I've encountered the BUG at the Slaughterhouse where HH goes missing and never comes back. I've also read the board, and it seems that many other people have had this same problem as well as many other problems.

This is absurd. I have NEVER EEVVVERRR had any problems like this with a Nintendo game. I've never had a game that had any kind of glitch like this whatsoever. Not on the original Nintendo, N64 or Gamecube.

What makes it worse is that Ubisoft's official position on this ( I called them ), is to reload a saved game (not an option, saved it after HH was lost) or restart the game. RESTART THE GAME? I've got 20+ hours in so far I am not restarting it.

What I did do is call Nintendo ( their official seal of approval is on the back) and file a complaint which is being referred to their license department. I hope this is the last Nintendo title we see from Ubisoft.

I'm also going to take the game back to EB where I bought it and return it, and I encourage you all to do the same. Don't restart the game, RETURN the game. I demand high quality games from Nintendo and their licensees, and you should too. Don't let them become the next Microsoft, putting out crappy software that has bugs, and patches and fixes and whatever else.

[This message was edited by bitebug2003 on Thu March 25 2004 at 07:14 AM.]

I agree with your position, however this is not a Nintendo game, all rights belong to Ubisoft and was completely developed by them. Ubisoft may have reached an agreement with Nintendo to get the seal of approval on the box but that is as far as the assosiation goes.

It is ridiculous that the game was released in the state it was, it should have been fixed in the QA (Quality Assurance), then they release a patch that only works some of the time. If you dont want to return it there is a user created fix that is in a sticky thread at the top of this forum.

Hopefully Ubi wont be so careless in the future.

How do you apply a patch or a fix to a NGC game? ...or do you mean if taarna29 had the PC version and ran into this he could fix it?
otherwise, i think for a bug in a NGC game, you're SOL.

~Stimpy

D.B.U.T.H.T!!
Don't break up the home team!
~Carlson & Peters p.823

Well, I definitely don't hope this one be Ubi's last game on GC. I am very much looking forward to see at least a sequel to BGE.

I used to be a looong-time Rare fan, but as you might know the guys went utterly mad, so I had to look for someone new to supply me with top-notch titles. This is how I came across BGE and Ubisoft and I hope they're not saying bye-bye to the Cube anytime soon.

I do understand your frustration though. I see that the PC version (which was released earlier) used to have many more and much nastier bugs, and the guys at Ubi seem to have fixed quite a bunch of them when porting the game to the Cube -- but I guess this is nothing that would help me change your mind

Nevertheless, please keep in mind that even such a title as Ocarina of Time used to have very serious bugs in its early versions (especially the U.S. ones). Thus, I don't agree when you say Nintendo is oh-so-great and Ubisoft ain't.

You see, BGE is a d*mn complex game, after all. And many puzzles are far more complex than the ones in Ocarina of Time. Don't get me wrong -- I would most definitely go mad if I'd run in the bug you are suffering from. Still, there's no way I wouldn't be giving such a great game a second chance.

Hi taarna29 ,



You may want to return your gamecartridge (or whatever they are for nintendo) to the store for an exchange. Just like with every mass copying process, there are occasionally a few that come out with erors.

Some of the HH-misings are the player's doing though. If you go away too far too fast, HH will tell you not to break up the team. Don't say he didn't warn you!

20 hours to get to the slaughterhouse? You must have gotten lost really bad a few times.
Anyway, you can flame against Ubisoft all you want, it isn't going to change that you haven't finished this game. To do that, you'll have to bitte the bullet and just start over again.

I don't see why you make such a problem about it. There's so many nintendo games that you have to start over when you use up all your lives...


Wishing you peace, and aceptance of an occasional bump in the road.

G-2b, playing the fast game.

I expect a game to have zero bugs, period. I don't care how complex the game is. You make absolutely no sense. Planes and cars are more complex, so according to you its OK if they have a few bugs. Make sure to think of me when your next flight is going down in a ball of flames at 20,000 feet.

I have a choice where I spend my money, and I refuse to spend it on inferior games and electronics...PERIOD.

Nintendo games have gaming-stopping bugs too, Tarnaa. Just look at Majora's Mask on the Zelda Collector's Disc.

Unfortunately, no matter how much testing there is, some bugs WILL slip through. It's sad, but it happens.

I would encourage you to keep the game. I just beat it last night, and it's very good. I enjoyed it more than I did Wind Waker. Stick with it, you won't be disappointed!

edit - I forgot to say: in games where you are offered 3 or more save files, it's always a good idea to use them all, alternatively. That way, if something happens with one of them, you can always rely on the save from before!

[This message was edited by Pandareus on Tue March 16 2004 at 04:25 PM.]

Dear taarna,


no need to agitate.

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You make absolutely no sense. Planes and cars are more complex, so according to you its OK if they have a few bugs.

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Well, first of all, drive-by-wire software is by no means more complex than BGE. How can you claim that if you just don't know?

Secondly, I am terribly sorry to dissapoint you, but almost EACH and EVERY piece of software on this planet has bugs in it. Including embedded applications, and yes, including drive-by-wire and flight control software.

