OK lets just all calm down. People are right - this is going wrong way. It's a game forum.
Grubilman, as a well-bred person I apologize if I hurt your feelings and made you think I said smth bad about your country

all i can say is USA USA USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ppl who think russia is better then america are so niaeve our government would crush yours any day not mention we have beaches and sunshine more then 3 days a year

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Originally posted by netflame:
plus, lets face it Israeli pilots would murder both our airforce's

Quoted for truth. Those guys can fly, man!

GO ISRAEL!!!!

I VOTE FOR A NEW MIRAGE TO BE MADE!!!

sport's post is very late. Everyone's said sorry and, yeah it's late.

Now now guys... think about it, wouldn't it be nice if we all saw an F22 Raptor and Su-50 PAK-FA fight? Fight together?

I mean there should be a UN Air Force where you gots the F22, Su-50, Eurofighter Typhoon.

It would be called the PAF Peacekeeping Air Force.

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Originally posted by sportsislyfe4me:
all i can say is USA USA USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ppl who think russia is better then america are so niaeve our government would crush yours any day not mention we have beaches and sunshine more then 3 days a year

poor guy

meh, the navy's planes are limited in their capabilities because of size, wingspan, hooks, strenghened landing gear ect. the only thing that the navy really has going for it is the rate at which new planes are produced compared to the airforce...

besides, a pan atlantic alliance would be nice. If only Putin would relinquish his hate towards the U.S. and disband the ****ing treaty with Iran. then russia and America could work togather to make an awsome fighter aircraft. Think of it, U.S. tech with russian maneuverability. maybe flexible wings that could flip backwards so when a plane does a 180 on a pin-tip, it could fly backwards and continue to fight!!!! that would be an awsome aircraft. put scramjets and a mini airborne laser on it for point defense and you have an aircraft!!!!

P.S. Don't forget VTOL, I know we all want our aircraft to be able to hide behind hills and be able to do pop ups and side strafes besides, who would supply the Iranians with aircraft then, no one!, they would be out of luck while our 1000+ VTOL super 6+ gen planes rape them!!

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Originally posted by netflame5:
meh, the navy's planes are limited in their capabilities because of size, wingspan, hooks, strenghened landing gear ect. the only thing that the navy really has going for it is the rate at which new planes are produced compared to the airforce...

I don't think tailhooks and strengthened gear are limitations. They allow us to take our airfields to the sea - a lot closer to the enemy than the USAF, typically. We get to the fight first and get down to work while you guys are still getting your hotel reservations set up and trying to figure out where the heck you're going to takeoff and land. As for wingspan, and size, I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying they're too big or too small? If too big, folding wings solve space problems; if too small, saving space lets us bring more planes to the fight. Also, what do you mean by rate at which new planes are produced? Are you talking planes coming off the assembly line, or new developed planes (like R&D)?

At any rate, you forgot the most important thing the Navy has going for it: the best Aviators in the world. Ever wonder why they give out silver to people who come in second place?

P.S. There's a capital 'N' in Navy. And a capital 'A' and 'F' in Air Force.

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I don't appreciate you attacking my Branch of the armed services. I never attacked the Navy now did I? I merely said that the Navy has to shorten wings and maneuverability to make the planes carrier capable. Variable geometry wings do not solve this problem either. Navy planes will always be heavier than AF planes because of the added material to strengthen landing gear, the tail hook, and the mechanisms for folding/changing the geometry of the wings and as every aviator knows, heavier = lower acceleration and lower deceleration, this leads to higher than normal G's on turns because of the inertia. The increased G's therefore limit the turn radius of the plane. AF planes are lighter, larger, and faster than navy planes, thats is what I am saying. Plus Tom-Cats have no fuel whatsoever. have you tried flying one? all too often it seems that you cave barely enough fuel to take off, circle the fleet and come back.

as far as planes produced, I am talking about new airframes. look at it this way, the navy had the A-6, S-3, F/A-18, EA-18, F-14, F-35 for combat aircraft in the past 20 years. The AF had A-10, F-16, F-15, F-35, F-22A, F-117. This may not seem much, but when you think about how many versions of the F-14 and F/A-18 have been produced(A,B,C,D,E,F,G)for the navy compared to the Air Force(A,C,D) you begin to think. Maybe the navy has a bigger budget than the Air Force.

Variable geometry wings are more efficient over a wider range of the flight envelope than conventional wings. Yes, Naval aircraft will be heavier for the foreseeable future. Heavier does not equal slower acceleration if you put a more powerful engine on it. I'm not sure that Air Force planes are larger - the F-16 is pretty small.

Tomcats have great endurance, out of afterburner, largely due to the variable geometry wings that you dismiss so easily. Have you tried flying one? And what are we talking here, real life or a game?

As far as planes produced, you've left out of the Air Force list the F-4, F-111, not to mention the B-52, B-1, B-2 - some of these have multiple variants (for example the EF-111) as well as some of the planes on your list (F-15E comes to mind). FYI there were only two models of Tomcat: the A and D. The "B" was what began as the A+ model which was essentially an A with the better engines - otherwise, practically nothing changed between the two aircraft. Yes, the Navy probably has a bigger portion of the defense budget relative to the Air Force, but what all does the USAF have to buy? Fighter, bombers, and what? Satellites? Golf courses? The Navy has to buy ships, subs, and aircraft. I'm willing to bet a CVN is worth several B-2's.

Which part was the attack, exactly?

Forgive my simple ignorance on this subject... But I was under the impression that the Navy has a certain type of aircraft for a certain reason, such as carrier launching, and being able to deploy under just about any weather condition. The USAF has their reasons for the aircraft they use as well. Now, I may be wrong here guys... But, being diverse in what aircraft each branch uses widens the range of missions that the combined airpower can take on. I'm pretty sure the USAF, and Navy weren't made to be at eachothers throats, but to widen the envelope of missions, and work in conjunction with one another.

As far as pilots go, I won't say that the USAF has bad pilots. Not at all. But I will say that being a Navy pilot does take a lot, especially when you think about carrier landing, any time, in any weather.

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all i can say is USA USA USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ppl who think russia is better then america are so niaeve our government would crush yours any day not mention we have beaches and sunshine more then 3 days a year

ROFL, let me show you a video:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=v5QLZ4oj_6A

ok now that I've read the last pages, I hope the mods lock this topic before it turns into an american bashing topic, although they deserve it, spoiled a simple tech discussion into an american patriotism and bashing lame fest.

btw, just wake up, we're entering a difficult period in humanity with food and resource crysis and all you can think is your little corner.

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Originally posted by LexKaziDelfos:

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all i can say is USA USA USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ppl who think russia is better then america are so niaeve our government would crush yours any day not mention we have beaches and sunshine more then 3 days a year

ROFL, let me show you a video:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=v5QLZ4oj_6A

hhe..this guy is gonna back and scream USA USA USA again!

I don't like where this thread is going. And since the original question has already been answered the thread no longer needs to be open.

Thank you

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