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Originally posted by northtouk:

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Originally posted by ElysianGuardian:
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ok a couple things:
you're arguing for no reason. i wasnt talking about using it to supplement the carrier's power supply. US carriers are nuclear, france has 1 nuclear, russia's uses nuclear and diesel, and no one else could afford the process. i was referring to the purpose of a carrier - to CARRY AIRCRAFT. aircraft need fuel.
second:
...F15E pilots who play with their stick too much. can you predict the infinitesimally small fluxuations throughout the entire biosphere? hardly. all i was saying is that "i'm concerned." because i WILL admit that i cant factor in every environmental variable(wow, i'm repeating myself...but obviously you didnt read anything the first time through).

did you read my post, or simply drop the flamebait cuz you knew i'd bite?

jeez i hate trolls.

I reedited my original post because I believe I came off too harsh. I am not retired, I am a current Naval Aviator. My major is Agricultural Biotechnology (you wouldn't have known that so I don't blame you in that point) so I am that kind of sort. Multiple credit hours in Organic Chemistry and Biochemistry, and Physics. Although I haven't studied Ocean biosystems directly I can still make assumptions. The problem in question here is the desalination of water and its effect, the ocean varies in sality within itself 3.2 to 3.8% and with the Earth containing 1.4 billion cubic kilometers of water .1% is a tremoundous amount.http://eesc.columbia.edu/cours...ectures/o_strat.html
The world is going to desalinated water as a way to cover it's population needs includingFrance, would consume more than the US Navy ever could.
While true if water is not replenished at any point and the salt is retained that will lower the freezing point, however we still consume salt, IMO to many moving parts for it to have any immediate effect. CO2 emissions are significantly more of problem to back up your point more so then higher salt-concentrated oceans. If you have an educated response to this rather than banter I would like to hear it, and please include what you "do all day" Otherwise...

Well, since we're comparing academic-penis-sizes i'll state that i'm a graduate of NCSU with a BS in mechanical engineering and psychology, and an Associates in High Performance Computing. although its not agricultural biotechnology(read: farmtech), it is science, and so lets approach this from a scientific perspective, now that the penis competition is outta the way...
you're a poor scientist to assume anything.
the problem with desalinating ocean water and then pumping the leftover crap back in is that its a cumulative effect whose repercussions will not be noticed for more than a generation due to human adaptability. over hundreds of millions of years our planet has - until humanity came along and screwed up the equasion - worked on establishing a balance between all climates and the lifeforms that inhabit each of them. as madmax stated, the melting and refreezing of polar caps is a natural occurance that has, according to most evidence, been happening over and over again long before we arrived. one of the aspects i've never liked about government employees is most of them that remain government employees eventually believe that every problem can be solved in a single lifetime if we throw enough capital at it. this is simply not true and from scarcity of food supplies to medical research its proven time and time again(war on drugs, hunger, poverty, cancer, terrorism, etc.)
I may not be an oceanographer but i do understand natural progression, history, and the irrational behavior of humanity as a whole. and thinking there will be no consequences to vastly increased ratios of salt to water(compared to salt content ratios prior to humanity's meddlings) in our oceans is lunacy; this is not reflected by simple statistics - if you had already acquired your degree you'd have learned this by now...what seems small to us can easily become a global catastrophe because of the clockwork perfection of nature.
nature spent more than half a billion years developing the levels of alkalines in our oceans; and anyone who says there wont be a problem is the same kind of person who thought the Manhattan Project was a great idea.
standing on the shoulders of nature itself to get what we think we need, and expecting the best outcome. typical military doctrine, and i dont swallow. sorry.

as for what i 'do all day' - i nearly lost my life after college and have been stuck on disability ever since. i volunteer with the local fire department when possible. but honestly thats none of your business - i'm not the one who advertises my job in my signature.

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Originally posted by ElysianGuardian:
[...]typical military doctrine, and i dont swallow. sorry.[...]

