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Well, if we, purely theoretically, say that Alderbranch isn't the one and only God, but that there excists another reality outside the HoMM Tavern, then who is he? Or what is he?
Ofcourse he must be a male... No way he could be a woman  but apart from that? Is he a lazy guy, appearing now and then to make fun of us. Did he accidentally create us (or the universe), and decided not to do anything about it. Did we create him? Is he a part of our universe? Does he abide the natural laws? Is he perhaps a civilization so advanced, that it has found means of altering and bending the natural laws and reality to it's will? Well? Freedom - a mountain in the distant sky, love in the grass, birds on the vast plains of the sea, fire under the stars Freedom - I treasure your sight, I follow your sweet sound, I smell your dreams, I taste your tears. Freedom - how do I define you? I see you - when I turn away I hold you -when my hands are full I kiss you - when you aren't here Freedom - Never shall you be more than a name to me |
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Well, I opened this thread thinking it's about me.
As I see it's not, and not being sure yet if Just meant a serious funny debate on the subject or just a spammy funny debate, I'm gonna wait to see how things evolve before I cast my answer.  Member of the Heroes of Might and Magic V Rescue Team . . . > Still waiting for a better game. |
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@Zamolxis108
Its just another spam thread , hopefully it doesn't turn nasty like most usually do. Fine then, ill go first. You should've done these questions as a poll for a bit of fun.
Well, Man is said to reflect the image of God with women taken from man... so i guess His male then, but i dont really see why we have to categorize him as either sex just because as humans we have male/female sexes.
Hell yes, think of it this way, if he created the universe in 7 days and hasn't done anything since then what else would he be doing, what anyone else would be doing in his position, sitting back enjoying the show... throwing in perhaps a few natural disasters to stir the pot up a bit every now and then. Michelangelo believed the same thing painting God as a cheeky God in many of his paintings, in one of them His even giving us the moon :P, luckly for us it wasn't the bird instead 
God doesn't play dice, everything was created for a purpose.
Not Him, but some of them, false gods have been around almost since the beginning.
No, we are part of Gods universe.
Wouldn't be much of a God if He did would He?
Some people believe so, but that begs the question as to then who/what would've created that civilisation? But i do like to think of God & angelic beings as having a society not totally unlike ours with politics, laws and so on...
Our reality is only what we can determine using any of our senses, its really not that hard to change when you think about it... e.g. my mouse is on my desk, this is part of my reality, but if i put the mouse on the floor the reality of my mouse being on the desk no longer exist. As for natural laws, they are also easy to manipulate, you can also use one natural law to manipulate another... e.g. a spining object creates its own center of gravity, magnets can be used to disobey gravety and gravity can be used to create magnetic feild and so on... ... but yes none of thats what you imply, im just being a jerk. For what you imply to be possible our reality would have to exist wholy inside of another, kinda like people existing in the matrix while the matrix existed inside of the real world, or a NPC with AI existing inside of a PC... but who are we to judge if thats the case? after all we would only be able to use what we have been givin to use to judge with. I once heard a christian scientist explain his way of understanding God once, which was. He likened Gods existence to that of radiation, He said, You cannot see radiation you cannot touch radiation you cannot smell it, taste it or hear it, it exist everywhere and can pass right through you without notice, no human sense we are born with can detect it in any way. The only way we learnt of its existance was through the way it has a effect on the world around us. So why isnt it possible God exist in the same way? If your thinking "well we can detect radiation with a geiger counter", well then just replace radiation with dark matter or dark energy both of which are impossible to detect except for the effect they have on gravity at the outer parts of our galaxy. Well, time to don the flame retardent suit and prepare for the backlash. This message has been edited. Last edited by: smith-b-d, |
