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Originally posted by jazzmail:
It's their forum. Nothing public about that, so why care at all what Bioware do with it?

I never had any problems with those guys. Devs occasionally talk about the games, chat with forum rats; they don't have to.
Also if you managed to get banned there you prolly made an effort.

Ofcourse its their forum. But if ppl cant put forth actual criticism concerning their games then its FUBAR.

As for me deserving a ban, not blooyd likely. As I said. I told one of their mods to shove it and he banned me. Why I told him? Cause he was being an asswipe. He couldnt moderate a board properly even if he got a dummies guide...
After that I completly gave up on the notion that anything sensible would be coming from Bioware.

Jazzmail, they sure can act like little spoiled kids in a sand playground, but isn't it really moronic when that's in fact a widely known pc-game company?
Oh, and they're very easy on bans.. Can you imagine I got warned with a PM because I've called someone a fanboy of Bioware? It seems touching those people there who think Bioware, oh the perfection itself, can do no wrong is like touching the ban-stick. And the only level of ban they have is PERMA ban.

Anyway, I came there in the first place because I saw this Dragon Age material on the internetz publicized as an rpg which will be the "spiritual" successor of Baldur's Gate (because Bioware accredits BG entirely to itself).
The first thing you stumble across when you're looking for Dragon Age on the Bioware site is this:
http://dragonage.bioware.com/
The first line is; "Dragon Age™ is a blockbuster fantasy role-playing game set in a vast new world created by BioWare."

How can it be called a fuc*ing blockbuster if they haven't even announced its release date and without having a publisher. This "blockbuster" part is there over 1(2?) year(s) now.. so they "knew" it's a blockbuster even before they started designing levels. It shows the level of their arrogancy.

In an interview dated 7.12.2006. the producer/project director of Dragon Age, Scott Greig, stated that the approximate release of Dragon Age will be late 07./early 08.
"Most of Dragon Age's production efforts till now have focused on creating powerful tools, but Greig says the content will come together quickly enough for a winter 2007/early 2008 release."
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3155733

So the project director himself stated that in about 1 year Dragon Age will be released.

I then opened a topic about this information with the link of course. First the topic gets deleted because it's speculation (so actually they have a producer speculating about release dates of the game he's directing/producing!? or what?) and then a bio-moron opens another thread about his "accidental" deletion of the thread in question: http://forums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=569270&forum=84&sp=0
Then there's this post of the fat, ugly and bald lead writer David Gaider who states: "Scott, as project director, obviously was not wrong when he made that statement and indeed what he said may still hold true."
But then, on the 2nd page of the same topic he suddenly changes his point of view and closes the topic (a lead writer closes topics there..): "so let's end the speculation on the speculation". So David, is it just speculation, or "obviously was not wrong when he made that statement"? And we're talking about the statement of the project director not about what aunty Ruth has said. But it seems that WE are speculating when just reporting what he said. Unbelievable children.

Oh, and I have been called "a repeated troll with a serious axe to grind" by.. ta-ta-ta, who else than the best lead writer evaa: David Gaider.
Maybe I'll get my own NPC character in this Dragon Stage? I see I'm a big inspiration for them.

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How can it be called a fuc*ing blockbuster if they haven't even announced its release date and without having a publisher. This "blockbuster" part is there over 1(2?) year(s) now.. so they "knew" it's a blockbuster even before they started designing levels.

Blockbuster? That's being modest. So. Starcraft 2 preaches about being the game with a "groundbreaking single-player campaign" and being the "ultimate competitive online game". Same with, say, Gears of War... OR god forbid, even NWN2.
It's called advertising. Look behind every game's box and you'll see the same thing "groundbreaking", "amazing", "breathtaking", and so ****ing on and so ****ing forth.

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As for me deserving a ban, not blooyd likely. As I said. I told one of their mods to shove it and he banned me.

I think I know you enough to think you would do the same

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Oh, and they're very easy on bans.. Can you imagine I got warned with a PM because I've called someone a fanboy of Bioware? It seems touching those people there who think Bioware, oh the perfection itself, can do no wrong is like touching the ban-stick. And the only level of ban they have is PERMA ban.

Yeah they are quite strict when it comes to the ToU. Insulting included.

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But if ppl cant put forth actual criticism concerning their games then its FUBAR.

Eh, the only problems with this I have seen in the NWN 2 threads. After the thread had become a flaming fest, tbh.

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For example, they've decided there should be no more topics about MMO so they've been closing every MMO topic ever since

LOL. Now that IS insane.

Oh, and Aldy, isn't being a mod on a forum like... being a volunteer? Like you? You don't represent Ubisoft. I think he didn't represent Bioware either.

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Originally posted by Alderbranchh:
As for me deserving a ban, not blooyd likely. As I said. I told one of their mods to shove it and he banned me. Why I told him? Cause he was being an asswipe.

That's a very predictable ban.
Most of these moderators are just old hands who get elevated to moderator. It doesn't automaticly make them suitable. If one of them has a big ego, there you got the result.