You might want to rephrase that, because it sounds wrong.

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Originally posted by oOMadMaxOo:

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Originally posted by ElysianGuardian:
[...]typical military doctrine, and i dont swallow. sorry.[...]

You might want to rephrase that, because it sounds wrong.

heh nah, thats exactly how i wanted it to sound because if i reworded it the way i'd speak to him IRL, i'd get banned or autocensored. lol

save yourself the wrist-strain dude. im dropping the subject.

you win! congrats! here's a cookie.

now my pain medication is kicking in so its bedtime anyway.

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Faced with global warming

The first line is somewhat disturbing. I mean, one of the ways of getting the CO2 out of the atmosphere is into the oceans. Now with less oceans and more CO2, we're just speeding up the inevitable. It's not helping that the oceans are getting warmer, then even less CO2 will be absorbed.

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Originally posted by ElysianGuardian:[1]...BS in mechanical engineering and psychology, and an Associates in High Performance Computing. although its not agricultural biotechnology(read: farmtech), it is science, and so lets approach this from a scientific perspective, now that the penis competition is outta the way...
[2]- "trying to apply it to a really large scale worries me though - what are they doing with the salt left over? pumping it back into the sea? that'll just lower the freezing point. might cause environmental problems from melting/refreezing at the poles...or the various global streams of air. most current fuel 'solutions' have way too many critical sideaffects.."
[3] you're a poor scientist to assume anything.
[4] one of the aspects i've never liked about government employees is most of them that remain government employees eventually believe that every problem can be solved in a single lifetime if we throw enough capital at it. this is simply not true and from scarcity of food supplies to medical research its proven time and time again(war on drugs, hunger, poverty, cancer, terrorism, etc.) …and anyone who says there wont be a problem is the same kind of person who thought the Manhattan Project was a great idea… typical military doctrine, and i dont swallow. sorry.

[5] as for what i 'do all day' - i nearly lost my life after college and have been stuck on disability ever since. i volunteer with the local fire department when possible. but honestly thats none of your business - i'm not the one who advertises my job in my signature….
[6]“heh nah, thats exactly how i wanted it to sound because if i reworded it the way i'd speak to him IRL, i'd get banned or autocensored. lol”

1)... just a small edit to the penis competition my degree is specializes in the biosystems of agriculture (i.e. genetics and cellular pathways, more along the lines of Genetic Engineering vice Agricultural Engineering http://www.uky.edu/Ag/Biotechnology/ (i.e. equipment)(just a clarification for the audience you were targeting with that)

2) Sorry if I am coming off as harsh but you are singling out the Navy for some reason. The Navy is doing this out of the need for strategic purposes with the technology, if it ever worked would eventually filtering out.

3) Your wrong on this, scientist work with assumptions in every experiment they do, you can't question everything you do in a experiment. You can test a variable, but how would you test one this big, how would you cancel out all the variables except salt? Too complex. And since I’m the only one backing myself up with sources, your either to lazy or don’t know what your talking about… And with just one semester of chemistry under your belt with no biology or any more complex of any kind under your belt http://www.uncwil.edu/preeng/files/ME.pdf ... I am assuming the latter. Understanding peoples thought processes is more of your specialty for this discussion.

4) I am not sure what you are rambling about here, apparently because I am in the military I blindly advocate everything the government does? Ok I’ll bite…Where do you think most lab money comes from? It comes from the federal government. You think any commercial entity cares about half of the things that get studied at universities? Food is being engineered to be larger more able to grow in more tolerable conditions, and you think medical research hasn’t come anywhere in the last 50 years or last 10. What are you talking about. Also, Jet Fuel ---to--- Atomic Bomb…. A little bit of reach you think? And please if you have some better solutions to ANY of this topics please let somebody know. You can complain about everything if you want to but if you don’t offer any ideas nobody is going to listen. I’m not sure misgivings you have about the military and honestly I don’t care, because at the end of the day we protect people like you because it’s our duty.

