Settle down Pipes.

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Originally posted by mcmax3000:

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Originally posted by zeeEVIL1:
Vocals? Who cares. How about the ability to completely create your own songs on every instrument

I care & that's my problem... It's not on every instrument. Effectively, the song creator cuts out a quarter of the game, taking a four player experience down to a three player experience.

I'm not saying there won't still be some good things to come out of the song creator or that they should scrap the idea or anything like that. I'm just saying that putting such a mode in the game & then butchering it by leaving out such a big chunk out of it is a mistake.

It would be like the Far Cry map editor only letting you make maps that could be played in deathmatch & none of the other modes.

It'll still probably be a good addition but it could be much better.

I hear you, but check out the article. It has a studio mode also and you can make your songs on the fly.

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Originally posted by mcmax3000:
I care & that's my problem... It's not on every instrument. Effectively, the song creator cuts out a quarter of the game, taking a four player experience down to a three player experience.

I'm not saying there won't still be some good things to come out of the song creator or that they should scrap the idea or anything like that. I'm just saying that putting such a mode in the game & then butchering it by leaving out such a big chunk out of it is a mistake.

It'll still probably be a good addition but it could be much better.

You have to think about why they would omit the vocals Max.

What happened in Forza? A bunch of A-holes started making animations that had nudity, racist driven attitude etc. How could they have stopped that? They couldn't. It's these people who ruin it for all the really creative people out there. It's why the vocals cannot be added to the creator. It would be pretty easy to see the tools out there putting songs like: "I banged your mother", or "How to be a racist". Freedom of speech is one thing. Going out there and just producing disgusting trash is another. Moderating something like that would be next to impossible. Even if there was a system to report or something. The song would have circulated around the world before anyone could get it removed. I would suggest a verification stage. Where someone would view and listen to te song and then ok it. Then it may take days or even weeks to get it listened to. There's going to be thousands, upon thousands of songs being put up I'm sure. Impossible to keep up with.

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Originally posted by DocHolidazed:

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Originally posted by mcmax3000:
I care & that's my problem... It's not on every instrument. Effectively, the song creator cuts out a quarter of the game, taking a four player experience down to a three player experience.

I'm not saying there won't still be some good things to come out of the song creator or that they should scrap the idea or anything like that. I'm just saying that putting such a mode in the game & then butchering it by leaving out such a big chunk out of it is a mistake.

It'll still probably be a good addition but it could be much better.

You have to think about why they would omit the vocals Max.

What happened in Forza? A bunch of A-holes started making animations that had nudity, racist driven attitude etc. How could they have stopped that? They couldn't. It's these people who ruin it for all the really creative people out there. It's why the vocals cannot be added to the creator. It would be pretty easy to see the tools out there putting songs like: "I banged your mother", or "How to be a racist". Freedom of speech is one thing. Going out there and just producing disgusting trash is another. Moderating something like that would be next to impossible. Even if there was a system to report or something. The song would have circulated around the world before anyone could get it removed. I would suggest a verification stage. Where someone would view and listen to te song and then ok it. Then it may take days or even weeks to get it listened to. There's going to be thousands, upon thousands of songs being put up I'm sure. Impossible to keep up with.

Honestly, that's a cop-out. If you're going to have user-created content, then you have to accept the risk of offensive content, and have a mechanism in place to report such content. I've seen some pretty offensive user-created maps in Far Cry - stuff from straight up pornographic images to Nazi swastikas. Are you going to stifle everyone's creativity simply because there are some immature a-holes out there? Should these idiots 'ruin it' for everyone else? Hardly.

I think the lack of vocal input in the GH4 studio probably has more to do with technological limitations at this point than anything else.

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Originally posted by Brimtown

I think the lack of vocal input in the GH4 studio probably has more to do with technological limitations at this point than anything else.

Honestly. I think your wrong. I understand your thought on limitations. But. If you can send voice text and chat on xlive. You can surlely sing a song and record it. aybe they will explain why in the near future. Or. Maybe they will actually include it. Imho. I think it's because they don't want to let the cesspool of bad language on the live network where there are too many youngstas with access.

That's why the Dashboard has an option to disable the ability to download User Created Content. That way the people who are easily offended don't have to worry about it. They can disable the option or even set it to where they can only get content created by their friends.

It's hardly a reason to cripple what could be a great feature.

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Originally posted by mcmax3000:
It's hardly a reason to cripple what could be a great feature.

So true. If they are going to implement such a trend setting option. Then why do IT half azzed? The way I see it. Don't do it if you can't do it the way it should be done.

Since I can't play my Stratocaster I will go for the next Guitar Hero. Thank you for the heads up brother.

Check out the drums!!!!

THe website has 2 trailers. The second is kinda showcasing the drums.

Check it HERE When you get there, just click on media.

Actually, Doc, the lack of vocal input on the song editor is because of legal issues. Which makes sense, when you think about it. Consider how aggressively studios are going after unlicensed use of music. Once you start allowing people to use lyrics that may be copyrighted, you're just asking for trouble.

Makes sense. Not like there isn't going to be any artistic plagerism on the musical side of things is there??

Speaking of legal issues. The new guitar for GH:WT has been talked about of recent. Due to lawsuits with Gibson, they will not be using the likeness for this edition. Instead theyy are going generic. A bit larger in scale. Here's a pic. Note the slide bar under the top frets. Serves several purposes and should prove to be unique in improv. Kinda reminds me of the Fender Strat in rockband. Hrrrmm. Only the headstock looks different.

Source story here.

I can see many people uploading there favorite songs, which will kill Rock Band. I'm not the person to take the time and put in every note for each instrument, though.

