to sell the things we need in order to make the world cleaner can make money out of it.

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Originally posted by smith-b-d:
Some of my thoughts on the matter:
- Currently my parents live at lismore, lismore has just gone through one of the largest dry periods it has ever been through and my parents had to keep purchasing water to fill thier water tank because their was so little rain. However despite all this so called global warming the area is no longer in drought and the creeks are full & the grass green as it ever was and there has no longer been a need for purchasing water in the last year or so. Droughts and dry whether are simply no indication as to global warming, weather patterns change, seasons change even the shape of the earth changes... one would only assume that the temperature is bound to change as well... in other words its not mans fault. The earth & its species will adapt to evironmental changes the same as it always has in the past.

For the first part, it's not possible to look at one are of the world, or country, and say that's how it is everywhere (had expected someone to critizise that in my post). For instance there are some insane Faroese politicians who think global warming would be good, because that will make the fish around Greenland and Iceland move to us. Just as some Northern Europeans think it will help us due to better agricultural possibilities and the possibility to sail where the North Pole now is. That Greenlanders and Icelanders will get into great problems due to their fish running away, and that Africa and other warm places will get into major problems is not so important. They can jsut stay in their palces and die, no way they will try to get to the better places. (I'll explain later why it doesn't create a netto of more water)

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Originally posted by smith-b-d:
- If global warming exist there would be a large increase in humidity, Jungles & Rain forest benifit & bloom in such weather... so i guess you can see the contradiction in what the polititions are saying there.

Well, this is later. It's true that humidity would increase. We would get a lot more of raind due to the airs increased capability to cary moisture, and because the oceans would give of more steam. But, there is quite a big but. It isn't only the ocean that gives of more moisture. Whatever rains down also goes up again. Allready now the water in warm areas are difficult to use because they disapear to quickly. The earth doesn't get eough time to recieve the moisture, it just goes right up again. And when they allready have problems now, then it won't exaclty get better if it gets even warmer. So I don't really see the contradiction.

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Originally posted by smith-b-d:
- people are composed of a large amount of water (2/3rds or something like that), the more people the less water there is going to be in dams, creeks around cities, so its kinda like no **** that theres not enough water in brisbane, everyones been flocking there for years(not to mention birth rates) its about time it caught up with them.

Not that strange seen in that light, but more heath won't help too much...

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Originally posted by smith-b-d:
- The hotter the planet gets the more water is evaporated into the atmosphere producing more clouds, clouds have this unique property of keeping us warm and at the same time reflecting sun light(just like ice does) over time reducing the temperature which isnt noticed usually till after they have fallen where the trapped heat below clouds is released up and the trapped cold above them drops down. The surface of the planet composed of roughtly 70% water, it is physically impossible for it to overheat due to this effect... the hotter it gets the more water evaporates the greater the cool down effect.

It'se true that skies reflect the sun and heath, but ice reflects more (an I guess you know what happens to ice when it gets warmer ). But even if we paly that they are equally reflective, then I fail to come to the same conclusion, that it is impossible for it to get warmer. A few times we've had extreeme ice ages, so extreeme, that most of the globe has ben covered. They were triggered by normal ice ages, and then the effect you jsut described took place, resulting in most of the globe being covered. But if what you said is true, then we would still be in a global ice age. I don't remember why the ice ages disapeared, but it were other factors.- Perhaps volcanoes, extreeme solar activity or some more complex feature of global weather. And we have had considerably warmer periods than this one before, so it is not impossible to to some feedback mecanism.- There are just too many mecanisms for anyone to come to such a conclusion. The only thing we can do is to act in accordance with the most probable theory, and at the moment it is global warming, and the very most scientists both agree that it is there and that humans are playing a major role. So, like I've said before, why risk something because scientist have been wrong before? They've also been right quite a few times...

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Originally posted by smith-b-d:
- they have only just reciently started the first official study into the effects of global warming on the environment here in australia, so why jump the gun before you know what its going to actually do... so far everything thats been said is just speculation by politics.

There have ben a lot of official and unofficial studies in other parts of the world.

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Originally posted by smith-b-d:
- The government wants us to be changed extra for the use of power simply so these power plants can implement stuff (stuff which has yet to be invented because it doesnt exist) to decrease green house emissions, dont know whether you know this but we already do pay these greedy bastards what they need to do this, they make millions profit for f_cks sake.

I do believe that we make quite a lot of more billions on poluting than cleaning.- Otherwise there wouldn't really be any resistance, since money probably is one of the main power facts in the world. And I've told you earlier in this psot that the government will have to sue more than it makes if it wishes to remain in power.

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Originally posted by smith-b-d:
- it may be the one of the dryest periods in 'recorded climate history'(which is only the last 100 years or so) however through the study of the reefs, flora & fauna, tree rings, and cloral its has been proven that it is currently no where near as dry as australia once was and that there has be droughts that make any current ones seem insignificant in comparison, droughts hundreds of years long. Not to mention that some areas are seeing the heaviest rainfall they a seen in years.