5) (No sarcasm seriously in the first part) I am glad that you support your local fire department you’re your time. I just hope they are not the ones you “deal” with all day. The signature itself is more to directly answer questions about military aviation, and the military in general. I do have specific knowledge which is helpful to answer some of these guys questions via pm. If they weren't interested in either they wouldn't play this game. And yes some of it is pride I would be lying if I said I wasn't proud of what I have accomplished. .

6) Please if you have something else to say to me “IRL” feel free to PM me.

Please allow me to remind everyone here, this is the internet and only the internet.

Shoot the s**t, but leave it at that. After all, all our e-words are exactly that: s**t and nothing more than s**t.

We good?

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Originally posted by Adnihilis:
Please allow me to remind everyone here, this is the internet and only the internet.

Shoot the s**t, but leave it at that. After all, all our e-words are exactly that: s**t and nothing more than s**t.

We good?

I will kick your *** faggot

EDIT: Lol, the word for a donkey is apparently way worse than homophobia.

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Originally posted by northtouk:

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Originally posted by ElysianGuardian:[1]...BS in mechanical engineering and psychology, and an Associates in High Performance Computing. although its not agricultural biotechnology(read: farmtech), it is science, and so lets approach this from a scientific perspective, now that the penis competition is outta the way...
[2]- "trying to apply it to a really large scale worries me though - what are they doing with the salt left over? pumping it back into the sea? that'll just lower the freezing point. might cause environmental problems from melting/refreezing at the poles...or the various global streams of air. most current fuel 'solutions' have way too many critical sideaffects.."
[3] you're a poor scientist to assume anything.
[4] one of the aspects i've never liked about government employees is most of them that remain government employees eventually believe that every problem can be solved in a single lifetime if we throw enough capital at it. this is simply not true and from scarcity of food supplies to medical research its proven time and time again(war on drugs, hunger, poverty, cancer, terrorism, etc.) …and anyone who says there wont be a problem is the same kind of person who thought the Manhattan Project was a great idea… typical military doctrine, and i dont swallow. sorry.

[5] as for what i 'do all day' - i nearly lost my life after college and have been stuck on disability ever since. i volunteer with the local fire department when possible. but honestly thats none of your business - i'm not the one who advertises my job in my signature….
[6]“heh nah, thats exactly how i wanted it to sound because if i reworded it the way i'd speak to him IRL, i'd get banned or autocensored. lol”

1)... just a small edit to the penis competition my degree is specializes in the biosystems of agriculture (i.e. genetics and cellular pathways, more along the lines of Genetic Engineering vice Agricultural Engineering http://www.uky.edu/Ag/Biotechnology/ (i.e. equipment)(just a clarification for the audience you were targeting with that)

2) Sorry if I am coming off as harsh but you are singling out the Navy for some reason. The Navy is doing this out of the need for strategic purposes with the technology, if it ever worked would eventually filtering out.

3) Your wrong on this, scientist work with assumptions in every experiment they do, you can't question everything you do in a experiment. You can test a variable, but how would you test one this big, how would you cancel out all the variables except salt? Too complex. And since I’m the only one backing myself up with sources, your either to lazy or don’t know what your talking about… And with just one semester of chemistry under your belt with no biology or any more complex of any kind under your belt http://www.uncwil.edu/preeng/files/ME.pdf ... I am assuming the latter. Understanding peoples thought processes is more of your specialty for this discussion.

4) I am not sure what you are rambling about here, apparently because I am in the military I blindly advocate everything the government does? Ok I’ll bite…Where do you think most lab money comes from? It comes from the federal government. You think any commercial entity cares about half of the things that get studied at universities? Food is being engineered to be larger more able to grow in more tolerable conditions, and you think medical research hasn’t come anywhere in the last 50 years or last 10. What are you talking about. Also, Jet Fuel ---to--- Atomic Bomb…. A little bit of reach you think? And please if you have some better solutions to ANY of this topics please let somebody know. You can complain about everything if you want to but if you don’t offer any ideas nobody is going to listen. I’m not sure misgivings you have about the military and honestly I don’t care, because at the end of the day we protect people like you because it’s our duty.