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Originally posted by Plemenit:
Jazzmail, they sure can act like little spoiled kids in a sand playground, but isn't it really moronic when that's in fact a widely known pc-game company?

David Gaider and those other devs on the forum are just employees really. What they say is mostly on their own title.
I'm not worried even if they act like complete morons.

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Oh, and they're very easy on bans.. Can you imagine I got warned with a PM because I've called someone a fanboy of Bioware?

It was just a warning then. No big deal. Those warnings don't do anything.

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It seems touching those people there who think Bioware, oh the perfection itself, can do no wrong is like touching the ban-stick. And the only level of ban they have is PERMA ban.

Yeah, those moderators are overly concearned a post like that may result in a flame.
On the perma banning instead of temporal actually makes sense: once they've made up their minds that they don't want somebody around, why should they bother to allow him come back?

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"spiritual" successor of Baldur's Gate (because Bioware accredits BG entirely to itself).

BG2 and the expansion was entirely their own work.

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"Dragon Age™ is a blockbuster fantasy role-playing game set in a vast new world created by BioWare."

Sure there's a lot of noise and chest beating going on, but what would you expect from any commercial business? I reckon it's no different for Canadian companies than for the US or anywhere else.
That's just marketing bull****. No worries.

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Oh, and I have been called "a repeated troll with a serious axe to grind" by.. ta-ta-ta, who else than the best lead writer evaa: David Gaider.

Just don't let it get to you. It's not like his opinion counts for much.
I'd laugh if a dev called me a troll.

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Originally posted by jazzmail:

That's a very predictable ban.
Most of these moderators are just old hands who get elevated to moderator. It doesn't automaticly make them suitable. If one of them has a big ego, there you got the result.

Well, I don't know why alder got banned but I can assure you that most of the banning gets done by Bio employees- i.e. the infamous idiot (community manager) Chris Pristley.

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David Gaider and those other devs on the forum are just employees really. What they say is mostly on their own title.
I'm not worried even if they act like complete morons.

Oh, no, no. There's a big "B" next to every topic he posts in, thus he's not a "normal" user. He's, in a way, representing Bioware- he's posting as a developer on the forum of the game he's developing.

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It was just a warning then. No big deal. Those warnings don't do anything.

Actually, I contested this and claimed that there should be some freedom of speech.. and bum, I got banned.

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On the perma banning instead of temporal actually makes sense: once they've made up their minds that they don't want somebody around, why should they bother to allow him come back?

Actually, it doesn't make sense. People, like myself, will just get a new account and be very mean this time and will really start disrupting their forums. No way to stop me when you make me (a bit) angry.

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Sure there's a lot of noise and chest beating going on, but what would you expect from any commercial business? I reckon it's no different for Canadian companies than for the US or anywhere else.
That's just marketing bull****. No worries.

This will be the response to Oak also;
It's not about marketing, it's about the word used.
They simply CAN'T say it's a "blockbuster".
They can claim it will be a groundbreaking, heartbreaking and headaching game (or whatever) but they can't claim Dragon Age is this:
"Something, such as a film or book, that sustains widespread popularity and achieves enormous sales."
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blockbuster
Because they haven't sold a single copy yet.
They can say it's a blockbuster only after this game hits the shelves and if the sales are significant.

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Just don't let it get to you. It's not like his opinion counts for much.
I'd laugh if a dev called me a troll.

I did laugh at it. I just reported it in the context of the argument. That's a line he threw in when he closed the topic he described as "speculation on the speculation" (about D.A. release date).

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Originally posted by jazzmail:
BG2 and the expansion was entirely their own work.

*cough* Actually it was Black Isle that did the important things for the game in the first place...

I mean come on just look at Black Isle's Planescape: Torment then look at BG2... Items such as "Dak'kon's Zerth Blade" and "Vhailor's Helm" are both references to characters the player would meet in Planescape...

Even some of the humor is there in BG. The Black Isle humor that is...

Oakwarrior: Concerning the ban, then you dont know me. At all.

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Oakwarrior: Concerning the ban, then you dont know me. At all.

Umm.. would you rather prefer the beltsander and glue gun?

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Originally posted by Alderbranchh:

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Originally posted by jazzmail:
BG2 and the expansion was entirely their own work.

*cough* Actually it was Black Isle that did the important things for the game in the first place...

I mean come on just look at Black Isle's Planescape: Torment then look at BG2... Items such as "Dak'kon's Zerth Blade" and "Vhailor's Helm" are both references to characters the player would meet in Planescape...

Even some of the humor is there in BG. The Black Isle humor that is...

The first thing you see when you start up bg1 & bg2 is a huge black isle logo, i didnt even know bioware was involved in any of the baldurs gates till i looked it up on the wiki the otherday. As far as im concerned bioware made the infite engine and then black isle made the rest.

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The first thing you see when you start up bg1 & bg2 is a huge black isle logo, i didnt even know bioware was involved in any of the baldurs gates till i looked it up on the wiki the otherday. As far as im concerned bioware made the infite engine and then black isle made the rest.

Exactly the same here.

