Anything Russian...Really seems like the Mig is utterly useless against just about anything I throw up in a dogfight, it can shoot and miss a lot with long-range, short-range I can actually hit something but by that time more often than not it is far too late.

It doesn't seem to have anything worthwhile as far as countermeasures go aside from flares and chaffs, which means I can effectively lose two missiles but the third almost always hits me. I don't know what I may be doing wrong here but I can soar in the F-15, and funnily enough I can shoot down Mig's like they are nothing.

Which leads me to my question; is the Mig just utterly useless in this game?

The mig is the most used fighter online actually. It is really fast, and have the deadliest mix of missiles in the game; R-77, R-27ET, and R-73s. At least this is so in Flaming Cliffs 1.12b. What version are you running?

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Originally posted by Udat:
The mig is the most used fighter online actually. It is really fast, and have the deadliest mix of missiles in the game; R-77, R-27ET, and R-73s. At least this is so in Flaming Cliffs 1.12b. What version are you running?

I'm using 1.12b as well, I just can't fly anything Russian with the same ease that I can fly the American planes. Even with the mix you noted of missiles I can't hit the broadside of a barn with what I fire.

I go into long range mode with my target about 20 or so out, catch lock and fire...then fire again cause I know the first will just fly past, then I fire again because the majority of the time the second just soars past them as well. Not sure on the name of the missile but I am using the one with 50 range, and the one with 20 range.

The one with 5km range is so far the most useful missile I have available as it hits what it is locked on, but the range I have to be in puts me at a disadvantage with just about every plane I would fly against.

I'm thinking I will pop some of the training out again and dig through what I can with it, though I don't think it is going to be a major help...worth a shot anyway.

Try loading the mig-29S with 2x R-27ETs, 2x R-77s and 2x R-73s, and fly vs an unarmed f-16c with excellent skill. Go high (6-7000m) and full speed, lock him up early, and fire 1 R-77 at about 70% of max range. ease off the throttle and keep an eye on how he manouvers. If he turns tail to you, press "O" to activate EOS, and turn off your radar. Select an ET and chase him full speed. Try anticipating his flightpath with the ET shot. If he doesn't turn around after the R-77, just follow up with an ET, and again, aim it to where you think he will be in about 5-10 seconds. If in doubt, fire it directly at the lock symbol in the hud.

Now when you start getting confident, you can try vs a missile-equipped opponent, and use notching, crancs, and pumping to avoid his incoming missiles. Countermeasures should only be considered a last-ditch option; defeat his missiles by draining their energy trough manouvers.

You should also got to www.flankertraining.com and watch EVERYTHING in the tutorials section, and get tactview to analyse your flights. If you want, you can record a track and upload it here, I'll downløoad it and see what you do wrong.

Well you might want to figure out the names of them as one of them is SARH (must be guided) and the other is ARH(fire & forget). That's what we call a handy bit of information.

Ah, so I am confused on how the missiles work for the Russian planes. I figured them for the most part to be fire and forget a lot like the F-15, but I am supposed to anticipate the movement of the enemy in firing (I haven't done this with the F-15).

I think my awareness sucks as a whole for portions of this game, even in the F-15 I'll see the flight through instruments and not outside the cockpit. This gets me shot down in the F-15. So I think my biggest problem with the Mig is I am comparing it to the F-15 as far as the armanent goes, this apparently is not a fair comparison.

Do you know of anywhere I can get info on each of the weapons in Lock On? Specifically the Russian armament.

Just been doing the dogfight with the F-16 with no missiles, going rather good so far I've been able to at least hit with the second missile anyway haha. Thanks for all the help, salute!

No problem man. Read trough the manual, and learn the differences between the different type of missile guidance; IR, ARH and SARH. It should be located in your ubisoft\lockon\doc (or is it documents) folder. Aiming the R-27ET is because it is IR guided, and will fly straight until it's maybe 10-15 km from it's target, and then start homing, unlike radar guided missiles, wich will be guided all the way (SARH) to the target by your own radar, or partially by onboard radar and partially by your radar (ARH.)

As I said, hit ctrl+r to start a mission, save as whatever you like, compress it ans upload it and I will take a look at it for you if you want

Good luck!

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=49B7JRIT

There is a track file of me against an unarmed excellent F-16. I note three failures on my part in initial engagement, however I do not know how to correct those three failures...oh, and I can't land very well.

No- You don't have to actually STEER the missile. You have to keep the target locked until the missile either hits or misses. You can't fire and turn tail. (R27R/ER/EM)

You need to read the manual. You'll only frustrate yourself if you don't.

Hmm ok. Well first of all, do you know how to change payload? You are using the wrong missiles. You are also using labels, unlimited ammo, and perhaps easy radar? I'd advice to lay off those, as they'll inhibit your ability to get better.

Ok, I made a quick, simple demo of me defeating an F-16 armed with 4 amraams, 2 sidewinders and ECM pod, skill set to excellent. I even threw in a landing for good measure :P

I used 2 R-27ET, 2 R-77 and 2 R-73. Notice how I move my head, switch radar mode to HI, and check the RWR for incoming missiles and distance to target.

Udat's mig demo

Any questions, throw em at me

Edit: Yeah, what konkussion said. This isn't an arcade game, it will require some effort to get the hang of it.. The least you could do is to read the manual, view all the training track and go trough the tutorials at flankertraining.

Yeah, about that payload...I was flying the A model, not the S...now I'm on the S. I do use labels and unlimited ammo, I am going to turn the unlimited ammo off but keep the labels for now. Never use easy radar, matter of fact that screws me up worse than the normal radar haha.

Downloading your track now, will take a look at your movements. Oh, and I have been reading the manual (skipping through portions of it, but still reading) which is helping as well...of course it would be even more helpful if I could pick the right bloody plane! Thanks for the help guys, cheers!