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I thought so...  Well, to save some space, I'll generally susbscribe to most of smith-b-d's post, with only some comments on this (non-believers can skip the boring rest of the post): IMO either indeed, there's no need to cathegorize Him/Her based on the same gender principle that us (humans) follow, either we could put things a bit in perspective, and look for a compromise conclusion: Considering this world was created to reflect God's image, if we look at all living organisms, we see some are gender-divided, some not. I like here the Hindu philosophy where God, in his One-ness, has different aspects. There is the male aspect - the desire - and the female aspect - the Shakti, the power, the energy God needs in creation. My guess is that God reflected the principle of creation in all organisms same as two methaphors, although different, reflect the same thing. This way the most simple organisms had asexual reproduction, with more evolved ones having both male & female functions in the same body, ending up with total separation between the two, to enrich diversity, however still needing to "become one" in order to create. And that is said also in religious texts, but not always very obvious. IIRC the Genesis says we are created "After God's image: male and female". Also, the early Gnostics, used to call the Holy Ghost "Sophia" - a female name - meaning they were regarding it as the female part of God (the Shakti in Hindu religion). The concept can be found in many religious texts, however ignored or even destroyed by high clerigy. Pope John Paul the 1st (same one who tried to launch the concept of "Humilitas", asking the church to give up all the pomp & stuff) tried to bring this up again. He managed to end one of his services with "We would like to thank the God Father, and the God Mother...". Unfortunately though they killed him only few days after he became pope, the day after he ordered an internal inquiry into Vatican's treasury books ('Guess good guys never survive at Vatican). The point is - denied or not by the male dominated clergy - the female aspect of God has always been there, as the creating energy of God - hence the reason why the woman was chosen to be the one baring the child. Member of the Heroes of Might and Magic V Rescue Team . . . > Still waiting for a better game. |
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God is Alderbranch... that's all I know O_O
______________________________ Mad Prophet/High Oracle of the Cult of Alderbranch.(now without a picture in his sig) Mah Devart! Bash My Confined Space Free Jellybeans  and cookies Honorific member of the Romanian Mint Rubbing Association |
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hey Zam that reminded me of hermaphrodites
 surely, i've heard something similar being in other not-well-known religions as well! |
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WTF? God doesn't even have a body to start with, He could actually be made up of multiple universes for all we know O_o, how could She possibly have a gender? I mean, what's the point? It's not like He has anyone to do it with, there is only one God remember... erm... and it's Alderbranch of course >.>;
______________________________ Mad Prophet/High Oracle of the Cult of Alderbranch.(now without a picture in his sig) Mah Devart! Bash My Confined Space Free Jellybeans and cookies Honorific member of the Romanian Mint Rubbing Association |
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*pats Madman*
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Dacian Lord |
QFE Member of the Heroes of Might and Magic V Rescue Team . . . > Still waiting for a better game. |
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When I think of the concep "Created in God's Image" I don't think it refers to our appearance. I think it refers to the spiritual. But of course, we cannot know...
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God created us in His image not in that we walk on 2 leggs, have hands with 4 fingers and a thumb, and talk. God created us in His image in that we have the ability to think creatively, to make a choice, and most importantly to love. That is what seperates us from every other of God's creations even the angels. We have the ability to love. The angels serve God because that is all that they can do. They don't khave the choice, but I serve God because I choose to love ans serve Him.
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Agree. |
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How about a newt?
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I rather hoped it wouldn't be... And yeah, I thought about the poll, but I would rather like to see what you think compared to what you think about what I think...
*puts in Secret's post here* althoug it also just might be the abbility to see the difference of good and evil/free choice. AFter all, if we didn't have those abbilities right from the start, then there would be no reason for God to punish us for listening to the snake, since we wouldn't be able to understand what we did without those abbilities.
A great way to say it although I'm more apth to think he got tired of waiting for the evolution to really kick of and put a finger into the game now and then.- Personally I also believe he sent Jesus and probably some of the prophets are real prophets.
QFE, althoug some things might have a "bigger" purpose.
I agree with the first part. The later part I'm not so sure of. After all, we have democarcy and such because no single person is perfect, so trany or monarchy doesn't work as well as if we put all our positiv sides together. However, God wouldn't be much of a God if he isn't more or less perfect... Or as close as you get to perfect atleast.
