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Because this does not sound good. In fact, sounds like there isn't a cockpit view.
Is that true?
Did these guys just not try it to even comment on it?
Are there no instruments available with ERS off for some *strange* reason? Is that because there is no cockpit view to look down at instruments?


We need a dev to come on here and let us know some things about this game.


http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=188135

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When switched to 'on', as is the default, the camera positions itself directly behind the craft and acts as your in flight guide. Your movements are restricted so you can't deviate too far from your flight path, and if you wish to bring down an enemy craft, you have to position yourself behind them and follow the proper lock-on procedures.

On the plus side, having your ERS on saves you a hell of a lot of brain-ache. The ERS system will regulate your speed, preventing slowdown or stalling, will warn you of any imminent crashes, and will read the trajectory of any oncoming missiles and provide you with a safe flight path to follow.

What's more, you've got access to all your intel, and can communicate with your wingmen and supports (again, via the d-pad or through voice command). Through your ERS, you can gather intelligence from your reconnaissance units, talk tactics with your squadron and orchestrate close combat strategies with team mates. It sounds like a pretty cushy deal, and in many situations it is. However, when the enemies draw in close, you'll find the ERS' way of doing things far too restrictive. It's time for the ERS' rulebook to go out the window.

Tech war
HAWX isn't just about technology - ultimately, it's the pilot that makes the difference. Turn the ERS system off, and the camera will zoom out, allowing you to get a better view of the battlefield. You're now in free-range mode, and dogfighting - the most intense stage of combat - can begin. With assistance set to off, movement is unrestricted and you can drift (or slide) through the air, allowing you to pull off incredible manoeuvres.

One quick turn and you can find yourself directly behind the craft that was ready to pull the trigger on your life. In this mode, the only restriction to the lock-on capabilities is the skill of the pilot. On the downside, you don't get all that intel guff, but who needs all that, anyway? Er, you do actually - at least if you don't want to peel yourself off a mountain edge at some point in the next five minutes. Without any way of knowing when you're going to crash, stall or spin-out (aside from your instincts), it should be known that turning your ERS system off isn't a decision to be made lightly.
On the other hand, running the ERS is a real drain on your craft's resources. Although you can replenish it by 'cooling down', energy is in limited supply, so playing with the assistance switched on will hurt your firepower as much as your manoeuvrability. It's all about risk and reward - how long do you dare go without the ERS as your crutch?


Since when is knowing your altitude "intel"? Thought that was a key part of flying. How can you not know if you're about to crash in a more hardcore mode?
This sounds more and more like it's restricted to 3rd person, without a cockpit, much less one that you can look around and *use*.

When are we going to get some info on this forum, which we come here to get? Accidentally stumbling on articles isn't what we want. If you release info to other sources, you can come here and answer some questions too. Wink
 
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No cockpit camera will take this off my must purchase list.

The ERS system has me abit concerned as well..

I agree. We need some info from the powers that be on this game.


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Posts: 264 | Registered: Sun March 16 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Ok, after reading all that, this game is a definate no go for me. ERS sounds like training wheels for the game. Then they talk about 3rd person flying, and the camera zooms out to give you a greater view of the battlefield? The hell with that. I want to see the battle from inside the cockpit just like the pilot would. I don't to fly a plane from 20yards behind the aircraft as if I'm flying another plane, and controlling the one in front of me which is a drone. Nah, hell nah. Here goes Ubisoft fraking up another Tom Clancy title.

The more I hear about this game, the more it appears to be some stupid futuristic noob type flying game where you need your training wings to make it easier to fly and target enemies. F... that S...

Then they talk about restrictions on flying....sounds like the arcade mode on OGF where it would restrict your flight abilities to make the game easier for the kiddies. Alot of people hated the game because of that. I even hated it until I went to options and switched that **** to simulation, then it was all gravy from there.
 
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Originally posted by XxCH0NGxX:
Ok, after reading all that, this game is a definate no go for me. ERS sounds like training wheels for the game. Then they talk about 3rd person flying, and the camera zooms out to give you a greater view of the battlefield? The hell with that. I want to see the battle from inside the cockpit just like the pilot would. I don't to fly a plane from 20yards behind the aircraft as if I'm flying another plane, and controlling the one in front of me which is a drone. Nah, hell nah. Here goes Ubisoft fraking up another Tom Clancy title.

The more I hear about this game, the more it appears to be some stupid futuristic noob type flying game where you need your training wings to make it easier to fly and target enemies. F... that S...

So......it takes you THAT long to realize it's an arcade game with all the evidence laid out in front of you on the internets.
Anyway, bye Big Grin
 
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I'm still hoping that's all just for singleplayer. We haven't heard anything yet for the multiplayer. Look at GRAW 1 and 2. Singleplayer sucks, but the multiplayer is cool. Plus they haven't yet confirmed the absence of a cockpit view. For all we know they are just talking about one aspect of the game. If they are smart, they'll put in alot of options that we can choose from to customize the game to tailor our gameplay style of preference.

So far, the game is no go for me. I'm definately not going to spend any money on a reserve. I will keep waiting for more information to see what the game will be like.

