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Originally posted by ElysianGuardian:

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Originally posted by Master_Cylinder:
I may be the minority, on the forum, regarding these aesthetic issues or maybe I'm the only one willing to point out that they don't matter as much as some think they do.

i dont think they're super-important either. i mean, i rarely even get a long look at my cockpit from 3rd person(when you'd notice)...im too busy zippin around popping everything in sight. hehe. its the gameplay that gets me into HAWX.

but i do like the 'real' aircraft, and although it'd be nice to have incredible attention to detail - its not necessary, for me, in order to have fun with the game.

Exactly... I wouldn't mind if the planes were more accurate, I just don't care that they aren't because there are more important things and the game is still fun despite any minor aesthetic differences.

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Originally posted by Master_Cylinder:
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Speaking common sense, it seems this conversation is going no where...fast. I believe that nothing said, by either of us will matter. An agreement to disagree.

Now what?

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Originally posted by maxraptor09:

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Originally posted by Master_Cylinder:
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Speaking common sense, it seems this conversation is going no where...fast. I believe that nothing said, by either of us will matter. An agreement to disagree.

Now what?

In the grand scheme of life, you're right, none of it will matter and neither of us will change the mind of the other nor should we even attempt it. As the saying goes; "never try to teach a pig to sing, it doesn't work and it annoys the pig" (and, no, I'm not calling anyone a pig, it's just a saying), disagreement just isn't (or shouldn't be) that bad...

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Originally posted by Master_Cylinder:

In the grand scheme of life, you're right, none of it will matter and neither of us will change the mind of the other nor should we even attempt it. As the saying goes; "never try to teach a pig to sing, it doesn't work and it annoys the pig" (and, no, I'm not calling anyone a pig, it's just a saying), disagreement just isn't (or shouldn't be) that bad...

Nah, I like discussing things, even if I know it's in vain. It's entertaining to me.

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Originally posted by maxraptor09:

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Originally posted by Master_Cylinder:

In the grand scheme of life, you're right, none of it will matter and neither of us will change the mind of the other nor should we even attempt it. As the saying goes; "never try to teach a pig to sing, it doesn't work and it annoys the pig" (and, no, I'm not calling anyone a pig, it's just a saying), disagreement just isn't (or shouldn't be) that bad...

Nah, I like discussing things, even if I know it's in vain. It's entertaining to me.

Unfortunately, debating a subject just for the sake of debating has nearly become taboo in many overly PC venues...

Maybe minor visual imperfections could be overlooked if the game itself consisted of more than the same protect mission over and over, and only tdm.

What few not protect mission(s) we get aren't very good either.


Smoke, Ldogg

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Originally posted by landon_326:
Maybe minor visual imperfections could be overlooked if the game itself consisted of more than the same protect mission over and over, and only tdm.

What few not protect mission(s) we get aren't very good either.


Smoke, Ldogg

I don't have an issue with the missions although I wouldn't complain if there were more of them. The missions shouldn't have anything to do with how acceptable the aesthetics are/would be, if the complaint is about aesthetics, I don't see how more/different mission(s) would change that. Conversely, if the missions were worse I wouldn't suggest that the aesthetics were more important, in that case, either. One really has nothing to so with the other and the missions were fun too. Some people just aren't happy if they're not complaining about this, that or whatever.

Either way, it's a fairly safe bet that all we'll see in the next patch or two will only be bug fixes (real bugs not aesthetic differences) and we most likely won't see a DLC that entails more missions, modes, planes, etc. HAWX 2, if they make it, might be completely different or it might just be more missions/planes/options on basically the same engine.

YMMV...

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Originally posted by Master_Cylinder:
I don't have an issue with the missions although I wouldn't complain if there were more of them. The missions shouldn't have anything to do with how acceptable the aesthetics are/would be, if the complaint is about aesthetics, I don't see how more/different mission(s) would change that. Conversely, if the missions were worse I wouldn't suggest that the aesthetics were more important, in that case, either. One really has nothing to so with the other and the missions were fun too. Some people just aren't happy if they're not complaining about this, that or whatever.

Either way, it's a fairly safe bet that all we'll see in the next patch or two will only be bug fixes (real bugs not aesthetic differences) and we most likely won't see a DLC that entails more missions, modes, planes, etc. HAWX 2, if they make it, might be completely different or it might just be more missions/planes/options on basically the same engine.

YMMV...

One might not like the style (WW2 air combat with lack of modern conviences) of IL-2, but after playing the demo again, it really makes HAWX look a "B" rate game. The plane models are amazingly accurate, the cockpits "feel" three dimensional (IE-not made of plastic), and to top things off, the planes feature damage modeling when hit. Oh, the machine gun/cannon fire comes from the right location as well. HAWX? LOL.

The only thing HAWX is comparable to IL-2 on is the terrain and ambient surroundings. Even so, HAWX is in a distant 2nd place.

I can remember the Community dev posting in here for quite some time, all the while stating that HAWX was an arcade game in order to appeal to mass audience. Ironically, IL-2 trumps HAWX as well in flight mechanics and accessiblity due the ONE thing myself and dozens of others were asking for. Options. IL-2 lets you set the sim/arcade flight style of the game in order to please everyone who might be potential customer. It's smart business.