It is, however, much harder for you to ever notice a flight control software crash, because:

1. There's a backup copy of the very same software running on the very same hardware.

2. There's a second backup copy of the software running on a different piece of hardware.

3. There's an alternative version of the software running on yet another piece of hardware.

4. There's a pilot in the cockpit who has been taught how to fly without the software.

5. A dozen of reasons I didn't think of.

On a somewhat related note: What definitely makes no sense, is that you think each time a software crashes, the hardware it is running on is "going down in a ball of flames". This is very funny, indeed. Or did your GameCube actually explode?

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I expect a game to have zero bugs, period

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Well, thinking of the complexity of today's software: this is simply impossible, period.

It looks like you've never written a piece of complex software yourself. It simply doesn't matter how much time you spend debugging. You'll never find all the bugs. There are mathematical proofs for that.

And pleeease, don't get me wrong once again. I definitely agree with you that there should be no bugs whatsoever. But I definitely disagree with you that the shiny Nintendo Seal of Quality guarantees for bug absence. Because again, you just can't guarantee for that. Noone can. It's impossible. Period. So don't be naïve.

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I have NEVER EEVVVERRR had any problems like this with a Nintendo game. I've never had a game that had any kind of glitch like this whatsoever. Not on the original Nintendo, N64 or Gamecube.

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Well, you are probably the only person on the planet who can claim this.

So why are you so sad? Because you've managed to encounter a glitch in one glitchy game? Now that you say you've managed to play umpteen glitchy games without facing any single glitch -- shouldn't you be happy instead?

Schwalex,
Since there's no applause button:

G-2b, playing the fast game.
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Well here's some math for you:

The mathematical probability that I will ever buy a game from Ubisoft again is ....ZERO

The probability that I will tell anyone I can not to buy a game from Ubisoft is .....100%

Now, here's one for you:
If every employer read your posts and saw how apathetic you are to producing quality products that people pay money for, how many would hire you?

tuttuttut


I'd rather call it realization of the complexity of programming and tolerance for the condition of being human i.e. prone to error, oh perfect one.

If you hate Ubisoft and the game so much, why are you here?

P.S. I haven't had any problems getting hired so far.

G-2b, playing the fast game.
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Hi Everyone

This thread belongs in the Community Technical Help Forum seeing as it's primarily about a Gamecube bug.

Your best bet is to return the game, as has already been suggested.
If you can't return it to the store, contact UbiSoft and make the arrangements with them.

I'll move this to the appropriate Forum so you can continue your discussions there.

Kind Regards

Bitebug2003

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Dear taarna,


I appreciate your worrying about my career. But what should I say...

Perhaps I am already employed ... Perhaps I work at a neat company that specializes in analysis and optimization of real-time, safety-critical, embedded applications ... Perhaps it's this one ...

But then again -- wouldn't the coincidence be a bit too freaky?..

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The mathematical probability that I will ever buy a game from Ubisoft again is ....ZERO

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Does that mean the mathematical probability of you showing up in this forum again is zero, too?

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The probability that I will tell anyone I can not to buy a game from Ubisoft is .....100%

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Your job here is done. Bye-bye.

Back to the facts though. You say you returned your copy of BGE. That's fine with us -- but what's the point?

Your point is that WE ALL should return our copies, too. But, heck: JUST WHY SHOULD WE? I'm sorry, I don't get it. And you don't give us any clarifications.

Even if we actually did return our copies; even if none of us ever bought a game from Ubisoft again; even if Nintendo broke up with Ubisoft; even if Ubisoft went bankrupt or went down in a ball of flames -- would that change anything? I mean: anything?

Would it miraculously fix the glitch you are suffering from, help you finish the game, delete this thread, and let us all live on happily ever after?

No, it wouldn't.

Thus: curse and swear, Lord Kildare, thou shalt do what thou shalt dare -- but leave us in peace.

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I refuse to spend my money on inferior games and electronics...

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Then, you'll end up being the richest man on the planet -- living in a jungle brush-wood hut without video games, water supply, or electricity whatsoever. Because, according to your criteria, each and every video game, each and every piece of electronics, and each and every power plant is inferior.

I mean, that's fine with me. You refuse to spend your money, I refuse to eat meat, my girlfriend refuses to wear bra, President Bush refuses to live in fear -- that's all fine with me, but heck, what's the point? How does it relate to this community forum anyway?

Ha, the HH dissapearing thing happened to me today too. Not in the slaughter house, but Vortex Lair. Just after I saved the game I realised he was gone, although I could still command him to do his speacial move that throws the enemies up in the air. I pressed reset and started again from the save point and to my relief, he was there again so I was able to leave in the hovercraft.

I have to admit, this was only one of about 6 bugs that i noticed, just off the top of my head...And thats quite dissapointing. Its a quality game, but it seems they just wanted to get the game out fast and skipped over a few things. Or perhaps there were sooo many bugs to begin with that they failed to spot a few more. Nevertheless, I dont see THIS many bugs that often.