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Originally posted by BSR_RuGGBuTT:
What the manual says and whats portrayed in LOMAC are two different things. A couple of quick points cuz I don't have a lot of time right now:

R27ET uses the same seeker head as the R73. IRL they can't be fired without a lock. They can in LOMAC.

The AIM9 has about a 5k range in LOMAC.

Good point! If time permits you, please describe me real in-game ranges of above missiles.

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Originally posted by BSR_RuGGBuTT:
R27ET uses the same seeker head as the R73.

Source?

If not could you explain the differences in seeker head between both?

The source is Vympel - unfortunately the required documentation has become nigh-impossible to find.

IIRC the R-27T used to use the R-60's seeker, later upgraded to the R-73's seeker. There's no particular timeline of upgrades available.

If you're asking for an explanation in difference between seeker cover size, er, well, one missile's wider than the other?

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Originally posted by GGTharos:
If you're asking for an explanation in difference between seeker cover size,

No, I am not.

Nice try though.

Stop GGTharos!
I have recently read one thread on ED forum where you were blustering to own some "ultra-high-top-secret" materials about air-to-air missiles and you were laughed down.

You have recently read a thread where I was talking about publically accessible resources.

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Originally posted by GGTharos:
You have recently read a thread where I was talking about publically accessible resources ... I'll leave it to you to figure out where your assumption and reading went wrong

No. The point there was that your "publically accessible resources" can't be such ones because they MUST be classified now. So you got some fake you still think it is real.

Ah.

I see that you know which sources are fake and which are real. You must be quite well connected.

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Originally posted by GGTharos:
Ah.

I see that you know which sources are fake and which are real. You must be quite well connected.

No, I am not.
I only think every reasonable man will agree no AMRAAM-C related data are publicly accessible even for such important VIP like GGTharos.

But I didn't mention any AIM-120C specific data

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Originally posted by GGTharos:
But I didn't mention any AIM-120C specific data

So you are lucky sole-owner of some outdated pony about AIM-7 and AIM-9L?
It is possible but I am really in doubt anybody is now interested in acquiring it...

PS. What a pity you couldn't give your Falkland's War era info to ED four years ago. We wouldn't have to use AIM-9 with buggy 5 km range, indeed! Strictly speaking almost all A-A missiles in this game are screwed-up in some way...range, seeker and so forth.
It probably means that flight-sim developers slight players more and more!

I suppose the 'publically available data' thing hasn't become properly parsed yet?

There's some publically stuff available about AIM-120A too


As far as missiles in LOMAC go, they are what they are ... there are only a few things that can be done relatively easily (you mention sidewinder range for example; and you laugh about the AIM-9L but guess what - the AIM-9M is practically the same in terms of aerodynamics and propulsion - so very very similar range) - one of those things is missile range/speed can be adjusted, for example, but seekers and guidance are much more difficult and you're more likely to see a good representation in DCS than LOFC.

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Originally posted by GGTharos:
I suppose the 'publically available data' thing hasn't become properly parsed yet?

You must hire better CPU to achieve this!

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There's some publically stuff available about AIM-120A too

We don't need stuff about AMRAAM-A because it isn't modeled in LO:FC.

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As far as missiles in LOMAC go, they are what they are ... there are only a few things that can be done relatively easily (you mention sidewinder range for example; and you laugh about the AIM-9L but guess what - the AIM-9M is practically the same in terms of aerodynamics and propulsion - so very very similar range) - one of those things is missile range/speed can be adjusted, for example, but seekers and guidance are much more difficult and you're more likely to see a good representation in DCS than LOFC.

1. Maybe so, but I don't know why all or at least most of these bugs weren't corrected in last several years??? If I am correct, about five patches were releasaed in this period!

2. I don't think A-A missiles will be present in DCS in foreseeable future. It will be helicopter and ground attack planes simulator. No LO fighter is expected until 2012...

3. On the other hand I am sure playing Russian fighters against US ones in sim with proper A-A missiles behavior will be senseless.

This is incorrect. The information is VERY valuable, especially as it relates to kinematic characteristics (aka range) as well as some operational ones - AMRAAM-C is better in range than AMRAAM-A, so knowing AMRAAM-A range for example gives us the minimum to shoot for.

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We don't need stuff about AMRAAM-A because it isn't modeled in LO:FC.

1. I can't answer that without really going into too much detail. The truth is, ED tried, but it didn't work out (with latest patches especially). I can't possibly tell whose fault it is, if it is anyone's. Hopefuly there will be a 1.13 patch and things will get fixed up some.

2. With DCS:A-10 which I think may be next, we will at least see AIM-9. It might not be much, but it's a start!

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1. Maybe so, but I don't know why all or at least most of these bugs weren't corrected in last several years??? If I am correct, about five patches were releasaed in this period!

2. I don't think A-A missiles will be present in DCS in foreseeable future. It will be helicopter and ground attack planes simulator. No LO fighter is expected until 2012...

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Originally posted by GGTharos:
This is incorrect. The information is VERY valuable, especially as it relates to kinematic characteristics (aka range) as well as some operational ones - AMRAAM-C is better in range than AMRAAM-A, so knowing AMRAAM-A range for example gives us the minimum to shoot for.

Let's say AIM-120A has 50 km range but AIM-120C may have 70 km or equally well 100 km range. So it is only an empty guessing...

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1. I can't answer that without really going into too much detail. The truth is, ED tried, but it didn't work out (with latest patches especially).
I can't possibly tell whose fault it is, if it is anyone's. Hopefuly there will be a 1.13 patch and things will get fixed up some.

I really wonder if 1.13 patch will be ever released.

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2. With DCS:A-10 which I think may be next, we will at least see AIM-9. It might not be much, but it's a start!

To become a "fighter-sim" the DCS must include at least two fighters, most preferably from two opposite sides. So my guess about 2012 is very possible.
Anyway Russia is doomed to wreck as a military and aviation power. I have heard rumors that PAK-FA project was canceled. If so no new A-A and A-G weapon will be created in Russia. Then ED must seriously think if developing next Blue versus Red flight-sim is reasonable to be realistic not Sci-Fi...

Just to address the AMRAAM point... we will know it will not have LESS range.
We do not know how much range was improved from B to C and among version of C, and how (improvements are due to guidance software, using flightpaths to reduce drag etc). So it is still quite useful. We know at the least, for example, that our AIM-120C is worse than an A in LO, in terms of range

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Originally posted by GGTharos:
Just to address the AMRAAM point... we will know it will not have LESS range.
We do not know how much range was improved from B to C and among version of C, and how (improvements are due to guidance software, using flightpaths to reduce drag etc). So it is still quite useful. We know at the least, for example, that our AIM-120C is worse than an A in LO, in terms of range

Yes! It would be really strange if AMRAAM-C had shorter range than AMRAAM-A. Even without your data!

Point is we didn't have any data before!

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Originally posted by GGTharos:
Point is we didn't have any data before!

Tell me, what is true AMRAAM-C range in LOFC 1.12?

Fire up LOFC and shoot one.

Do it at a few different altitudes, and you'll have a fairly detailed answer.