Ok, people.. enough of chit-chat. We don't want to just talk talk talk like Bioware in their games (there's a tv version of what Bioware does in their games: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lq7Ta-qtUE ), DO WE?
As a result, when playing Bioware's recent games, it feels like reading large books.

Help me to teach them a lesson! PM me! I need 3-4 people at least.

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Originally posted by smith-b-d:

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Originally posted by Alderbranchh:

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Originally posted by jazzmail:
BG2 and the expansion was entirely their own work.

*cough* Actually it was Black Isle that did the important things for the game in the first place...

I mean come on just look at Black Isle's Planescape: Torment then look at BG2... Items such as "Dak'kon's Zerth Blade" and "Vhailor's Helm" are both references to characters the player would meet in Planescape...

Even some of the humor is there in BG. The Black Isle humor that is...

The first thing you see when you start up bg1 & bg2 is a huge black isle logo, i didnt even know bioware was involved in any of the baldurs gates till i looked it up on the wiki the otherday. As far as im concerned bioware made the infite engine and then black isle made the rest.

No, just look in the Baldur's Gate 2 manual: only 7 names for Black Isle (and none of those programmers or artist or designers). The work was done by Bioware.
The logo is there for the bits that Black Isle already did previously. 90% of that was lending some Icewind Dale monster files to Bioware.

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Originally posted by jazzmail:
No, just look in the Baldur's Gate 2 manual: only 7 names for Black Isle (and none of those programmers or artist or designers). The work was done by Bioware.
The logo is there for the bits that Black Isle already did previously. 90% of that was lending some Icewind Dale monster files to Bioware.

... thats not really the point, we just dont like bioware because of nwn & nwn2 :P
http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/baldurs-gate/credits - detailed credits can be found here.

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Originally posted by smith-b-d:

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Originally posted by jazzmail:
No, just look in the Baldur's Gate 2 manual: only 7 names for Black Isle (and none of those programmers or artist or designers). The work was done by Bioware.

... thats not really the point, we just dont like bioware because of nwn & nwn2 :P
http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/baldurs-gate/credits - detailed credits can be found here.

OK, so now we learned that BG1 was developed by Bioware also.

NWN 2 was developed by Obsidian (using the engine from Bioware and then modifying it).
Obsidian is basicly ex-Black Isle employees under a new company.

Update about the story-driven ducks:

One guy posted a topic; "So when the heck are going to release it? Maybe you should post some Faq's and updates on your webpage to let people know instead of guessing, but I guess that is normal Bioware communication as always."

And then comes in Scott Meadows ("tools guy") with this: "We are a private company and as such have no obligation to let the community know when we enter alpha or beta phases." And closes the topic.

This company doesn't stop to amaze me. In a negative way, of course.

Again. You might want to be reminded of Epic's or Blizzard's stance on release dates.

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Originally posted by Oakwarrior:
Again. You might want to be reminded of Epic's or Blizzard's stance on release dates.

Who are you? Their lawyer? Well, you're a bad one.. they should fire you. Blizzard is respectful with their customers.
Their (Blizzard's) stance on release dates doesn't concern me nor is it a rule how it should be.

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Originally posted by Justice:

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David Gaider (lead writer): "Feel free to speculate, as well as argue. Just don't be an a** about it. I, on the other hand, I may decide to be an a** if I wish, on immersion or any other topic. But that's because this is my house and YOU are the guest here. And because life's not fair."
http://forums.bioware.com/viewtopic.html?topic=567938&forum=84&sp=60
That's a person who clearly doesn't understand the customer-seller relation. Oh, by the way, that topic got closed. Big shock, I know. :roll eyes:

got to like that person
- Somehow he reminds me of FCY.

I'll take that as a big compliment. And I'm not being sarcastic.

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Originally posted by FCY-JMDK-WLKY:

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Originally posted by Justice:

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David Gaider (lead writer): "Feel free to speculate, as well as argue. Just don't be an a** about it. I, on the other hand, I may decide to be an a** if I wish, on immersion or any other topic. But that's because this is my house and YOU are the guest here. And because life's not fair."
http://forums.bioware.com/viewtopic.html?topic=567938&forum=84&sp=60
That's a person who clearly doesn't understand the customer-seller relation. Oh, by the way, that topic got closed. Big shock, I know. :roll eyes:

got to like that person
- Somehow he reminds me of FCY.

I'll take that as a big compliment. And I'm not being sarcastic.

Hehehe..
On the other hand, he (david g.) surely took as a compliment when I answered to his a** comment with this:

"Heh, what a pathetic and frustrated ugly piece of lard* you are.
Do you realise we're the customers and you're the one who's begging and hoping we'll buy your product? You don't have to be very intelligent to figure that out..
So, no, you're the one who must eat our s**t, and not the other way around."

*He is an ugly piece of lard, I saw his photo somewhere.

Oh give it a rest.

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Originally posted by jazzmail:
Oh give it a rest.

I won't. This is restless. Although, you could take a rest from this topic if you want.
Don't worry, Bioware has its own lawyers.. Oak, writers, tools guys etc.