I`m not saying anything about "kill them firs". I mean if you have to defend yourself from AAM users, when you`re skilled with rocked pod, it happens very quickly...left turn, couple of rockets and goodbye then move to offensive to another player with another weapon. And when AAM user comes back...blast him out of the skies again until he manages to shoot you after 4-5 respawns

Yes, we were given a cheap weapon. Yes it is intended to be cheap, and it does work exactly as it was programmed to.
I don't need to be cheap, so I use a better weapon.

Have you, MC, watched any of my videos?
...Watched any of Ad's videos?

Yes we get shot down by AAM users once or twice, as the match leaders with twice as many kills as they have.

You just ignore the point that the weapon is cheap against everyone. You may not feel that it is cheap, but we do. So nobody's ego gets hurt at all by neither AAM users, nor your comments. If nothing else, watching the person in last place start flinging AAMs as a last desperate attempt not to have zero kills is really quite amusing. I guess I don't even mind playing the martyr, since I'm normally the one making them look the worst to begin with.

"Don't hate the player...."

Keep feeling proud about being cheap, it's who you are. I'll keep feeling proud about being better, it's who I am.


Landon

quote:

Originally posted by landon_326:
Yes, we were given a cheap weapon. Yes it is intended to be cheap, and it does work exactly as it was programmed to.
I don't need to be cheap, so I use a better weapon.

Have you, MC, watched any of my videos?
...Watched any of Ad's videos?

1) You calling them cheap doesn't make them cheap.
2) You only call them cheap because you just can't hang with all of the weapons.

No, not one. I don't wish to feed an overly large and fragile ego.

Don't be mad just because a "2 year old with Downs Syndrome" is a smart enough pilot to use the right missile for the situation and you're not.

Here, maybe this scale will help:

HAWX fanatics with no life
Good HAWX players
Normal HAWX players
A "2 year old with Downs Syndrome"
<--- You are here
A rock

Good night...

So, since you admittedly have not watched a single one of my videos, I'm sure your assessment of my skills is completely accurate, lol.

You are right, me calling them cheap does not make them cheap. They are cheap because they don't take skill to use.

My favorite ordinance is hardcore. In a hardcore match:
1 JSM -50
1 MTAA Kill
1 RGM Kill
1 AAM -25

So, if someone hits me with one AAM, I will have 75 health. So technically they have not changed how many JSM/MTAA missiles the other pilots would have to use to shoot me down. So if you hit me with one AAM, you won't have changed anything, but I'll still think you're a lame a** p***y. However, if you shoot me down with any other weapon, I'll be proud of you.

So your stupid theory on ego bruising is just stupid.

A two year old with down syndrome is smart enough to use the right missile for the situation, and a man knows that no situation requires being lame.


Smoke

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quote:

Originally posted by Master_Cylinder:

Here, maybe this scale will help:

HAWX fanatics with no life
Good HAWX players
Normal HAWX players
A "2 year old with Downs Syndrome"
<--- You are here
A rock

Good night...

Please refrain from any further personal attacks. This is not allowed, and you have been warned before.

quote:

Originally posted by landon_326:
So, since you admittedly have not watched a single one of my videos, I'm sure your assessment of my skills is completely accurate, lol.

You are right, me calling them cheap does not make them cheap.

However, if you shoot me down with any other weapon, I'll be proud of you.

So your stupid theory on ego bruising is just stupid.

A two year old with down syndrome is smart enough to use the right missile for the situation, and a man knows that no situation requires being lame.

I don't need to bump your youtube view count to know your skills, *you* admit that you can't hang with the AAM because you'd have to "do something specific" (God forbid) to evade them.

I am right...again. That's makes you wrong...still.

I don't need your approval. Good thing your opinion is worthless to most real players.

You make it perfectly obvious that ego has a LOT to do with it, that's why you whine and insult players that are smart enough to use the AAM. If you didn't call the AAM "cheap" and the pilots "2 year olds with Downs Syndrome" you'd have to admit that the problem is you, not the AAM. If it wasn't about ego, you wouldn't care one bit about AAM (nor any other weapon on any other game), but you do care and we all know it...


As I said, AAM whiners say much more about themselves than the (better) pilots that are smart enough to use the right weapon for the job. Just because you're not smart enough to use all of the weapons doesn't mean what you ignorantly try to claim.

Good luck with that delusion of yours...