5) (No sarcasm seriously in the first part) I am glad that you support your local fire department you’re your time. I just hope they are not the ones you “deal” with all day. The signature itself is more to directly answer questions about military aviation, and the military in general. I do have specific knowledge which is helpful to answer some of these guys questions via pm. If they weren't interested in either they wouldn't play this game. And yes some of it is pride I would be lying if I said I wasn't proud of what I have accomplished. .

6) Please if you have something else to say to me “IRL” feel free to PM me.

oh this is great. im gonna have fun with this.

1.) what audience was i targeting? you've admitted your pride - you're too verbose with your description of what your major is. believe it or not but before i matriculated i took many of your core classes, because i wasnt sure what i wanted to do as a freshman.

2.) i have NOT been singling out the navy. in fact if i had to CHOOSE an armed services branch, i'd sign up as a submariner. you just dont read anything do you? its like someone gave you a blackberry with a net connnection and now you're an encyclopedia. stop quoting your google searches, its pointless hyperbole because this is not a Nobel Prize debate.
you want to know what my problem is with the military though? my biological father, who worked in the virginia shipyards in WWII, acquired mesothelioma and died 28 years ago from today. hows that for not foreseeing consequences? you military hotshots think you have the answer to every problem.
3.) when will you realize quoting internet sources is a waste of keystrokes? you show me a statistical report that says one thing and i'll show you one that says the complete opposite. Statistics lie, plain and simple. and thats the first thing you learn in statistical probabilities classes.
your google skills are also lacking, because your pdf reference is an old setup to NCSU's ME department. i did in fact take biology, anatomy, thermodynamics, statics, organic chem, and i took a second-level biology class as an elective. so zip your pants back up pal.
4.)if you're in the military, you DO follow everything the government tells you to, because you took an oath to obey the wishes of the politicians. have you even read Vom Kriege? probably not, but if you have i suggest you read it again.
and whats this about protecting people like me? hahaha...you dont even know me. i'm a communist, so you definitely wont be ordered to protect me. not like i need it, either. dont toot your own horn on this subject because you're just one fly amongst thousands, and the only way for military personnel to earn my respect is to die in combat. THEN you have my respect. not before.
5.) where does the money come from for research? FROM TAXPAYERS. jesus h christ, did *you* take any economics classes? someone give me a necknife to end my suffering now. and jet fuel + airborne dispersement = fuel-air bombs...mininukes. everything that is created eventually winds up in the arsenal of the militant. so its not a stretch at all to make the connections between nuclear arsenals and other military technologies.
6.) real life and PM's? i dont trashtalk in real life. i'll leap on you like a gay marine who saw a VC drop his soap; no warning. if you ever have to stop in to cherry point, fort bragg, or Seymour Johnson AFB, let me know and we'll drop rank outside the front gate(so you can have a posse of MPs with you, sailor).

you started the hostility in this thread pal, and i'm gonna finish it. I dont dislike the navy, just you.

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Originally posted by ElysianGuardian:

oh this is great. im gonna have fun with this.

1.) what audience was i targeting? you've admitted your pride - you're too verbose with your description of what your major is. believe it or not but before i matriculated i took many of your core classes, because i wasnt sure what i wanted to do as a freshman.

