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Originally posted by LT.INSTG8R:
Hehe here is a bit of fun for the "supporters"
I'm not new here by any means and I have felt the sting of the rest of the TC series. Lets just say HAWX isn't the first time

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1021386/m/9421057756

Oh and for the record I found this link in the FC2 forums as someone had posted it as proof of UBI's track record there as FC2 is another "casualty"

It's a shame really.... Ubisoft has made a lot of great titles, imho. But the abject disregard for it's customers, I just can't understand. Even more so, because my experiences with Ubi's staff members have all been positive ones. At this point, I don't know that talking about it matters anymore, because the people up top obviously don't care as long as the sales figures keep rising.

The sales figures keep rising because the vast majority of players don't have as many problems as some do, nor do they exaggerate the problems that they do have, and they enjoy the games.

There are far fewer whiners than it seems because those, vocal few, that do whine, whine constantly so it seems like there are more of them. After putting less than a dozen of the worst of them on ignore, it's clear that the game isn't as bad as some TRY to make it seem...

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Originally posted by Master_Cylinder:
The sales figures keep rising because the vast majority of players don't have as many problems as some do, nor do they exaggerate the problems that they do have, and they enjoy the games.

There are far fewer whiners than it seems because those, vocal few, that do whine, whine constantly so it seems like there are more of them. After putting less than a dozen of the worst of them on ignore, it's clear that the game isn't as bad as some TRY to make it seem...

I still enjoy HAWX a lot, but the frustration that comes with owning a PC game is usually due to the thousands of different system configurations out there. There will always be bugs, but a properly running R&D/Q.A. department will discover 90% of those bugs prior to release. That wasn't the case here. I have the unique benefit of sharing information with 100s of players, and there has been a more than average amount of bugs. To just deny people's issues because they get angry is blind and self-serving. I try to take everything with a grain of salt, because nothing is truly black or white.

The one major advantage of Console systems has always been that there's a standard box to build around, and to no surprise, I haven't seen too many console complaints, just standard ones.

Despite my own disappointments with this game... I am going to be fighting hard to keep it going as much as I can. It really is fun, and I have never enjoyed another flight sim quite as much, despite all the bugs. I'm glad to say that on Garena, I see about 200 people playing almost every time I log in. However, I see about twice as many in older favorites of mine. That said, this is still a very young game and hopefully there's a lot more to the story that is HAWX.

As for whiners, people are going to get upset, and you have to accept that. In this culture, we've been raised to expect everything now, and some people will always take that too far. People's perceptions are their own, and I don't try to dictate to people how to feel. They have every right to feel the way they want to. And yes, that policy brings it problems along with it, but it's at least honest, and it allows me to scrutinize who I share my time with. At my age, time is certainly a commodity.

I admire your spirit for defending the game so fervidly. But I'd hate to see you fall into the traps of anger just over a game. It is, after all, just an entertainment experience (the ultimate one, imho) and should always be a positive one. You seem like an intelligent individual who is just frustrated at the amount of poop people spew, and I fully sympathize with that, but if you spend your time shooting down every nay-sayer's comments, you'll find that you've only become a colder more bitter person. I wouldn't wish that upon anyone.

Lastly, I invite you and any PC players out there to try to shoot me in face with your J-strikes as you dodge mine. Always fun for me and I hope for you as well.

VERY well put - changed MY perspective on all this, at least.

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Originally posted by Unit_14:

Despite my own disappointments with this game... I am going to be fighting hard to keep it going as much as I can. It really is fun, and I have never enjoyed another flight sim quite as much

This is not a flight sim. It can't be further from a flight sim. It is an arcade flight game.

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Originally posted by Mr.Hanky2005:

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Originally posted by Unit_14:

Despite my own disappointments with this game... I am going to be fighting hard to keep it going as much as I can. It really is fun, and I have never enjoyed another flight sim quite as much

This is not a flight sim. It can't be further from a flight sim. It is an arcade flight game.

Flight Sim just comes off the tongue better than Arcade Flight Game, or Flight Shooter.

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Originally posted by SkopeDog:

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Originally posted by Mr.Hanky2005:

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Originally posted by Unit_14:

Despite my own disappointments with this game... I am going to be fighting hard to keep it going as much as I can. It really is fun, and I have never enjoyed another flight sim quite as much

This is not a flight sim. It can't be further from a flight sim. It is an arcade flight game.

