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Someone quote my previous post so he can see it. If he has any actual conviction, he'll have to answer it. If he doesn't, well, there is no debate here, then.

The point of my videos, one more time, is to show off the capacity to win in any aircraft without the use of AAs. I don't bring it up to show off my skill so much as to show that anyone good enough can do it. I have a video for at least 40 different aircraft, including the EF-111, FB-22, F-117, EA-6B, F-4G, Mirage F1, MiG-21, MiG-25, Jaguar, YF-12A, etc. (not exactly dominating aircraft). If MC got good enough, even he would be able to do the same thing. Anyone could. It just takes improving your skill and tactics.

The videos are proof. I have yet to see any proof that AAs are "the right weapon at times." After all, our main opponent here won't provide any of his own and worse still won't even see ours. If that remains the case, case closed.

While it may be true that AAs "are a legitimate part of the game," skill is not, obviously. Using one forgoes the other...as my videos demonstrate.


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Posts: 1953 | Registered: Tue December 16 2008Edit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Originally posted by Adnihilis:
AAs are not the "smart" weapon. Our point is anyone, ANYone, can use them and score kills. 95% or so of people, from personal experience, use AAs, meaning, according to MC's logic, that 95% of people are "smart." The problem with this is that 95% of these people lose because they rely on the auto-hit capabilities of the AA rather than on focusing on flying ability and accuracy. Auto-hit means they never foster accuracy, as the AA does it for them. Unfortunately, it doesn't win matches against decent pilots.

As a comparison, I've gone a match against a guy who was routinely in our games (even though he never said a word; maybe someone without a mic). This guy predominantly used AAs, and as such, my friends and I saw him as a nuisance. We usually win these matches against him, but still, AAs get no respect from us. So, in this particular match, I did something I never do: I used AAs against him. In fact, I used his (and that of many like him) "technique:" I used AAs constantly against him while not bothering with evading so I'd respawn often (with a full load of AAs each time). He had no chance. At the end of the match, I was not the leader, and my score sucked. I had a horrible kills to deaths ratio (for me, anyway), tons of kills, nearly as many deaths. His score? Right about the bottom. He made almost no kills. I wouldn't let him, even though using his own tactics against him, I didn't get the highest score. The point? To see how annoying AAs being used against you could really be.

I felt dirty using such cheap tactics, even if it was just to prove a point to that guy. It's cheap, annoying, and still doesn't win any matches. I then went to using my normal techniques, and bam, match leader again with great KDRs.

MC, the reason we want you to watch our videos has nothing to do with ego. They have nothing to do with view counts. At least, personally speaking. They're primarily recorded as a documentation of ability without AAs and just for fun. They prove my point, over and over again. My view counts are low. It doesn't bother me. I don't get an ego from either a video game nor anything off the internet. However, if I want to demonstrate how AAs are unnecessary and, in fact, a failure to use and particularly to rely on, then I can reference these videos. If you had any true conviction in the things you say, then you would investigate this "evidence" in order to see what we're talking about, get a better, more informed perspective on the matter, and either find something to debunk OR perhaps shed a little light on the e-argument. If you want to argue one thing, fine, but at least provide some proof to back up your claim, check out the "opposition's" to refute (or not) their claim, look at all the evidence completely, and not make accusations on us without even knowing our side because you even refuse to watch what we say is proof.

See? And I didn't even resort to any sarcastic comments nor condescending emoticons. I have no interest in "riling you up." I merely have a point to express about the issue at hand (not about you), and have provided my proof. It's up to you to look at my or anyone else's proof AND to provide some evidence of your own to back up your own claim. Otherwise, we really don't have a debate here.

For the last time, AAs are cheap. They're legitimately in the game, but that doesn't mean Ubisoft made a good decision with their inclusion nor is it a good decision to use them as a player. It definitely does not prove a person is "smart enough to use the right weapon." Anyone and everyone does use it and fails to win, in great part BECAUSE of their reliance on this weapon. Now, since when is losing the action of a player "smart enough to use the right weapon?" The two don't add up. Once again, you want proof? You want to see why I say what I do? You want evidence I'm not making anything up? The videos prove everything.

Take this all from one of the best "pilots" in the game. I have the experience, and I know what wins and what does not. If you want to simply see this comment as "ego," fine, but I WILL remind you that this is just a video game. No one, including myself, is nor should be all that impressed with a skill in some video game. After all, it's just a sometime pastime, a minor hobby, nothing more.
Adnihilis, I find most of the opinions here, like yours, interesting, insightful, and sometimes helpful - that is what I read these forums for - BUT, the annoying should be ignored. When a Richard Cranium, for whatever reason (insecurity, arogance, a joke, etc.), tells you the glass is half empty and you are whining if you dare believe it is half full then it is more benifitial, at least to me, if he is not encouraged. These forums would be more enjoyable because of it. IMHO, the AAMs have there place, sometimes in the campaign.
 
