Right, Heroes is very good and I believe Dark Messiah will be as well. But I'm hungering for a game that puts you completely free to explore Ashan and it's stories and backdrops. Noone of the above let you do that, they just point you a direction and say: "go"...

Basically, I'm saying:

"Now, give us a RPG"

Any thoughts?

hmm.... are you talking about a RPG similiar to the Elder Srolls and Neverwinter Nights?... a semi-open ended main quest with hundreds of hours of side quests and totally custom characters and and and based in the world of Ashan?... sounds good to me...


i mean imagine playing a dragon knight

I mean like Might and Magic, but basically, it's near that (save the open end). It must be Might and Magic because there are plenty of RPGs out there where you can evolve your character, make him unique, powerful... and alone... I want a M&M, where you make a group, not a character.

Well, I don't know how many strings you've got with UBI or others. But if you would have to make a petition for it, I would vote for it. I can totally relate with your topic, I only didn't know how to put it into words

sadly the party based rpg genre is dead.
R.I.P. old style might and magic games.

its all about single character "action rpg" games now. every single fantasy rpg game released in the past years has been that genre.

every developer that did make games where the player controlled four to six characters, is either bankrupt, or has moved on and makes action games now.

i dont think there is any hope of a M+M X

Originally posted by myythryyn

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sadly the party based rpg genre is dead.
R.I.P. old style might and magic games.

its all about single character "action rpg" games now. every single fantasy rpg game released in the past years has been that genre.

every developer that did make games where the player controlled four to six characters, is either bankrupt, or has moved on and makes action games now.

"Cough" Bioware "cough" Neverwinter Nights 2, "cough"

I don't see why no one makes a game in this format anymore. The last good one was Wizardry 8. I think that was 3 years ago now?? There should be a game for those of us who don't like to have a clickfest where we can't even see what is going on. But re-playing MM6 just doesn't cut it anymore, we have been spoiled by the slick graphics and the mouse.

is neverwinter nights a game where you have a party? from what ive seen in the pictures, and what ive read its just another single character game.

didnt bioware stopped the party based games after they put the baldurs gate game engine to rest?

we may have been spoiled by good graphics and a mouse interface, but it doesnt mean that they couldnt use todays graphics and a modern up to date interface to make MM X.
imagine if you combined HOMM and MM, in that when you had combat a mini battle screen came up, like small HOMM battlefield you could control tactically four-six heroes to fight, (like the old SSI dungeons and dragons games, but up to date graphics )and the rest of the game had oblivian type graphics and interface for world/dungeon exploration.

but even then, i really doubt ubisoft will take the risk of making an old fashioned game. if dark messiah is successful, theyll just make more of those games. so i think MMX is just a thing of dreams.

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Originally posted by myythryyn:
sadly the party based rpg genre is dead.
R.I.P. old style might and magic games.

its all about single character "action rpg" games now. every single fantasy rpg game released in the past years has been that genre.

every developer that did make games where the player controlled four to six characters, is either bankrupt, or has moved on and makes action games now.

i dont think there is any hope of a M+M X

You didn't say they all had to be present in a single battle so...

*cough cough* Knights of the Old Republic (both), Final Fantasy X, Dragon Quest: Journey of the Cursed King, Final Fantasy 1, 2, and 4 (rereleases).... *cough cough*

Shall I go on?

There's still room for turn-based rpgs, just have to be somewhat creative with the battle system. Also, this could work as a party-based action rpg, just have the other charecters A.I. controlled, or better yet, allow co-op, either online or locally (hopefully both).

Oh, also, nice job with attempting to prove your point by creating too fine a distinction. 3 charecter parties are still party-based, even two-charecter can be. Eliminating 3 charecter parties is pointless.

Originaly posted by myythryyn

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is neverwinter nights a game where you have a party? from what ive seen in the pictures, and what ive read its just another single character game.


didnt bioware stopped the party based games after they put the baldurs gate game engine to rest?

even if it is, i really doubt ubisoft will take the risk of making an old fashioned game. if dark messiah is successful, theyll just make more of those games.

Neverwinter 1 had 2 characters you controled, the main character, and his companion, who could be changed as needed throughout the game.
Neverwinter 2 will have 3 characters.
Not every game has to be single character FPS style,they`re only so common because they`re easier to write, bang em out quick for the click fest kiddies

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Originally posted by myythryyn:
sadly the party based rpg genre is dead.
R.I.P. old style might and magic games. …

… i dont think there is any hope of a M+M X

Oh ye of little faith. Of course there's hope for a "party based RPG" Might & Magic X! Time to bring back another winner.

Party based RPG Might & Magic ETERNAL!!