Flight Sim just comes off the tongue better than Arcade Flight Game, or Flight Shooter.

Very true, but the word "sim" indicates realism, not present in HAWX.

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Originally posted by Mr.Hanky2005:

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Originally posted by SkopeDog:

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Originally posted by Mr.Hanky2005:

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Originally posted by Unit_14:

Despite my own disappointments with this game... I am going to be fighting hard to keep it going as much as I can. It really is fun, and I have never enjoyed another flight sim quite as much

This is not a flight sim. It can't be further from a flight sim. It is an arcade flight game.

Flight Sim just comes off the tongue better than Arcade Flight Game, or Flight Shooter.

Very true, but the word "sim" indicates realism, not present in HAWX.

Devil's in the details, I suppose. You could use FPS titles in an analogy for it. It's a Counter-Strike, sort of. It's not Unreal Tournament like Rogue Squadron would be, and it isn't Operation Flashpoint like LOMAC would be. I bit of both worlds: realistic setting, but off the walls otherwise.

Master you obviously don't play much or at all if you think its only a couple whiners. I have been trying to recruit people for various leagues/teams for months on several different programs/forums and its the same everywhere. If anything you are the minority by FAR, and intentionally trying to be annoying to other people posting on here doesn't help things.

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Originally posted by Mr.Hanky2005:

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Originally posted by SkopeDog:

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Originally posted by Mr.Hanky2005:

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Originally posted by Unit_14:

Despite my own disappointments with this game... I am going to be fighting hard to keep it going as much as I can. It really is fun, and I have never enjoyed another flight sim quite as much

This is not a flight sim. It can't be further from a flight sim. It is an arcade flight game.

Flight Sim just comes off the tongue better than Arcade Flight Game, or Flight Shooter.

Very true, but the word "sim" indicates realism, not present in HAWX.

You can say that again lol.

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Originally posted by DevinMace:
Master you obviously don't play much or at all if you think its only a couple whiners. I have been trying to recruit people for various leagues/teams for months on several different programs/forums and its the same everywhere. If anything you are the minority by FAR, and intentionally trying to be annoying to other people posting on here doesn't help things.

This isn't even debatable; count the number of posts made to this board over any 24 hour period. We're in double digits if we're lucky. Master_Cylinder has admitted he doesn't even play online; I don't know about the console versions, but on any day you'll see on the PC version at least a maximum of about 50 people playing in total (and 2-5 rooms open). This is for a game only THREE MONTHS old remember, which is a disastrous collapse in playing numbers...

But people like Master think they can change reality by brow-beating people into agreeing with them (or just shutting up) but let's look at what people actually experience when they log in despite what he claims; how about the fact that every time you want to play HAWX online you have to get into a room the first time; If you fail (because the server list isn't accurate, and that room may not even be there any more or reachable), or the host closes it (or crashes or kicks) the server won't update at all, so you either have to close the game or alt-tab away for 2 minutes until the connection closes itself so you can see the few games once more. How about the fact that I'll personally need to do that another 200-300 times and play a full round to gain the experience to get the last 3 levels I need (37 - 40)? Or that when what I presume are the central authentication servers are having problems, the game stutters at multiple identifiable points even when it's not supposed to be online yet? Or won't even connect at all? This is the game HOW IT ACTUALLY IS and it's no wonder people just don't play it online.

So don't give us this "It's just the whingers" nonsense please. I've had fun with HAWX, just as I did with it's inspiration "Afterburner" back in the arcades decades ago. But it's provably been abandoned on the PC by those who bought it, and you can easily quantify why. And it doesn't matter how many times those of you who blindly love the game try to tell us otherwise. Not when I can log off a THREE MONTH game after getting tired of even trying to find a single working room, and log in a game like say Dark Crusade, which is THREE YEARS old, has had another sequel and even a second new game released since then, and still find twice as many players at any comparitive point (average of about 100 players and 20 game rooms active a day).

HAWX IS DEAD.