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I think the reason that he won't even watch our videos is because he sincerely believes that they are posted on Youtube just for ego purposes.

"look at me, tell me I'm worth something." <---why would he post that and argue how he does?

MC cannot see that we are arguing a topic, it has nothing to do with us specifically. The only way he can feel good about his side is by making it a personal attack on the other side. So he cannot comprehend that videos could be merely proof of our side.


He thinks it truly is about us and our wanting recognition, and that not being the case, he hasn't seen any of our proof. He doesn't believe he is wrong at all.

He has called me a weapons whiner a number of times. He doesn't get it that the weapon isn't used against me, its cheap against everyone. And yes, I am against people taking a cheap way out of anything instead of actually taking time to learn the better ways.

He also might be afraid to watch our videos, because then he might be forced to see that we are actually making valid points; but he isn't.


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This s*x... I just finished an 1 round, 10 minutes, hardcore match, with 8 people total. Well...who said that AA was nice missile? Sorry, you`re wrong! That`s just stupid! I lost 14 kills streak by some AA user who don`t know anything than push the fire button...This really s*x!!! Oh, and one fun bonus to all this - i played in ON, when everyone else played in OFF. All Aspect Missile is a cheap missile, period! I have got mine 1.4 million exp long time ago, I don`t need more exp. But 14 kills streak blown by 4 AAM, in a rain of missiles, that`s just ridiculous!


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... I agree with that, rgeshev, the aa missles are just for lazy ppl who cant fly, and just shoot, no matter if the enemy is in front of him or behind him.... These missles dont require any skills to fly... Thats why i love tight dogfight.. Only joint strike missles and rocket pods.. Smile
 
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Finally! Live long, and God bless you Gausskiller. landon_326, Adnihilis, you too!


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Originally posted by THUMP1962:
When a Richard Cranium, for whatever reason (insecurity, arogance, a joke, etc.), tells you the glass is half empty and you are whining if you dare believe it is half full then it is more benifitial, at least to me, if he is not encouraged.

Indeed, I'm the glass half-full guy (AAM is balanced) while the whining Richards are the glass half-empty type. Good call... Big Grin


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Originally posted by landon_326:
I think the reason that he won't even watch our videos is because he sincerely believes that they are posted on Youtube just for ego purposes.

"look at me, tell me I'm worth something." <---why would he post that and argue how he does?

The only way he can feel good about his side is by making it a personal attack on the other side.

He thinks it truly is about us and our wanting recognition, and that not being the case, he hasn't seen any of our proof. He doesn't believe he is wrong at all.

He has called me a weapons whiner a number of times.

He also might be afraid to watch our videos

Of course I believe it, you've proven me right over and over and you admitted it.

Kind of like how *you* make personal attacks on me and those that use AAM? Does your two-faced hypocrisy even register with you or are you completely blind to that as well as reality?

Again, you admitted it.

What have you called people that use AAM a number of times? What makes you think that it's OK for you and bad for others? Roll Eyes

Afraid? Big Grin You truly are desperate, richard. As if anyone is *afraid* to watch a video. I know you THINK you're special but the special olympics don't count. I'm not sure who your "our" is (do you have more than one username here?) but I've watched a number of videos, just not yours. Try again, I could use another laugh... Big Grin


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Originally posted by rgeshev:
I lost 14 kills streak by some AA user who don`t know anything than push the fire button...This really s*x!!!


Yet more conclusive proof that AAM whining is about ego. Now try to deny it...


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Originally posted by Gausskiller:
... no matter if the enemy is in front of him or behind him....

They're SUPPOSED to work that way... Big Grin


Too funny, it should be clear why so many players make fun of people that whine about x y or z weapon and then kill them with that weapon....repeatedly.

Denial isn't a river in Egypt. Next?


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It's funny. We, the people who dislike AAs, he called the minority, yet these threads keep coming up with new posts by new posters each time. "Denial...," indeed.

Besides, the problem with these inane arguments is that his responses can go both ways. By people pointing out an opinion, he resorts to the old "stop whining" response, but it goes both ways. If he wants to deny these people their valid points and perspectives, then, apparently, he cannot tolerate their objections simply because they conflict with his own point of view. Furthermore, he insists on responding to each and every person (minus a couple he cannot prove to anyone else to be incorrect, thus, the "ignored") each and every time. That...is tantamount to "whining."

My point of view was stated. He dares not counter it with direct evidence nor even make any response that anyone here would buy.

I mean, you have SO many people, over time, putting out the same point of view, and he keeps coming to be the virtually sole counter. His quote seems something he may be trying in vain to convince himself he would or could be such a protagonist, but that's his prerogative. This is anything BUT a personal attack, but make note of his several instances in this thread alone.