PvtSkwerl, why you saying bye? I'm not leaving.
 
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I will not preorder it unless the preorder is the only way to get a realistic mode. i will most likely read some reviews of it before I get it and download the demo when that comes out. magic missiles & third person view is only cool on take off and landing not during combat...


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After reading the full article, I don't get any warm-and-fuzzies about how this game is going to turn out. It sounds completely stupid, as a matter of fact. It sounds like they're taking Ace Combat and ****ing it up - how is that even possible?

I hope this is just a confused, early look at the game and things change before it's finally on the shelf. Otherwise, it will be very absent from my inventory.

I like how in the article the author mentions the other flight "sims" for console: Ace Combat and Blazing Angels. Neither of those come to mind when I think flight "sim."

ERS sounds like a pushy autopilot. I'd have that **** turned off as much as possible. I don't need a frickin' computer telling me how to fly my jet. Definitely sounds like we're pandering to a wider audience at the expense of...well, everything good about a flight game.


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Originally posted by Tomcatter61:
After reading the full article, I don't get any warm-and-fuzzies about how this game is going to turn out. It sounds completely stupid, as a matter of fact. It sounds like they're taking Ace Combat and ****ing it up - how is that even possible?

I hope this is just a confused, early look at the game and things change before it's finally on the shelf. Otherwise, it will be very absent from my inventory.

I like how in the article the author mentions the other flight "sims" for console: Ace Combat and Blazing Angels. Neither of those come to mind when I think flight "sim."

ERS sounds like a pushy autopilot. I'd have that **** turned off as much as possible. I don't need a frickin' computer telling me how to fly my jet.

"you've got missile lawx" (in annoying AOL voice)
 
Posts: 103 | Registered: Thu April 03 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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I will not buy this game if it does not have a cockpit view. This isn't be a petition but it should be.

/sign

And I mean like this, not just a hud and cloudscape.


We shouldnt need ERS or whatever they called it to know essential airplane data. People have been dogfighting with altimeters since WWI. Dont tell me the future devolves that much. and unless we are blindfolded, only an idiot would crash into a cliff without having autopilot on. Turning ERSto-pilot off should not be like flipping the master battery switch on the entire airplane, why dont they just go ahead and have it shut off our engines too, after all, we are seconds away from-uh-not knowing how fast we are going.

*bump*
 
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yea, no kidding, I should be able to communicate, lock up, and fly while knowing everything about my airplane BY MYSELF! not while listening to a dumb computer limiting my view and flight ability... I fly planes in real life just fine without any dumb ass computer telling me anything except for where I am on the map... It makes me wonder if the Devs are even listening to our posts about how much we actually WANT realism...

and yea, I think ERS is the equivalent of turning on the master battery and having some dumb ass flight mechanic wire the autopilot to to battery switch. In other words, either you get restriction+senses or you get absolutely nothing. I think that ERS is a horrible Idea and should be stripped out of the game right now while it is still weak. Besides, I think a pilot can fly better than a plane can... I mean, come on unless pilots have only been trained for 2 days, I think any pilot can find his way around the battlefield by himself they have of course been doing it for almost a century now... just 9 more years to goSmile DEVS PLEASE READ THE FORUMS. Any mods out there, please get in touch with the devs... tell them what we have apparently been able to place everywhere but where they can see it.


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Originally posted by netflame5:
yea, no kidding, I should be able to communicate, lock up, and fly while knowing everything about my airplane BY MYSELF! not while listening to a dumb computer limiting my view and flight ability... I fly planes in real life just fine without any dumb ass computer telling me anything except for where I am on the map... It makes me wonder if the Devs are even listening to our posts about how much we actually WANT realism...

and yea, I think ERS is the equivalent of turning on the master battery and having some dumb ass flight mechanic wire the autopilot to to battery switch. In other words, either you get restriction+senses or you get absolutely nothing. I think that ERS is a horrible Idea and should be stripped out of the game right now while it is still weak. Besides, I think a pilot can fly better than a plane can... I mean, come on unless pilots have only been trained for 2 days, I think any pilot can find his way around the battlefield by himself they have of course been doing it for almost a century now... just 9 more years to goSmile DEVS PLEASE READ THE FORUMS. Any mods out there, please get in touch with the devs... tell them what we have apparently been able to place everywhere but where they can see it.


I agree.
 
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The new pictures don't give me much hope that it will even have the functionality of the old Air Combat game on the PS1 unless you saddle yourself with all that ERS BS.


 
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"Enhanced Reality System" my ass, should have called it DRS for Decreased Reality System.


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Damm right~ man, it's DRS not ERS lol

I glad to see Flare and jamming stuff in the screen shot. that's real

But... if it's a MODERN VERSION of BLAZING ANGELS or Another HEATSEEKER , I think I will give up this game.

BTW, the control of 360 Version sould not be too NOVICE ...
 
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Originally posted by netflame5:
"Enhanced Reality System" my ass, should have called it DRS for Decreased Reality System.


I noticed that too. If the ERS system restricts alot of things you can do, but turning it off allows you the freedom to what you want......how is that realistic, unless it's somekind of auto-pilot type system. In which case, why would you want that in a dogfight?
 
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