There is also the Russian astronaut and the brain doctor who were discussing. The astronaut said "Ach, I really don't understand you people. God and all that, I mean, I've ben into space countless of times, and yet I've never seen him or any celestial heaven." To which the doctor replied "I've ben a brain surgeon most of my life, worked with the brains of some of the msot intelligent folkes, and some less intelligent. But still I've never seen a single thought". Freedom - a mountain in the distant sky, love in the grass, birds on the vast plains of the sea, fire under the stars Freedom - I treasure your sight, I follow your sweet sound, I smell your dreams, I taste your tears. Freedom - how do I define you? I see you - when I turn away I hold you -when my hands are full I kiss you - when you aren't here Freedom - Never shall you be more than a name to me |
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Ahhh, but eating the apple was neither good or evil, its the fact that they chose to listen to the serpent over God (His a jeolous God remember?) and thus chose to take our fate into our own hands... they were told that eating the apple would open their eyes and enlighten them by the serpent, and it did, in a way. So, it wasn't punishment but more that we got what we asked for. Initially we were just like animals, animals have no concept of good and evil but can still choose to obey or disobey, they still have a measure of intelligence... so like animals we had no conscience until after eating the apple, only now because we are able to judge between good and evil that is it that we can actually sin, before that we were not judged for doing wrong. After this, Early on in the bible there was no laws givin by God, expecting us to make the right decisions by our conscience alone, if you think the world today is bad then think again, canibalism, murder, slavery & crime was commonplace ... the world got so bad that he chose to wipe everyone out except for the family of one who managed to gain favour.
God may be perfect, but i see no reason why his followers have to be after all he doesnt expect us to be perfect, expects us just to be able to obey Him really. Not to mention that the devil is said to be a angel that wanted powers like Gods and was cast out for it. edit: Think of it as like a bar graph or one of those vien diagrams, with heaven up one end and hell down the other end with us stuck in the middle as neutrals... the more towards one end you are the better you are with the opposite applying as well, but only one can be the best and only one can be the worst (God & Devil) and everything else is ranked inbetween.
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^Good/Perfect ^Angels ^ppl in heaven ^ppl on earth ^ppl in hell ^demons ^Pure Evil
^God ^Devil
^jesus? (was like us) ^serpent?
^Angel of death? (is he under Gods command or is it just another name for the devil?)
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Might be that he wasn't all that jealous, but rather just kicked us out of his house since we had to grow up
the apple and the snake always remind me of teenagers and their parents  As for the later, I was more thinking that it rather is a tyrany than democracy. According to the bible God has guards, armies and such, so we could probably agree on that one. Else great line (forgotten the English word), only got two remarks. The angel of death is under Gods command.- The plagues. And death is a necessary good. I'm not quite sure if the agnel of death and death are the same tohugh, didn't Jesus battle death? Oh, and the later one is that Jesus and God are the same being Freedom - a mountain in the distant sky, love in the grass, birds on the vast plains of the sea, fire under the stars Freedom - I treasure your sight, I follow your sweet sound, I smell your dreams, I taste your tears. Freedom - how do I define you? I see you - when I turn away I hold you -when my hands are full I kiss you - when you aren't here Freedom - Never shall you be more than a name to me |
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I think you meant necessar "evil" there Just
anyway, I once had a talk with a man who concidered himself an expert on these things(and a lot of other things, he was sorta liek a paranormal scientist) and by the end of the talk he actually made it seem that God was a tyrant that wanted complete control and was also a hypocrit and Ol' Lucy was some great liberator who wanted nothing but freedom and was betrayed by God O_o. I would tell you everything we talked about on this matter but now I don't have the time, but the weidest thing is that when I told him how his whole discussion made God seem the evil one he said "Really? I never thought of it that way."______________________________ Mad Prophet/High Oracle of the Cult of Alderbranch.(now without a picture in his sig) Mah Devart! Bash My Confined Space Free Jellybeans and cookies Honorific member of the Romanian Mint Rubbing Association |
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I never bother myself with questions like these. I always seem to condradict myself and weave a catastrophe of paradoxes and oxymorons. So I leave well enough alone and believe that as long as I uphold the teachings of God, keep sin down to a minimum, (sin, not illegal activity
) and do my part in church activites I will probably ascend to heaven. If I don't then I don't have much of a problem seeing how my view of Hell is very different from mosts...there's my 2 cents. If someone wants another cent on my thoughts of Hell they are free to inquire. +1 Magicka  Department of Redundancy Department. Save a carrot, eat a cow. |
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They call you... Tater Salad? XD OMG I love Ron White =D
______________________________ Mad Prophet/High Oracle of the Cult of Alderbranch.(now without a picture in his sig) Mah Devart! Bash My Confined Space Free Jellybeans and cookies Honorific member of the Romanian Mint Rubbing Association |
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