Which is probably why they aren't too bothered about giving PC users the extra content. UBISOFT can see the user numbers too. And remember the reviews of the game (Only Zero Punctuation gave it a good one as I recall). And they know people would probably just pirate it on PC, if they could be bothered at all; almost every one of the few I see still playing is cheating and using the fully unlocked profile at least already (either with the Rank 40 cheat, or normal rankings but the SU-47 at rank 22 from honest play? I think not).

HAWX IS DEAD.

But it's amazing how much self delusion a dishonest man can spread around in the blind service of his own authoritarian worship of something he idealizes... even in the face of directly contradicting reality. Like HAWX being, in reality, largely dead. Natch.

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Originally posted by BaronV.Kiptofen:
If you fail (because the server list isn't accurate, and that room may not even be there any more or reachable), or the host closes it (or crashes or kicks) the server won't update at all, so you either have to close the game or alt-tab away for 2 minutes until the connection closes itself so you can see the few games once more.

You don't have to close your game, when the list is not refreshing, you simply have to go back to the "Versus" menu, click on "LAN" and go back "Online". By going on "LAN", you break your current connection.

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Originally posted by BaronV.Kiptofen:
Not when I can log off a THREE MONTH game after getting tired of even trying to find a single working room, and log in a game like say Dark Crusade, which is THREE YEARS old, has had another sequel and even a second new game released since then, and still find twice as many players at any comparative point (average of about 100 players and 20 game rooms active a day).

You might want to try alternatives to the "Online" option in H.A.W.X. Personally, I suggest Tunngle(Easier, less ads) or Garena(More players).

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Originally posted by BaronV.Kiptofen:
Which is probably why they aren't too bothered about giving PC users the extra content. UBISOFT can see the user numbers too. And remember the reviews of the game (Only Zero Punctuation gave it a good one as I recall). And they know people would probably just pirate it on PC, if they could be bothered at all; almost every one of the few I see still playing is cheating and using the fully unlocked profile at least already (either with the Rank 40 cheat, or normal rankings but the SU-47 at rank 22 from honest play? I think not).

Using the complete profile is your only way to get access to the extra content. There's a solution and personally, I don't see any bad points about it. As for cheats, I haven't seen anyone cheats in over a month. I play almost every day for at least 2 hours. (On different times too...)

Is H.A.W.X. dead (as in huge lack of online activity)? In my opinion, for a three months old game, it is. Yet, I'm just glad I can still play with via other options, even if it is mostly empty at some times. I would really hate to be stuck with Ubisoft's servers...

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Originally posted by Mr.Hanky2005:
This is not a flight sim. It can't be further from a flight sim. It is an arcade flight game.

"It's not an Orange!! It's a Tangerine!!"

flight [flahyt] -noun
1. the act, manner, or power of flying.
2. the distance covered or the course taken by a flying object: a 500-mile flight; the flight of the ball.
3. a trip by an airplane, glider, etc.
4. a scheduled trip on an airline: a 5 o'clock flight.
5. a number of beings or things flying or passing through the air together: a flight of geese.
6. the basic tactical unit of military air forces, consisting of two or more aircraft.
7. the act, principles, or technique of flying an airplane: flight training.
8. a journey into or through outer space: a rocket flight.
9. swift movement, transition, or progression: the flight of time.
10. a soaring above or transcending ordinary bounds: a flight of fancy.
11. a series of steps between one floor or landing of a building and the next.

Origin: bef. 900; ME; OE flyht; c. D vlucht; akin to fly


sim⋅u⋅la⋅tor [sim-yuh-ley-ter] –noun
1. a person or thing that simulates.
2. a machine for simulating certain environmental and other conditions for purposes of training or experimentation: a flight simulator.

Origin: 1825–35; < L simulātor imitator, counterfeiter. See simulate

That's the English for you. I'm not here to argue to specificity of gaming genres. My apologies, if typing "flight sim" was too much for you to handle, but I'm going speak to way I like, whether you like it or not.

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Originally posted by Unit_14:

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Originally posted by Mr.Hanky2005:
This is not a flight sim. It can't be further from a flight sim. It is an arcade flight game.