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*cough cough* Knights of the Old Republic (both), Final Fantasy X, Dragon Quest: Journey of the Cursed King, Final Fantasy 1, 2, and 4 (rereleases).... *cough cough*.

the examples you gave are mostly console games, some that had pc adaptations. there are fewer and fewer turn based console games too, hardly any.
knights of the old republic you could have multiple characters, but it was more an action rpg then a turn based might and magic game.

dragon warrior is only console, but that game took years to be developed and released in north america, im sure it will be the last.

i wouldnt count the older final fantasy games as recent releases,and the more recent ones cannot be called open ended rpg's they are more like interactive movies with turn based combat, and no choices in what characters you have, and a very linear storyline.

i still say that there hasnt been a game similar to might and magic released for years, wizardy and baldurs gate being the last.
and i really dont count those games with the AI controlled companions. those just arnt the same.

i only said four to six characters since that is what most of the games could/did have.

i guess time will only tell if another game like might and magic is made, though i doubt it, sorry for my lack of faith hodge podge

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Originally posted by myythryyn:

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*cough cough* Knights of the Old Republic (both), Final Fantasy X, Dragon Quest: Journey of the Cursed King, Final Fantasy 1, 2, and 4 (rereleases).... *cough cough*.

the examples you gave are mostly console games, some that had pc adaptations. there are fewer and fewer turn based console games too, hardly any.
knights of the old republic you could have multiple characters, but it was more an action rpg then a turn based might and magic game.

dragon warrior is only console, but that game took years to be developed and released in north america, im sure it will be the last.

i wouldnt count the older final fantasy games as recent releases,and the more recent ones cannot be called open ended rpg's they are more like interactive movies with turn based combat, and no choices in what characters you have, and a very linear storyline.

i still say that there hasnt been a game similar to might and magic released for years, wizardy and baldurs gate being the last.
and i really dont count those games with the AI controlled companions. those just arnt the same.

i only said four to six characters since that is what most of the games could/did have.

i guess time will only tell if another game like might and magic is made, though i doubt it, sorry for my lack of faith hodge podge

You didn't specify pc, what's wrong with console rpgs? Generally the pc market for such games is drying up, why not put it on consoles, though porting it to pc is a nice touch. Remember, 3DO originally MADE a console.

Hmmm, Knights of the Old Republic, an action rpg? Did you actually play it, obviously not so let me explain, it LOOKED like an action rpg, but it was menu-based, akin to chrono trigger, except that you could change position manually (or for melee attacks, it would be done automatically). For all relevent combat purposes it was turn-based. Anyway, what's wrong with action-rpgs, they can still be party based, Legend of Mana for instance (an older game, but still).

Actually, the new Dragon Quest game pretty much proved that there's still room for turn-based rpgs in the U.S., so instead of less, there's gonna be more (coincidently, Square-Enix chose this time to finally release the real FFIII in the U.S.).

How can you not count them, remember they were recently released again and saw considerable sale, which is important from a marketing standpoint, because that's what makes a company decide whether more games of that style will be made. As for the newer ones, where in the post that I quoted, did you say open-ended. A party-based rpg doesn't have to be open-ended.

While said games might not be VERY similar, they are similar to warrent game publishers to look further into the genre which has been neglected as of late, because they were successful, in all stated cases.

As for 4-6 charecters simply being the total charecters on average, good. That's what I thought you said

Personally, I've seen good activity of late in the party-based rpg genre, so I think we'll see another of this type in the form of Might and Magic.

1. The thread is in wrong section, I believe. The moderator should move it to heroes tavern. This is homm5 section

2. We deserve mm10, after 3do hurt us with mm9. Although the storyline was fine, the so called "3d" graphics almost killed me.

3. Just yesterday, I started playing mm6 again. It can still be fun, especially when you know the secret, which speeds up the game a lot. Beautiful music and "living" world make up for old graphics.

what was/is so great about Might and Magic RPGs?

I only played VI and while some things that they ripped off the greatest RPG of all time (Betrayal at Krondor) were nice, the gameplay/fighting and story sucked.

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Originally posted by BTOG46:
Originaly posted by myythryyn

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is neverwinter nights a game where you have a party? from what ive seen in the pictures, and what ive read its just another single character game.


didnt bioware stopped the party based games after they put the baldurs gate game engine to rest?

even if it is, i really doubt ubisoft will take the risk of making an old fashioned game. if dark messiah is successful, theyll just make more of those games.

Neverwinter 1 had 2 characters you controled, the main character, and his companion, who could be changed as needed throughout the game.
Neverwinter 2 will have 3 characters.
Not every game has to be single character FPS style,they`re only so common because they`re easier to write, bang em out quick for the click fest kiddies

To be exact, NWN1 wasn't really about party control; you had total control over your main character, but your henchmen (up to two of them, not one) could only be issued general orders like "attack everyone on sight" or "protect me". NWN2 is another story though: you still have a main character but your have total control over every member of your party (up to 4, i think).

Come to think of it, the new NWN2 toolset would be a great opportunity to recreate a M&M rpg.

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Originally posted by pavel44:
I only played VI and while some things that they ripped off the greatest RPG of all time (Betrayal at Krondor) were nice, the gameplay/fighting and story sucked.

I'm by no means a RPG expert, but are you sure MMVI ripped of Krondor and it wasn't Krondor that ripped of the earlier M&M games? /user

And since this thread isn't about Heroes -> Moved to the general board. /mod

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I only played VI and while some things that they ripped off the greatest RPG of all time (Betrayal at Krondor) were nice, the gameplay/fighting and story sucked.

You DO know there were a grand total of 5 M&M's before VI, right?

*cough Bioware cough Obsidian cough*

Damm man... lotta iritated throats in this thread.

totally agree with Sandro.
moreover i suggest MMX could be an ORPG