The control layout is wrong - control column should be right thumbstick.

The flight model is wrong and boring.

The game has nice graphics and sound.

But is so boring.

Thankfully I can check out the demo for free and not waste money on the game itself.

It is such a shame that all the flight sim console games are terrible - the most fun flying is in Battlefield 1943 - real dogfighting, leading with cannons, landing etc.

I can't imagine flying my jet with the right stick.

Hawx isn't a flight sim, its a flight action. Also, it really cannot be compared to WWII games because of missiles that lock on. It's a modern flight action title.

They aren't all terrible, or if they are, you just aren't a fan of the genre. I think all football video games are terrible, because I don't enjoy playing them.


Smoke, Ldogg

Ok. First off, I'd like to say that I'm a huge fan of all of Tom's games so far. Not so much with end-war, but it's new territorty for him game-wise, so experience will tell the tale in the end me thinks.
As far as Hawx is concerned, my only major issue would be the view for assist OFF flying. I think it's absolutely rediculous that you can't fly 1stperson/cockpit like all the rest. I personally think it would be the coolest thing to perform the crazy manuevers allowed my assist OFF from ANYTHING other than the clumsy 3rd person view provided.
I also take small issue with the all too sharp and precise handling of the planes/lack of true lift characteristics, but i'm sure they'll work that out in #2, and I SERIOUSLY hope they address the mandatory 3rd person view for assist OFF flying. Otherwise, great game so far (am just getting into it, just had my first distastefull experience with assist OFF)
On an unrelated note, people, this is just a game afterall. After quickly persusing the first page of this forum, I've come to decide that some of you need to lighten up a little bit. After all, at the very least, people are entitled to their opinions right? Isn't that what forums are all about??
Anyways, funny way to end a post about dissapointment, but Tom, great job on Hawx, already lookin forward to the sequel, but I sincerely hope you take into serious consideration some of the input you're getting from us, your loyal fans.

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Originally posted by Slyyde:
After quickly persusing the first page of this forum, I've come to decide that some of you need to lighten up a little bit.

After all, at the very least, people are entitled to their opinions right? Isn't that what forums are all about??

Of course it's not as bad as a few try to make it seem.

It should be what forums are about but if you don't agree with the bridge dwellers then you'll be attacked...

First of all , this game is not bad and certainly NOT a bad idea cause I LOVE Air Combat games and I have been waiting to play some modern stuff for years.


But. First day I played the game, instantly I have weird thoughts about the assistance mode , I thought it's mixed , cause Assistance OFF being the MAGIC CAMERA mode is stupid and out of any logic what so ever. Assistance ON being the normal mode , WTF?

What ASSISTANCE? A magic camera appears to view the plane and controls are inversed so I have no idea how the heck I fly the plane. THat's used for dogfights I think , but anyways the logic of being OFF as being used is stupid , OFF should be normal and ON should be assistance magic camera. In other words , the naming of the modes is correct if in vice versa , that's more logical to me.

Plus the main benefit of ASSISTANCE should be the view, not some magical things that make your plane easier to evade missiles or to alter the planes physics to make it more agile , this is not realistic.


ERS, that's quite a good idea to be a feature , but , it's a bit overpowered , it should be gained by experience as an upgrade , and versions of it too , the ERS for intercept should be split from ERS for missile, you would gain ERS tech naturally as you progress the campaign ..

DEPTH of the game , is slim , you start in AIR , and you finish in AIR , the campaign is too small ;;; the campaign missions are a success too soon , you should be able to eliminate all threats in the map before you finish , without that you destroy the objectives and the enemy forces would be automatically eliminated: that's wrong. Furthermore it has been discussed there are several airplanes' versions that their models matched , but in real life , they had very distinctive look (larger fuel tank,...etc) That again , not a quality effort.

BASIC AIR FEATURES:
Leakage , there's like, no USABLE airpads , airports , aircraft carriers , no plane gears , no landing and takeoff ,im not requesting a simulator , but that's a part that should be in every air game, so ... that's a huge hole in the game.