2.) i have NOT been singling out the navy. in fact if i had to CHOOSE an armed services branch, i'd sign up as a submariner. you just dont read anything do you? its like someone gave you a blackberry with a net connnection and now you're an encyclopedia. stop quoting your google searches, its pointless hyperbole because this is not a Nobel Prize debate.
you want to know what my problem is with the military though? my biological father, who worked in the virginia shipyards in WWII, acquired mesothelioma and died 28 years ago from today. hows that for not foreseeing consequences? you military hotshots think you have the answer to every problem.
3.) when will you realize quoting internet sources is a waste of keystrokes? you show me a statistical report that says one thing and i'll show you one that says the complete opposite. Statistics lie, plain and simple. and thats the first thing you learn in statistical probabilities classes.
your google skills are also lacking, because your pdf reference is an old setup to NCSU's ME department. i did in fact take biology, anatomy, thermodynamics, statics, organic chem, and i took a second-level biology class as an elective. so zip your pants back up pal.
4.)if you're in the military, you DO follow everything the government tells you to, because you took an oath to obey the wishes of the politicians. have you even read Vom Kriege? probably not, but if you have i suggest you read it again.
5.) where does the money come from for research? FROM TAXPAYERS. jesus h christ, did *you* take any economics classes? someone give me a necknife to end my suffering now. and jet fuel + airborne dispersement = fuel-air bombs...mininukes. everything that is created eventually winds up in the arsenal of the militant. so its not a stretch at all to make the connections between nuclear arsenals and other military technologies.
6.) real life and PM's? i dont trashtalk in real life. i'll leap on you like a gay marine who saw a VC drop his soap; no warning. if you ever have to stop in to cherry point, fort bragg, or Seymour Johnson AFB, let me know and we'll drop rank outside the front gate(so you can have a posse of MPs with you, sailor).

you started the hostility in this thread pal, and i'm gonna finish it. I dont dislike the navy, just you.

1) You're trying to pigeon hole my degree as "farmtech" which you're trying to discredit it... it's like me labeling your degree as "lego-builder".
2) The country was at war. Your dad helped save lives by building those ships back then, to which eventually took his. But I'm sure the government had more pressing issues in WWII than to study all the possible affects of each chemical that could be inhaled while shipbuilding and the long-term effects, even with today technology that is a lengthy-process. My dad died two years ago, from kidney cancer from working at a brake plant. People's parents die in coal mines from black lung, my point the civilian sector has the same problems, and you just find out eventually the harm in a chemical/product. Even today is the cell phone industry supposed to determine if there is a direct corollation between cellphone usage and brain cancer, before releasing the first phone. These are life long studies, and eventually we will know.
3) What I quoted from sources were facts and not the analysis of the facts.
4) I follow lawful orders.
5) Please show me a source on this and stop talking your ..., where is it stated that the Navy wants to use jet fuel procured from salt water for weapons. We have ordinance, we need fuel.
6) Whatever dude.

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Originally posted by ElysianGuardian:
…you want to know what my problem is with the military though? …. I dont dislike the navy, just you.

Your the one trying to get hostile for ... whatever reason, I guess since someone called you out. You contradict yourself in your own post, you clearly don't like don't the military, I could care less, but don't spread pointless lies about us.

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Originally posted by northtouk:

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Originally posted by ElysianGuardian:

oh this is great. im gonna have fun with this.

1.) what audience was i targeting? you've admitted your pride - you're too verbose with your description of what your major is. believe it or not but before i matriculated i took many of your core classes, because i wasnt sure what i wanted to do as a freshman.