So if I shoot someone down 8 times with JSM and they shoot me down 1 time with AAM, they are better than I am? That's normally the ratio, 6 to 8:1...which is why they switched to AAMs to begin with.

I've come across a handful of pilots that I had fun keeping up with, but most players clearly lacked the AC experience that I have. This gave them a distinct disadvantage when it came to knowing what to input to get the jet to do exactly what you want it to.

When I have twice as many kills as everyone else in the match, and 3 or 4 times as many kills as the AAM users do, how are they better than I am?

I just said that if anyone gets hit by an AAM, I disprove. So (lets say) even though YOU probably could have been shot down with one MTAA, I'm still gonna make fun of the person who hit you with AAMs. Their target doesn't have to be me. That is why the ego thing is stupid.

I befriend people who actually do shoot me down a few times, so I can have the fun of flying with/against them in the future.

You can claim all you want that letting something do your work for you is the better way out of any situation.

My means are not justified by the end.
I will not use AAMs.


Smoke

By will not you clearly mean cannot.

Quotes from the upcoming Top Gun sequel:

Title Card: On March 3, 1969 the United States Navy established an elite school for the top one percent of its pilots. Its purpose was to teach the lost art of aerial combat and to insure that the handful of men who graduated were the best fighter pilots in the world. They succeeded. Today, the Navy calls it Fighter Weapons School. The flyers call it: HAWX

Viper: Good morning, gentlemen, the temperature is 110 degrees.
Wolfman: Holy ****, it's Viper!
Goose: Viper's up here, great... oh ****...
Maverick: Great, he's probably saying, "Holy ****, it's Maverick and Goose."
Goose: Yeah, I'm sure he's saying that.
Goose: OK Mav, you're on his six, take him out!
Mav: Too close for missiles, I'm switching to guns.
Cougar: God dammit, Mav! This is Ghost Rider 117. This bogey is all over me. He's got missile lock on me. Do I have permission to fire?
Mav: Do not fire with a cheap off-boresight missile, even to save your life...
Goose: Come on, Mav, do some of that pilot ****!
Maverick: You don't have time to think up there. If you think, you're dead.
Goose: Man, he's fast!
Maverick: Oh ****! He used an off-boresight missile, that's cheap!
Goose: Why didn't you drop flares?
Maverick: I used them all in the last scene for my next youtube video.
Goose: The defense department regrets to inform you that your sons are dead because they were stupid.
Viper: OK, cut the chatter and get back to base, you're dead, you should have picked the right weapon for the job.
Maverick: You suck Viper, if you hadn't used the right missile, I would have killed you!
Viper: If you HAD used the right missile, you wouldn't be dead...
Maverick: You must have no skill or you wouldn't have killed me...or something...even a "2 year old with Downs Syndrome" can use an off-boresight missile.
Goose: STFU Mav...
Viper: HAWX rules of engagement are written for your safety and for that of your team. They are not flexible, nor am I. Either obey them or you are history. Is that clear? Get that plane on the ground NOW, that's an order!
Jester: That was some of the best flying I've seen to date - right up to the part where you got killed.
Maverick: Lame...
Slider: No points for second place!


It's a lot like the first one only this one is lame...

lol, quite passionate about this aren't yee?

I'm not the one whining about a legitimate weapon in a video game. Surely, even you see the point...

pot/kettle/black (also again)

Maverick: I used them all in the last scene for my next youtube video. <---LOL

AAs are not the "smart" weapon. Our point is anyone, ANYone, can use them and score kills. 95% or so of people, from personal experience, use AAs, meaning, according to MC's logic, that 95% of people are "smart." The problem with this is that 95% of these people lose because they rely on the auto-hit capabilities of the AA rather than on focusing on flying ability and accuracy. Auto-hit means they never foster accuracy, as the AA does it for them. Unfortunately, it doesn't win matches against decent pilots.

As a comparison, I've gone a match against a guy who was routinely in our games (even though he never said a word; maybe someone without a mic). This guy predominantly used AAs, and as such, my friends and I saw him as a nuisance. We usually win these matches against him, but still, AAs get no respect from us. So, in this particular match, I did something I never do: I used AAs against him. In fact, I used his (and that of many like him) "technique:" I used AAs constantly against him while not bothering with evading so I'd respawn often (with a full load of AAs each time). He had no chance. At the end of the match, I was not the leader, and my score sucked. I had a horrible kills to deaths ratio (for me, anyway), tons of kills, nearly as many deaths. His score? Right about the bottom. He made almost no kills. I wouldn't let him, even though using his own tactics against him, I didn't get the highest score. The point? To see how annoying AAs being used against you could really be.