Honestly, I'm really curious to see how this "create-a-song" is going to fly. You just know that the RIAA and the record companies are going to be watching this very carefully. Heck, Viacom just got a judge to demand that YouTube hand over the IP addresses and personal log-in names of every single person who has EVER watched anything on YouTube. Which means pretty much everyone on this forum. It was only a few months ago when Prince went after YouTube because some woman posted a video of her infant playing around with a Prince song playing in the background.

I'm sure that this feature is designed for people to create their own original work, but you know that it won't take long for people to create near-perfect replicas of Led Zepellin, Metallica, Beatles, and other highly sought-after bands.

I predict that it won't take but a few months at most before some record company files a lawsuit against Activision and Neversoft for allowing copyright infringement. These vultures seem as if they can't wait for an opportunity to try and squash a new technology or platform.

I have been talking bout this creation thing with my rockbanders and everyone is not to thrilled about it at all. Because of it lacking vocals really. Instrumentals are cool. For like a minute and 30 seconds or so. After that. It gets somewhat boring. Sure one or two of them mixed in with a setlist could be bearable.

So basically, we all think this is gonna be cool at first. Then get really boring, really quick.

They need to let the max's out there give us their talents and showcase the sweet harmonies that they can produce.

And brim: Stop overthinking the whole deal. Of course there are going to be some sour grapes peein' and moanin' bout some stuff. These are just display songs. No-one is trying to make money off of them. So who cares. Carry on please.

My money is on ROCKBAND to perfect this tool and make it what it should be. The total package.

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Originally posted by DocHolidazed:
And brim: Stop overthinking the whole deal. Of course there are going to be some sour grapes peein' and moanin' bout some stuff. These are just display songs. No-one is trying to make money off of them. So who cares. Carry on please.

Doc, read this, then tell me if I'm "overthinking" things. You know that 1TB hard drive that the Frag Dolls are giving away? You'd need twelve of those just to hold all of the usernames that YouTube is now required by law to provide Viacom. As far as "nobody is trying to make money off them", have you honestly been sleeping or not paying attention to what's been going on over the past few years? You don't have to actually be trying to "make money" off copyrighted material to be held accountable. Just the unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material is enough to get the lawyers involved.

And as far as being "display songs", I doubt that's going to matter either. The difference between this and you picking up a guitar and playing "Stairway to Heaven" is that you're not publishing your work. Once you upload that and make it available for millions of people to download, as far as the record companies are concerned, you've crossed a line. I really hope I'm wrong about this, but judging from how extremely aggressively the record companies have been pursuing this over the past few years, I don't think I will be. We'll see.

As far as I'm concerned. Your trying to make something bigger than it should be.

Relax, and buy the game. Post you best version of "Girls,Girls,Girls"(w/o vocals. GAH!), and have some fun playing GH:WT.

Trust me. You won't go to court for it. You won't be arrested. Maybe. You'll even get a few groupies in the process. Win-win!

If created songs could be uploaded to XBL or PSN, then some bands or anonymous song-makers could get recognition. It's probably there for that reason, not so people could copy other songs they want to play.

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Originally posted by SplinnterCell:
If created songs could be uploaded to XBL or PSN, then some bands or anonymous song-makers could get recognition. It's probably there for that reason, not so people could copy other songs they want to play.

Obviously that's what the song creation tool is there for. But you also know that as soon as it hits, people are going to be uploading their versions of Led Zepellin, Beatles, etc.

Doc seems to think that the music industry has no problem whatsoever with people creating "unauthorized sound recordings" of copyrighted material.

My prediction stands. Watch for a lawsuit by either the RIAA or some other music industry giant against Neversoft and Activision over this. Notice I never said that I think they have a chance of winning that lawsuit, in fact I don't think they would. But these groups have shown time and time again that they will aggressively fight any new and emergent technology which gives users more freedom.

Once again, all you have to do is look at what's going on with Viacom and YouTube to see just what ridiculous lengths the industry will go to.

In fact, the music industry has actually come out saying that they don't even need evidence to go after suspected violators:

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"Requiring proof of actual transfers would cripple efforts to enforce copyright owners' rights online – and would solely benefit those who seek to freeload off plaintiff's investment."

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Doc seems to think that the music industry has no problem whatsoever with people creating "unauthorized sound recordings" of copyrighted material.

No. Doc does know about the music industries whining ways.

My whole point is.....

Who cares?!?! The game will not be pulled off the shelves. People will still be able to create. A lawsuit if filed, will be smacked down so hard and fast that even JT will feel it.

Why do you care Brim? What's your motivation here?????

There's bands all over the world who do cover songs of their favorite artists. I don't see them getting sued. The only thing they would have any grounds for suit is lyrics. Which has been discussed as one of the reasons for omission from the game.

My answer is simple. Make the user agree to not violate the plagerism law and be on with it. If they steal someones words for profit. That's their problem. Not Neversoft, Red Octane, or even Harmonix,when they come out with their own version.

/takes deep long sigh

My only "motivation" was simply to predict that there would be a lawsuit filed by the music industry. That's it.

As for cover bands, sure there are lots of bands that do cover songs. But the minute they put out a CD with an unauthorized cover song on it, you can be sure they'll get slapped down.

And once again, you keep harping on the "profit" thing, when the RIAA's position is clearly that you don't have to profit from copyright infringement in order to be considered guilty - at least in their view.

You're really making this a bigger issue than it should be. The record industry is full of blood-sniffing sharks, always looking for a new victim or company to go after.

The most they can possibly accomplish is to force Neversoft to monitor each upload, and make sure that nobody isn't uploading "Stairway to Heaven". I don't think they'll even get that far, but they will try.

A prediction is just that - a prediction. No need to get all upset or antsy about it.