2.) i have NOT been singling out the navy. in fact if i had to CHOOSE an armed services branch, i'd sign up as a submariner. you just dont read anything do you? its like someone gave you a blackberry with a net connnection and now you're an encyclopedia. stop quoting your google searches, its pointless hyperbole because this is not a Nobel Prize debate.
you want to know what my problem is with the military though? my biological father, who worked in the virginia shipyards in WWII, acquired mesothelioma and died 28 years ago from today. hows that for not foreseeing consequences? you military hotshots think you have the answer to every problem.
3.) when will you realize quoting internet sources is a waste of keystrokes? you show me a statistical report that says one thing and i'll show you one that says the complete opposite. Statistics lie, plain and simple. and thats the first thing you learn in statistical probabilities classes.
your google skills are also lacking, because your pdf reference is an old setup to NCSU's ME department. i did in fact take biology, anatomy, thermodynamics, statics, organic chem, and i took a second-level biology class as an elective. so zip your pants back up pal.
4.)if you're in the military, you DO follow everything the government tells you to, because you took an oath to obey the wishes of the politicians. have you even read Vom Kriege? probably not, but if you have i suggest you read it again.
5.) where does the money come from for research? FROM TAXPAYERS. jesus h christ, did *you* take any economics classes? someone give me a necknife to end my suffering now. and jet fuel + airborne dispersement = fuel-air bombs...mininukes. everything that is created eventually winds up in the arsenal of the militant. so its not a stretch at all to make the connections between nuclear arsenals and other military technologies.
6.) real life and PM's? i dont trashtalk in real life. i'll leap on you like a gay marine who saw a VC drop his soap; no warning. if you ever have to stop in to cherry point, fort bragg, or Seymour Johnson AFB, let me know and we'll drop rank outside the front gate(so you can have a posse of MPs with you, sailor).

you started the hostility in this thread pal, and i'm gonna finish it. I dont dislike the navy, just you.

1) You're trying to pigeon hole my degree as "farmtech" which you're trying to discredit it... it's like me labeling your degree as "lego-builder".
2) The country was at war. Your dad helped save lives by building those ships back then, to which eventually took his. But I'm sure the government had more pressing issues in WWII than to study all the possible affects of each chemical that could be inhaled while shipbuilding and the long-term effects, even with today technology that is a lengthy-process. My dad died two years ago, from kidney cancer from working at a brake plant. People's parents die in coal mines from black lung, my point the civilian sector has the same problems, and you just find out eventually the harm in a chemical/product. Even today is the cell phone industry supposed to determine if there is a direct corollation between cellphone usage and brain cancer, before releasing the first phone. These are life long studies, and eventually we will know.
3) What I quoted from sources were facts and not the analysis of the facts.
4) I follow lawful orders.
5) Please show me a source on this and stop talking your ..., where is it stated that the Navy wants to use jet fuel procured from salt water for weapons. We have ordinance, we need fuel.
6) Whatever dude.

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Originally posted by ElysianGuardian:
…you want to know what my problem is with the military though? …. I dont dislike the navy, just you.

Your the one trying to get hostile for ... whatever reason, I guess since someone called you out. You contradict yourself in your own post, you clearly don't like don't the military, I could care less, but don't spread pointless lies about us.

actually you openly admitted your first reply to my simple first post was hostile, and so then you went back and erased the hostile parts. now i know why you fly an electronic warfare jet. you're a squirmy misdirecting little thing.
the only important point you end up making is that the military is free of responsability to the civilian sector. no benefits, no civilian medals like the old soviet union. if you're a civilian, you're just a target to protect or destroy.
how totally convenient to use the threat of war as an excuse to shrug global responsability. "it was war". no **** sherlock, but that doesnt excuse the military branch of a nation from fixing the things they screw up.
we'll never agree on anything, you and I, thats for absolute certainty. unless you agree that we wont agree, of course.

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Originally posted by Myke08:

quote:

Originally posted by Adnihilis:
Please allow me to remind everyone here, this is the internet and only the internet.

Shoot the s**t, but leave it at that. After all, all our e-words are exactly that: s**t and nothing more than s**t.

We good?

I will kick your *** faggot

EDIT: Lol, the word for a donkey is apparently way worse than homophobia.

That hurts me deep, yo. I'll e-kick YOUR donkey, poonface.

poonface, thats a nice image...

An interesting idea, though I do not se how arguing about it will solve anything. Now, if they can refine this into k-1 kero, then why not further refine it into gasoline or deisel? As for he methane, that could be refined into natural gas for cooking and heating purposes. Once again, I see a great idea that the military has come up with that can trickle down to the civilian world for great benefit. As for what to do with the salt? How about utilizing it for sale to industry for whatever they can do with it? Hey, "waste not, want not".