I felt dirty using such cheap tactics, even if it was just to prove a point to that guy. It's cheap, annoying, and still doesn't win any matches. I then went to using my normal techniques, and bam, match leader again with great KDRs.

MC, the reason we want you to watch our videos has nothing to do with ego. They have nothing to do with view counts. At least, personally speaking. They're primarily recorded as a documentation of ability without AAs and just for fun. They prove my point, over and over again. My view counts are low. It doesn't bother me. I don't get an ego from either a video game nor anything off the internet. However, if I want to demonstrate how AAs are unnecessary and, in fact, a failure to use and particularly to rely on, then I can reference these videos. If you had any true conviction in the things you say, then you would investigate this "evidence" in order to see what we're talking about, get a better, more informed perspective on the matter, and either find something to debunk OR perhaps shed a little light on the e-argument. If you want to argue one thing, fine, but at least provide some proof to back up your claim, check out the "opposition's" to refute (or not) their claim, look at all the evidence completely, and not make accusations on us without even knowing our side because you even refuse to watch what we say is proof.

See? And I didn't even resort to any sarcastic comments nor condescending emoticons. I have no interest in "riling you up." I merely have a point to express about the issue at hand (not about you), and have provided my proof. It's up to you to look at my or anyone else's proof AND to provide some evidence of your own to back up your own claim. Otherwise, we really don't have a debate here.

For the last time, AAs are cheap. They're legitimately in the game, but that doesn't mean Ubisoft made a good decision with their inclusion nor is it a good decision to use them as a player. It definitely does not prove a person is "smart enough to use the right weapon." Anyone and everyone does use it and fails to win, in great part BECAUSE of their reliance on this weapon. Now, since when is losing the action of a player "smart enough to use the right weapon?" The two don't add up. Once again, you want proof? You want to see why I say what I do? You want evidence I'm not making anything up? The videos prove everything.

Take this all from one of the best "pilots" in the game. I have the experience, and I know what wins and what does not. If you want to simply see this comment as "ego," fine, but I WILL remind you that this is just a video game. No one, including myself, is nor should be all that impressed with a skill in some video game. After all, it's just a sometime pastime, a minor hobby, nothing more.

agreed, on all points

currently i have no choice but to use allaspects as im trying for the afinity so i appologise to all hawx players you wont get good games from mefor a bit

there cheap nasty and boring as hell to use, my kill-death ratio sucks and im getting no points

i only use them normally when someone else opens up with them or ill use them to lock on to an enemy as a threat i rarly fire there not woth it, better to wait for js target or rg
all aspects ned to be rethought for hawx 2

I agree as well.

I DO post some videos in the forum to show skill and some funny things that I want to share. Does that have to do with ego, sometimes a little.

However, when I am debating an issue, it's just as Adnihilis said. If I post a video as proof, like in this thread, it will have nothing to do with my ego or anything else. Just my point.

I posted a video in this thread where I barely took out anyone, and got shot down myself, even though it was by AAM. That video had little to do with my skill at all.
My flying was nothing to brag about, but it made a point. That's why not watching a video because of anyone's ego is illogical.

Why don't you like seeing sick moves anyway? I'm not a sports fan at all, but when someone calls me into a room to watch something badass, I generally watch it. In Hawx, even more so because I do play it a little. If you post videos of domination or just whipping your jet around in crazy ways, I'll ENJOY watching it. It doesn't matter who is doing whatever as much as it matter how cool whatever being done is.


Smoke

quote:

Originally posted by landon_326:
Maverick: I used them all in the last scene for my next youtube video. <---LOL

I thought you might like that one.

quote:

Originally posted by jerethdalion:
all aspects ned to be rethought for hawx 2

I think it'll be hilarious when they're exactly the same.

quote:

Originally posted by landon_326:
Does that have to do with ego, sometimes a little.

Why don't you like seeing sick moves anyway?

Of course the youtube videos and the whining about AAM has a lot to do with ego, just as I said before and you tried to deny. It's about "look at me, tell me I'm worth something."

I've seen plenty of videos (some only "sick" in the bad way), just none of yours, IIRC, and I've already said why.

Despite the continued AAM whining, my points in the last few posts still stand and ignoring the truth won't change it. Whining about AAM says far more about the whiner (and none of it good) than the pilot that uses them.