So you see, the graphics, aircraft models, ambient surroundings, missions, controls, etc., all make up an individual piece of the whole puzzle. Some people fail to realize this, and make one vain attempt after another as if they are HAWX's advocate.

Oh, and no MC, I seriously have doubts that we will not see another patch. I don't see any evidence to support your theory. DLC? Yeah, it's done.

With all this said, I will still purchase HAWX 2 when the title comes out. Yes, I believe there will be another title due to the simple fact of Blazing Angels getting a sequel.

Attention to detail matters to some people more than it matters to others, and to some it is almost synonymous with quality. People have the right to their own opinions, whether or not someone else agrees with them. If people are too narrow-minded to acknowledge the validity of other peoples' perspectives, then that's their problem, in my opinion. Time, patience, and insight are wasted on such people.

i totally agree everyone is entitled to their opinions - that doesnt mean they're not flippin' nuts.

theres nothing in hawx to me that says 'realism' except for, perhaps, the names of the aircraft and a decent resemblence. If you can accept that, the game is pretty fun. theres always room for improvement in any release - thats how a capitalist market moves. some companies just pull it off more efficiently than others.
since nothing speaks of truly detailed realism in HAWX, i dont expect it, and i enjoy it. i wasnt expecting a flight sim with this game.

what i'd like to see in the next version is an upgrade ability, so there will be a point to flying older aircraft in multiplayer/singleplayer. something to allow balancing. but in singleplayer i can do that myself with a bit of simple math and an edit of the default_planes.lua file, so its still not that big of a deal.

i think this whole discussion is an excellent example of the Americanized World's expectations, lifestyles, and desires. Nothing is 'good enough'. Everything's amazing, but no one's happy. irony.

/rant

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Originally posted by Wrend:
Attention to detail matters to some people more than it matters to others, and to some it is almost synonymous with quality. People have the right to their own opinions, whether or not someone else agrees with them. If people are too narrow-minded to acknowledge the validity of other peoples' perspectives, then that's their problem, in my opinion. Time, patience, and insight are wasted on such people.

Of course Wrend. I don't think MC or I have failed to acknowledge that all of this is based on our opinions. Plus, it's fun to "discuss" in my book..

But yeah, I am the attention to detail camp when it comes to certain things, and unfortunately, HAWX fails in that department, all the while it shouldn't have..

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Originally posted by ElysianGuardian:
i totally agree everyone is entitled to their opinions - that doesnt mean they're not flippin' nuts.

theres nothing in hawx to me that says 'realism' except for, perhaps, the names of the aircraft and a decent resemblence. If you can accept that, the game is pretty fun. theres always room for improvement in any release - thats how a capitalist market moves. some companies just pull it off more efficiently than others.
since nothing speaks of truly detailed realism in HAWX, i dont expect it, and i enjoy it. i wasnt expecting a flight sim with this game.

what i'd like to see in the next version is an upgrade ability, so there will be a point to flying older aircraft in multiplayer/singleplayer. something to allow balancing. but in singleplayer i can do that myself with a bit of simple math and an edit of the default_planes.lua file, so its still not that big of a deal.

i think this whole discussion is an excellent example of the Americanized World's expectations, lifestyles, and desires. Nothing is 'good enough'. Everything's amazing, but no one's happy. irony.

/rant

Agreed. The game is a fun experience, albeit short lived in my book. Ace Combat was the series I loved on the PS2. Why? I could replay the missions over and over again, and not even care about multiplayer. HAWX does nothing for me in this regard. There are only a few missions in HAWX that I really like, as compared to Ace Combat's few I don't care for. I mean, how many missions must I deal with the "Ghost Recon HUD distortion"??? It gets old. Quick.

Upgrade feature is an excellent idea. I posted something along that line in the Blazing Angels forum that basically (for example) had a player starting out with a P-51B, and with campaign advancement, the player could in time upgrade the Mustang to a P-51H. The RPG element is sadly missing from the action/flight genre, and could spark even more interest in it!

I wasn't expecting a flight sime either, but what I was expecting was something as well polished as Ace Combat, and something similar to IL-2 in terms of quality. We have seen how polished Ubisoft games can be. Hence my disappointment.

Yes, Irony. It's ironic that the people (Americans) the rest of the world loves to hate, influence the same people of the world so much.

yea ubisoft does bring/help bring some great games to market - in fact, since they didnt have a USB 360 controller i ended up buying a copy of world in conflict: soviet assault, because i recently reinstalled the original world in conflict by massive.
i so love that game...World in Conflict + HAWX = happiness.

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Originally posted by ElysianGuardian:
yea ubisoft does bring/help bring some great games to market - in fact, since they didnt have a USB 360 controller i ended up buying a copy of world in conflict: soviet assault, because i recently reinstalled the original world in conflict by massive.
i so love that game...World in Conflict + HAWX = happiness.

So you game on the PC? I am on the PS3. Perhaps that explains some of the issues.