We argue points. He argues people. That's the relevant difference, here.


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I like AAM. Those missiles are very effective.
 
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It's funny. We, the people who dislike AAs, he called the minority, yet these threads keep coming up with new posts by new posters each time. "Denial...," indeed.

Besides, the problem with these inane arguments is that his responses can go both ways. By people pointing out an opinion, he resorts to the old "stop whining" response, but it goes both ways. If he wants to deny these people their valid points and perspectives, then, apparently, he cannot tolerate their objections simply because they conflict with his own point of view. Furthermore, he insists on responding to each and every person (minus a couple he cannot prove to anyone else to be incorrect, thus, the "ignored") each and every time. That...is tantamount to "whining."

My point of view was stated. He dares not counter it with direct evidence nor even make any response that anyone here would buy.

I mean, you have SO many people, over time, putting out the same point of view, and he keeps coming to be the virtually sole counter. His quote seems something he may be trying in vain to convince himself he would or could be such a protagonist, but that's his prerogative. This is anything BUT a personal attack, but make note of his several instances in this thread alone.

We argue points. He argues people. That's the relevant difference, here.
I 100% agree. Every opposing opinion is not safe, he will continue to ANTAGONIZE. Since he obviously enjoys it, he will not stop as long as he is allowed to do so. Having the last word with the sad and miserable is not necessary - best to ignore him and maybe he'll go away. Most of us try to avoid him anyway - he's killing the forum.
 
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Zyablikov: AAM are not effective. They do little damage and you can only fire them upon one enemy at a time. Being easy to use and being effective are not the same.

Some people think they have skill for being able hit one enemy for a little damage with two AAM, while at the same time that enemy team member just killed your three team mates with one MTAA salvo.

Yes, I will always think that anyone who takes the cheap way out of anything probably cannot handle the better way. I make fun of people for their actions (lack of skill needed not to have to use AAM), I don't target individual forum posters with attacks until they are attacking me. There is a big difference in how I post and your attacks MC.

'Our videos' was reefer...ring to Adnihilis, the person I was talking to.

I think you HAVE watched our videos MC, but you will never admit that. If you did admit it, you'd have to admit that we have proof of what we say, making it correct. Then you'd have to admit that you are wrong.

But well, I'm not expecting Florida or Hell to freeze over any time soon, so you aren't wrong are you? LOL.



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Please try to avoid getting too personal when posting replies, I'd hate things to get too heated, I don't want to have to close this thread like the last one, as I'm actually starting to enjoy the debate...



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I suppose that one could say that the MTAA is as cheap as the AAM. And the only skilled flyers are the ones who shoot JS RG RP or Cannon only ... i.e. you go after one target at a time. Or you JS one target while hitting the second with Cannon
 
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Dementor, if you think the MTAA is cheap, try hitting me with one.

It was good flying with you again WOLF. My score ended up being 10 kills and 6 deaths. WOLF shot me down twice, and nobody else could at all, LOL. But really, WTF was up with the 4 EMP strikes your team got when mine got zero? And dude, I'm sorry, but I have to post this.
It's a video of our head on duel. Watch for it after the EMP strike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oao4KcjZQUY

(See MC, yes this is a tongue in cheek video post to show skill, but it has nothing to do with AAM. When I do post videos about our debate on AAM, I am not trying to show any skill or ego or whatever you wanna whine on about.)

MC, do you think an EMP strike is a "cheap kill" or a valid actual "shooting someone down?" Just curious. Anyone actually.


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My guess is he'd argue it's fine since it's "a legitimate part of the game working as intended."

I'd have less of an issue with it if setting off an EMP were random, but it isn't. The losing team always gets them to "balance" out the score, which is terrible. If team y is losing to team x, then it's likely that team x has more skill. Adding in a near definite "kill" or four with an EMP strike to even up the score a bit and give those with less of chance to win...a win is a tad unfair. Again, there's no skill in that.

That's exactly the number one reason I play with Supports Off. The end score is the end score, based on who killed who, period (minus the cheap AA kills by the enemy team, of course).

Oh, and if MC wants to head off into saying that those who "whine" about EMPs do so beacuse of supposedly hurt egos, well, many of my earlier videos had Supports On, and my team still consistently won...which is exactly what was so annoying: we'd get EMPed while the enemy team didn't. However, we still won, despite being EMPed multiple times. Someone who won isn't exactly whining, and it's certainly not about a "hurt ego" when...we...still...win. The cheesiness of EMPs in online competitions is simply my stated opinion.

I mean, in a video game, the losing team shouldn't get a helping hand to make up for any lack of skill. A losing team is a losing team, and the only advice they need is: practice. Same goes for AA-reliant folk.


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