Australia isn't the only country in the world.- Actually I only heard about the drought there a month ago or so. But any drought starts with a year, then one more, one mroe, one more... And whenever there is a shortage of rain in one place. tHere is an abundance in some other place. Your local clima is decided by how the global and local act together, not the other way around. There for there will always, or almost always, be areas that benefit of sometihng that the majority, or minority, suffer from.

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Originally posted by smith-b-d:
- there has yet to be a world wide research into global warming! so much for the warming been global then right.

That's just untrue. I would understand if you complained aobut corrupted data, like weather stations moving to cities that naturally (or not that naturally actually) are warmer than non metropolitian places, but that is just not right since there have ben several world wide projects. Those kinds of projects don't consist of scientists going aroudn the world ot research, but of scientists collecting all known data from aroudn the world.- That is quite a lot easier with the internet and such.

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Originally posted by smith-b-d:
- Scientist have determined that it will take 100 years for it to increase a total of 6 degrees in australia. This means that the average temperature for the last year they researched was 0.06 degrees higher than normal, not only that but they have automatically assumed that this increased will be constant, so unless next years average temperature increases by yet another 0.06 degrees i feel perfectly safe in saying that global warming is just bullsh_t speculation, give it 10 year minimun for them to actually do some research into the matter before jumping to conclusions.

They say such numbers becuase that is how it has ben up till now, howeer, they have not said it will grow by 6 degrees. atelast no Celcius. They have said between 1 and 5 or between 1 and 10 in the most extreeme cases, 2 being the most likely rise.

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Originally posted by smith-b-d:
- so far polititions only interest into the matter of global warming has been in trying to get us to invest more of our money in to global warming reduction schemes.

Would you rather spend 1000 dollars now or spend whatever it costs to move or protect your place from being over run by fugitives and the increased food and water cost? And even if that didn't happen, we would live in a better world if we did follow those "schemes". Not because of world peace and such, but because crops won't be destroyed by acid rain and we won't get poluted ourselves by the air or the crops and poltry that are poluted. We would save billions upon billions in decreased health costs and less of job sickness days.

Sorry that I didn't have time to reread this for typos, but I got to go to my tuba practice.

Manbearpig?

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Australia isn't the only country in the world

This was never implied, it was never my intention to imply that what happens in one area happens in all, or that australias been the only place to do research. However according to our news alot of the research into global warming is been headed by australian research teams, and also according to our news the first actual research initiative (as opposed to just scientific speculation or aka just the opinions of some guy) into global warming has only just reciently begun around about september last year. Another first:Dated: Friday Mar 2 16:24 AED.

Can you backup these claims about previous research into global warming, a quick search in google showed nothing, nothing that wasnt just speculation or biased opinions.

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An uncontrolable rise isn't necessary for whiping out species. A degree or in some case a half is enough to kill them. Especially vulnerable areas liek the Galapagos Islands will lose a few species because of that, and once they lose those few species, that'll make other loose food... Resulting in a chain reaction.

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From 'an inconcievable truth':
More than a million species worldwide could be driven to extinction by 2050

Statements such as these are a huge heap of bullsh_t, there are 1.2 million recorded species on this planet, none of them are effected in the temperature changes suggested if you look at the temperature ranges they can survive in and campare them thier current evironments temperature (It is known a penguin can live between -60c & +30c, the average temerature of earth is only 14c... so even if global temperature were to rise by 26c there will still be a suitable habitate for penguins to live). Fish and other sea animals are the only creatures effected by such small temperature changes as they have suggested, but as anyone who has owned fish as pets knows they adjust if the changes are slow not instantainious... e.g. lobsters can survive up to increadible temperatures by doing this. Also species dont survive off a single diet e.g. mosquitoes can live off blood or pollen it makes not difference to them what type of plant or animal it comes from, does a lion care if it feeds off a human, goat or pig... no it couldn't care less, meats meat with the occaisional expection such as snake or tortious.. both of which can be either extremely poisionious or diseased.
Also one thing that has been indirectly learned through the introduction of species to new environments is that if you remove one animal the others thrive even better, this is because when you remove a species you are removing the preditor of another species alowing it to breed more & thus provide more food for its other preditors and so all other species make up for the loss of one, the environment balances itself better than we ever could.

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A few times we've had extreeme ice ages, so extreeme, that most of the globe has ben covered.

Oh really, were you there? do you have pictures or proof? pfftt, thought not... whether this is true or not i dont care, at the moment no ones convincing me of anything when they cannot back up there arguments without so much as a quote or reference... its nothing personal & im not calling you a liar or anything, i just once had a b_tch m_stress of a teacher(and researcher) once that really knew her stuff an rammed into me just how important quote & references are when trying to make a point.

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Originally posted by Infiltrator-SF:
People responsible for toxic waste should be incarcerated.

People responsible for toxic waste are the rulers of the world... The Rich C*&$)@#!G corporate A*_~>#?S.

Not a damn thig you can do about that... Nonhing can beat the money greed