SPEED ACCURACY AND PLANE FEEL & BEHAVIOR DETAIL; THUS MULTIPLAYER ESCAPE:
Totally non realistic, I used many fighters and their TOP speed is basically always 2200, lower for other planes yes but ... , there is no plane that can outrun certain missiles , there is no stuff as mouse and cat due to forced looping dogfight while going nowhere at all , not enough plane specifications and details to make all planes unique, never had any experience as to what raptor has better than F2 , never noticed a difference , just in speed maybe. While Eurofighter is quite noticeably more agile and stable ; that's correct.
In multiplayer you have no means of escaping or EVADING BEING LOCK ON TO, you should not lock on to planes you can't see as they are behind a mountain or something , else , being able to swift through vallies and the other chase you , no , there's no that , you can't do that cause you just dead right away if you try. While YF-12A look like it's blackbird it isn't really , speed shows it's highest, but it doesn't go more than 2800. There is also no engine specifics and uniqueness , all planes have same acceleration and gravity does not affect speed at all , if you dive nose down you're speed will increase same as you wold be going up or being straight , that's lame , also the speed lowers it self to 1200 almost instantly as you take turns or slightly steer with the plane which is also stupid and non realistic , engines look like they don't have enough torque to be fast at turns , so , physics are really lame. And ALL that on ALL planes! Same! insane

DIFFICULTY SYSTEM; weak , lame , there's nothing other than damage scalar and lowered ammo. And that's all , there's no harder AI logic , no harder AI tactic no diversive AI paths(so that it takes different sneaky ways apart form easier difficulty setting) , no MORE units of enemy , basically it's always the same amount of enemy forces attacking you or whatever in the mission , there's no natural effects such as clouds , storms , to block your view or something... etc etc etc tons of diversness and depth could be done in Difficulty system. That's every's game standard. This game doesn't meet it by far.


MULTIPLAYER AND LAN: MP is a joke basically you have some upgrades that just magically boost you're plane , YOU SHOULD have gained these abilities with exp. BEFORE the start of the match(not round) , you should NOT be able to switch LOADOUT while RESPAWNING , this makes the game non interesting. As you should RESPAWN on an airfield or carrier. Also the current respawning positions are a total disaster , you respawn on the same crap location all the time , the dogfights are looping and go nowhere , basically when Im dead , i respawn , and the enemy has a lock on right when I respawn , and that goes all over again and again.

Plus those upgrades you get should be added when you respawn on a airfield, the upgrading should be in real time , so you will see the tech upgrading a cannon for example , adding a high caliber one for example , thus the upgrade would be permanent , not some magical instant upgrades as of currently. Each player should have it's own airfield or carrier or both or combination , with a defensive force defending the airpads', game options should be huge, from XversusX (x stands for any number), so each player should start/respawn off map in an airfield and fight in the "center" of the map, the other mode should be XvsX but that there's no restricted areas, so the players should fight so until one of them destroys the protected airfields so the other can't respawn , plus making this Fully AI supportive , that I can alone play such a game mode.

There's tons of ideas out there ...

MULTIPLAYER AND LAN FEATURES: Where is the game , actually there is nothing , I can play lan with my brother but , where are the BOTS , where are the AI's I can select of , where is the SKIRMISH system , I can't place a enemy forces on land , deploy their planes and start a battle , I can't do that , where is CUSTOMIZATION??????????

1v1 LAN sucks , 1 player has basically nothing of this game except a short campaign and boring online.

I want a system when you can make your own battle with MORE MAPS , and larger maps with actual usable airfields ,


EXPERIENCE SYSTEM , dumb , who ever thought of CONNECTING MULTIPLAYER experience with SINGLEPLAYER , I don't care , but it's just not going to work , that makes all just noninteresting as it ruins the way the gameplay goes , I started campaing firstly , I still have 10 planes left to unlcok , but I finished the campaign , so I must play multiplayer to finsih the game ACTUALLY? , WTF, this ruins the SP , as if you started with MP , you will have everything unlocked in SP , when you start it then , the game becomes incoherent as you use some planes that are too good for a mission or just it's not the right experience as you would normally.


THE VERDICT:

The overall game is good as it's the only game modern AIR combat style.

The core of the game is great, targeting , planes, active combat , flight systems, info for flight is good too , so the core is solid.

But the BASIC stuff and customizations thus lack of features and modes burry this game quite much. What can I do with the great core , while the options to use it are very small.

That's the same as having a high end PC case with all the good stuff in , while having 10 inch black/white CRT monitor , 98 mouse and keyboard , mono speakers , ...