"It's not an Orange!! It's a Tangerine!!"

flight [flahyt] -noun
1. the act, manner, or power of flying.
2. the distance covered or the course taken by a flying object: a 500-mile flight; the flight of the ball.
3. a trip by an airplane, glider, etc.
4. a scheduled trip on an airline: a 5 o'clock flight.
5. a number of beings or things flying or passing through the air together: a flight of geese.
6. the basic tactical unit of military air forces, consisting of two or more aircraft.
7. the act, principles, or technique of flying an airplane: flight training.
8. a journey into or through outer space: a rocket flight.
9. swift movement, transition, or progression: the flight of time.
10. a soaring above or transcending ordinary bounds: a flight of fancy.
11. a series of steps between one floor or landing of a building and the next.

Origin: bef. 900; ME; OE flyht; c. D vlucht; akin to fly


sim⋅u⋅la⋅tor [sim-yuh-ley-ter] –noun
1. a person or thing that simulates.
2. a machine for simulating certain environmental and other conditions for purposes of training or experimentation: a flight simulator.

Origin: 1825–35; < L simulātor imitator, counterfeiter. See simulate

That's the English for you. I'm not here to argue to specificity of gaming genres. My apologies, if typing "flight sim" was too much for you to handle, but I'm going speak to way I like, whether you like it or not.

It's a non-issue, quite frankly.

Allow me to touch upon the highlights...

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Originally posted by Unit_14:
There will always be bugs, but a properly running R&D/Q.A. department will discover 90% of those bugs prior to release. That wasn't the case here.

The one major advantage of Console systems has always been that there's a standard box to build around, and to no surprise, I haven't seen too many console complaints, just standard ones.

It really is fun, and I have never enjoyed another flight sim quite as much, despite all the bugs.

As for whiners, people are going to get upset, and you have to accept that. In this culture, we've been raised to expect everything now, and some people will always take that too far. People's perceptions are their own, and I don't try to dictate to people how to feel. They have every right to feel the way they want to.

You seem like an intelligent individual who is just frustrated at the amount of poop people spew, and I fully sympathize with that, but if you spend your time shooting down every nay-sayer's comments, you'll find that you've only become a colder more bitter person.

Since we don't know how many bugs were fixed before release it's entirely possible that they did get 90% of the bugs before it was released.

I have to agree with the others that a "sim" implies a certain amount of realism that the arcade style flight games lack but that's really not that important.

You bet they are going to feel upset, frustrated, angry, etc and my issue isn't with how they feel. As you accurately state, they have every right to feel however they want to feel. My issue is with the way a select few ACT, not feel, and that's a world of difference...

I'll also point out that I don't "shoot down every naysayer," just the ones that make silly, juvenile, dishonest claims based on what you admit is an entitlement "my way now" mentality. There are dozens of people that have reported bugs calmly and rationally that I never "shot down", I've even reported bugs myself and helped a few people with their issues. I'm not bitter at all, I enjoy the game and while I do debate some of the retarded claims, like the game being "dead," those the earned an ignore I'm completely apathetic to. I don't enjoy the game less because of the unrealistic vocal few, they don't affect my life at all but they sure get mad when I don't agree with them...

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Originally posted by DevinMace:
Master you obviously don't play much or at all if you think its only a couple whiners. I have been trying to recruit people for various leagues/teams for months on several different programs/forums and its the same everywhere.

I never said "a couple," I say, less than the some TRY to make it seem and a select few overly critical and over-exaggerating. Over a million copies sold and just because nobody is interested in joining YOUR league/team/ladder/whatever doesn't mean that the other 999,000+ feel like you and a few others do. As for how much I play, that has *nothing* to do with me not being interested in playing with *some* of the people around here...

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Originally posted by BaronV.Kiptofen:
HAWX IS DEAD.

According to a few whiners but not based on reality...

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Originally posted by oOMadMaxOo:
Is H.A.W.X. dead (as in huge lack of online activity)? In my opinion, for a three months old game, it is. Yet, I'm just glad I can still play with via other options, even if it is mostly empty at some times.

"Dead" doesn't mean "less online play than you think it should have,' dead means *dead* and HAWX isn't.

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Originally posted by Unit_14:
I'm glad to say that on Garena, I see about 200 people playing almost every time I log in.

See? Not dead. Not every game has to have ladders and leagues to be alive and not every player even wants to "compete." I can even see reasons why people would want to play SP first before going online and I can see reasons that some people would be avoided...