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Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
What surprises me is the surprise y'all have at the lack of communication and support from Ubi.

Why would that be a surprise? I rarely see any kind of forum updates from STEAM/Valve/most other companies either. That some people feel they need their hand held doesn't mean they're going to get it held. You might see more personal attention from smaller companies but FAR LESS from the larger ones...

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Originally posted by Makasuro:
This new Ubisoft is like a chinese carebear factory that puts lead into their products, and then wont accept responsibility.

Oh, but they sure are on top of enforcing random forum rules.

Natzis.

They do accept responsibility, they've made 2 patches, so far, since it was released. Just because you don't get what YOU want doesn't make you right.

Any company/web site/forum/server admin has every right to make whatever rules they want, although I agree that random enforcement is wrong and they should enforce the same rules for everyone.

Nazi doesn't have a "t" in it and calling the moderators/forum managers/etc Nazis because you're bitter and angry is probably not a smart idea...

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Originally posted by BTOG46:
Unit_14

The Forum Moderators are not devs, and aren't Ubisoft employees.

If you have any complaints about moderating decisions on these boards, feel free to voice your complaints in a PM to a Forum Manager, the forum isn't the place to discuss matters of that kind.

Regarding what you perceive as "attacks" against you, forum rules being enforced are not attacks, please don't think you're important enough to warrant personal attention, if you had bothered to read them in the first place, you would have no need to edit your sig in the first place.

I bare no ill-will, I wish none upon anyone here. My stunt is over. Please excuse my somewhat temperamental reaction and expressively colorful mannerisms. Forum Sig War over!!!

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Originally posted by Master_Cylinder:

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Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
What surprises me is the surprise y'all have at the lack of communication and support from Ubi.

Why would that be a surprise? I rarely see any kind of forum updates from STEAM/Valve/most other companies either. That some people feel they need their hand held doesn't mean they're going to get it held. You might see more personal attention from smaller companies but FAR LESS from the larger ones...

Try this on for size, a rather old game, Quake or Doom, I can't remember which, just got a patch. Ubi will not even patch a year old game.

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Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
Try this on for size, a rather old game, Quake or Doom, I can't remember which, just got a patch.

Ubi will not even patch a year old game.

I believe those are both open source now.

Either way, 99+% of games have an EOL...

Games do not become open source, they still belong to the companies that developed them.

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Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
Games do not become open source, they still belong to the companies that developed them.

Quake: Open source

"Open Source and Quake
1/6/2000

The Open Source movement got a Christmas present at the end of 1999, some assembly
required. John Carmack of id software, arguably the greatest games programmer ever,
released the source code for Quake, the wildly popular shoot-em-up."



Doom: Open source
"Doom source code

The Doom source code was released December 23, 1997, initially under a not-for-profit license. Later, permission was granted to re-release the source code under the GNU GPL in October 3, 1999."



Hope that helps...

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Originally posted by SkopeDog:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by IamKFAM:
There is another posibility... 900,000 copies are sitting on the shelf, unplayed anymore. And those folks don't care to post about it....

I know 10 of them.

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Aren't you cool. Saying you know 10 people that do the same thing doesn't not an argument. Especially when it's the number 10, a mentally satisfying number. I have to think there is some exaggeration. Either way, I'm seeing plenty of people, even in Ubi.com.

Actually it's more like 13, no exaggeration. I'm a PS3 player and the online numbers are down greatly. Many who once played have moved on, I was counting from my friends list... But you don't have to believe me, I don't care. Made my goal of 40 yesterday and like those others I'm done now too. And yes it "doesn't too" make an argument, for what's happening on PS3 at least. Enjoy PC land and the perception that the online community will thrive. As for PS3 this one will be over faster than Blazing Angels. An that is no exaggeration. For many of us, the online experience is key to longevity in a game, this one does not have the completeness it takes to last past the curiosity of seeing an SU-47. (which is a complete dog in "on" mode by the way... Never need anything more than an SU-37... but I digress...)

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Originally posted by IamKFAM:
Made my goal of 40 yesterday and like those others I'm done now too.

How many hours of play time did that take?

I'm estimating a bit here... spent about 8 on the single player... Did the most of the rest in Ranked online, that's a little over 60... Did play a couple of evenings in Player matches call it 10... of course this is actual play time and not the time spent waiting for the games to start while folks sat there not hitting "ready"...

Call it 80 all in all...

Keep in mind while making your value judgement, I've got over 400 hours in Warhawk and over a year apiece in each of the Blazing Angels PS3 titles... Hawx got old too soon in my opinion, that is simply how I feel about it.

I find 8 in SP a little hard to believe, I must have crashed more because I have an estimated 50 hours and I'm only level 28. For me that's just 1 dollar an hour, so far. Now you may or may not have gotten 400 hours in another game but that other game isn't HAWX and nobody is forcing you to quit playing HAWX. I can point to more expensive games that I had less than 10 hours playing so it goes both ways.