While the worst thing you could do is to make the DLC exclusive for consoles that's the biggest crap I ever seen in gaming history , a crappy M$ console and worthless PS3 could outrun the PC by means of content and features. I have never saw such weird events, lately it's more and more this.

Can't you just say; "F off , we won't make any exclusive DLC for your crappy console"



I seriously encourage UBISOFT to actually do something about this game , get it straight , get it as it's supposed to be , I would like to see a good air game , this just failed , I hope nobody takes this criticism as bad , devs should view this as an opportunity to correct their self and to make effort into making a better experience for the player. Come on , first thing you should do is to release the supermacy pack for PC , or at least some news when this game is going to be fixed and overhauled.

If I would be a director , i would be ashamed putting an unfinished game out.


//////////////Regardless of "how the things are" being talked by that thread , the current state of the game is exactly like described above, and there's nothing anybody can do to change my mind. For once , the trailers I expected a high quality game , now , you got to be kidding me with this. Well suit your selfs, I'll think about it twice if buying games from ubisoft again. Far Cry 2 was a surprising dissapoint either.

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Originally posted by Stewox:
First of all , this game is not bad and certainly NOT a bad idea cause I LOVE Air Combat games and I have been waiting to play some modern stuff for years.


...there's nothing anybody can do to change my mind.

Well suit your selfs, I'll think about it twice if buying games from ubisoft again.

You should have stopped there because you were right about that; it's not a bad game.

Why would anybody want to change your mind? It's not our fault that you don't understand assistance off, that you don't appreciate ERS (both of which are optional for the most part) or that you expected (or would have done) something different.

Promise?

Hi, BTO. He DID respond, didn't he?

Stewox, if you're going to "debate" with this chap, read through some of these threads to see what you're in for and if it's something you'd like to do. Many of your criticisms have already been mentioned by others to which said chap has, as well, already responded to. Either way, good luck, sir.

BTO, your definition of "attack" seems pretty one-sided. All I would like to do is give this new gentleman a heads up so he doesn't get sucked into another one of those "flame" discussions. I'm actually trying to PREVENT it.

He's allowed to reply, there's nothing in the rules that says a member can't reply, just because you don't want them to, however.....

What part of the rules on posting attacks on other members do you NOT understand?

You have made quite a few posts on the forums, naming the member in question, and attacking him personally, and that is most definitely against both the forum rules, and the Terms of Use that all members agree to when they make an account here.

Just because you don't agree with, or like the way a member posts, is no reason to flame them, so please remember this, as no one is forcing you to make the posts, that's entirely your own decission.

We all know he's never going let it go...

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Originally posted by Master_Cylinder:
We all know he's never going let it go...

And you can STOP adding fuel to the fire, remarks like that are simply flame bait, and borderline trolling, so don't try to act completely blameless, your posting style at times leaves a lot to be desired.

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Originally posted by BTOG46:

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Originally posted by Master_Cylinder:
We all know he's never going let it go...

And you can STOP adding fuel to the fire, remarks like that are simply flame bait, and borderline trolling, so don't try to act completely blameless, your posting style at times leaves a lot to be desired.

BS, HE's (one of) the troll/flamer bringing up *my* name in threads I've never even posted in because he can't get over himself. I never post his name nor even reply to his retardation in public unless somebody quotes him...and even then I usually ignore that too.

You should quit blaming me because the mods don't stop him and, as you said, nobody makes him do it, he chooses to do it. As for my "posting style," if he doesn't like it he can put me on ignore, that's what it's there for but even you admit I have a right to post, even if he doesn't like how I do it...

Your posting style, is, at times borderline, and often contains little barbs, designed to provoke others, and your air of aggrieved innocence is a waste of time, you are just as guilty as those who attack you are, and it takes two sides to have a flame war.

Even your reply to my post is not the reply of a truly innocent party, it's the same little barbs aimed at others as you often post.

So I will say this for the very LAST time, if everyone doesn't stop, people are going to get suspended.

You're assuming my intentions and it's just not so.

Then I suggest you modify your posting style, as my judgement is based on the content of your posts, and not on assuming your intentions.

As far as I'm concerned, this matter is now closed, if either party have any further grievances, you can air them via PM's as discussing things here is just derailing the original thread.

No, no. HAWX is definitely a disappointment, in my opinion. heh Very much so.