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Originally posted by Master_Cylinder:

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Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
What surprises me is the surprise y'all have at the lack of communication and support from Ubi.

Why would that be a surprise? I rarely see any kind of forum updates from STEAM/Valve/most other companies either. That some people feel they need their hand held doesn't mean they're going to get it held. You might see more personal attention from smaller companies but FAR LESS from the larger ones...

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Originally posted by Makasuro:
This new Ubisoft is like a chinese carebear factory that puts lead into their products, and then wont accept responsibility.

Oh, but they sure are on top of enforcing random forum rules.

Natzis.

They do accept responsibility, they've made 2 patches, so far, since it was released. Just because you don't get what YOU want doesn't make you right.

Any company/web site/forum/server admin has every right to make whatever rules they want, although I agree that random enforcement is wrong and they should enforce the same rules for everyone.

Nazi doesn't have a "t" in it and calling the moderators/forum managers/etc Nazis because you're bitter and angry is probably not a smart idea...

They've made 2 failed patches, you don't see any updates from other large companies, especially Valve, because their games aren't buggy as hell. And actually work online, and have everything PC gamers want in online gaming.

I could give a flying crap what these forum nazi admins think of what I say about them at this point, they can ban me all day long. I don't care because this game is practically done for. You're pretty much the only person still standing up for this companies bad business practices, which no one understands why. I have a feeling you're a friend of someone who works in Ubisoft.

Anyway I'm done, I'm out.

Have fun with your broken product.

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Originally posted by Master_Cylinder:
I find 8 in SP a little hard to believe, I must have crashed more because I have an estimated 50 hours and I'm only level 28. For me that's just 1 dollar an hour, so far. Now you may or may not have gotten 400 hours in another game but that other game isn't HAWX and nobody is forcing you to quit playing HAWX. I can point to more expensive games that I had less than 10 hours playing so it goes both ways.

Played through the campaign once on elite difficulty, gaining all available xp and trophies in one play through (Talking about the bonus xp here not the xp you get for making kills). I may be a little slight on the hours but it was less than 12. Let's call it 20 for fun. Let's also say I played more non-ranked online than I estimated, let's double that to 20. Now we're at 100 hours and I'm bored. Is it value? Some would say yes. I expected more from the multiplayer side than I got, so I say no... I know you don't agree as you don't even play multiplayer. Multiplayer availability is the only reason I buy a game... Warhawk is multiplayer only and doesn't even have a campaign... my 400 hours there are quite verifiable but I don't feel the need to send you to the stat site to get verification. I spent that much time online with Warhawk because I still find it fun. Not out of some sense that I need to get to the end rank.

I'll just say while I'm done with Hawx now, I still play Blazing Angels 2 every wednesday night standing with a big enough group to fill a server, If any of y'all have that game for PS3... see you there.

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Originally posted by Makasuro:
They've made 2 failed patches, you don't see any updates from other large companies, especially Valve, because their games aren't buggy as hell.

Actually, despite the whining, both patches *did* fix some bugs, just not all of them and perhaps not the bugs you were hoping to be fixed first. Furthermore, you often see patches for Valve and Steam and they don't hold the hands of the players with forum updates either.

I'd say try again but it doesn't look like you'll be able to reply much longer.

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Originally posted by IamKFAM:
Played through the campaign once on elite difficulty, gaining all available xp and trophies in one play through (Talking about the bonus xp here not the xp you get for making kills). I may be a little slight on the hours but it was less than 12. Let's call it 20 for fun. Let's also say I played more non-ranked online than I estimated, let's double that to 20. Now we're at 100 hours and I'm bored. Is it value? Some would say yes. I expected more from the multiplayer side than I got, so I say no...

I know you don't agree as you don't even play multiplayer.

19 missions, 3 difficulty levels and ~75 achievements/challenges *just for SP* (on the PC anyway), I find 20 hard to believe too. Now, if you *only* played the highest skill level you still have challenges to complete too.

I'd still say that just because you played it less than some other games (I've played it more than many other games) doesn't change the fact that you have over 100 hours in HAWX, which at full price averages to 50 cents an hour based on 49.99 price. Value, as I've said multiple times, is subjective but it's certainly not as bad as a few TRY to imply or nobody would have hundreds of hours. As for my multiplayer exp, I installed Tunngle after finishing SP (except for vertigo (I use the KB and haven't bought a stick...yet)) because Garena doesn't have a Vista64 client yet, so while that was true, in the past, it's not any longer.

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Originally posted by Makasuro:
Anyway I'm done, I'm out.

Sad to see you go, I didn't have the chance to play much with you, but our 3-4 games were fun and challenging.

Good luck with any other games you pick.

to be honest I'm giving Ubisoft a pass on HAWX, and the reason being is they basically created a template. The next version I can only assume if they do one will be much much better because the ground work is there now.