I want to start playing this game, Help out with tips plz

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Originally posted by sonex1987:
So what you are now saying that I didn't even purchase the game? You want my to post a screen shot of my receipt of purchase?

And you are saying that DRM exist to stop pirates. Any retarded person could go on piratebay and download this game, even though it has this DRM protection. There are guides online to get this game working even if pirated.
.... So again you are missing my point. I bought this game. I did not pirate it and its annoying me that I am being treated 'as a pirate' and I am limited to the number of times i can install the game.

You did make some valid points about how piracy ruined the gaming industry, but i could also argue the opposite, that the gaming industry is in fact S*** because of people like you, who are in fact willing to pay for any crappy game that comes out. Look at a company like EA for example. According to what you say, people like yourself, who are fully against piracy, actually buy their bad quality/bugged games, which ultimately means that EA will continue producing crap because people are willing to buy it.

If i was a EA CEO, I would not want to spend extra resources on a game to make it perfect, because I know that some idiotic people will still purchase the game, and trust me, there are enough idiots out there for the company to break even and make a multimillion $ profit.

So regardless of the game's quality, there will always be people who will buy the actual game... I mean, are you saying that if pirating stopped, the quality of say EA games would improve? Maybe you could argue that, but i highly doubt it. Profit making companies today are famous for incurring minimum costs to maximize profits, hence laying off employees.

I actually believe that if companies produced decent quality games, as for example Blizzard does, people would pay money for them, because its just worth it. Therefore, EA and Blizzard cannot charge the same price for their games. I am willing to pay $100 for a quality product made by blizzard, and I am not willing to pay the same amount (which is the case on in most shops) for an EA game that gives me less benefit in the future (i.e. less fun in my free time)

So in summary, I am willing to in fact pay for games, but if the price reflects the quality of the product. I will pay $100 for a decent game, and I will pay $10 (not $100) for an EA game, which will keep me playing for about 3 hours before I end up feeling guilty for buying and wasting my time and money. To address this more clearly, I will in fact not even bother wasting my downloading cap for a EA game (this would cost me $1 per game) as I know from reviews that the games is pure S***.

Therefore, until prices of games match their quality, I will pirate. If the price matches the reviews and quality, I will not pirate. I paid $100 for Diablo 2 and $60 for expansion. Before that, I paid for Warcrft 2 and Warcraft 1 and I'm happy i did.
I also paid $30 for LOMAC and Expansion which was worth it considering the game is very bugged, but this game still keeps me entertained every once in a while. If i paid $100 for ' once in a while quality entertainment', I would feel like i got ripped off). So again, with Lomac, I don't feel like i was ripped off, but then again I do slightly as they want me to purchase the game again when I use up my 5 Installations.

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I'm sure you bought THIS game. And most likely, only because you could not find a cracked version of it. Also, you said yourself that this is the first game you did not pirate in 10 years .

Yes, DRM is brought into the world because of pirating. Does it STOP pirating ? Of course not, and the devs/publishers know this full well. DRM is only supposed to DELAY the massive pirating, so at least SOME copies will get sold. Every day a game is uncracked means a little more money for them.
And once again : If people did not pirate, there would be no need for DRM.

As for your last point : "The quality of games", that is a very simple point to refute.

If you don't think the game is good enough, then why play it at all ?

I mean you say "this game is not worth my money", then you download it, and play it for days on end ?
I mean you have been gaming for the last decade i presume ?
But these last ten years must have been pure torture for you, playing all these crap games .

Why did you play them if they sucked so bad ?

I HATE that arguement. "Not worth my money, but i still play the game to death".

wtf ?!

I have some 45 games, all bought naturally. I enjoyed them all to death.
Except for Mass Effect, go figure that. It was a high quality game but just not my thing.
Once again, you are not supposed to play and like EVERY game out there.

If a game is crap, i DON"T PLAY IT. I don't go download it, i just DON"T PLAY IT.

Basically you are saying that there has not been a single game "worth your money" in the last 10 YEARS.
They were all good enough to play, but not worth your money ! In 10 years ??

Sorry man, but you lie . You're full of sh^t .

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Originally posted by sonex1987:
well there probably has been a game worth buying, but do you understand that I have other sht to do in life than to play games, for example high school, university, sports etc. I am not a 'gamer' type you consider yourself to be. I am focusing my energies more on setting my life and my career.

I think i played diablo 2 until 2007 from 1998 or 9 whevener it came out, the other games I considered not worth playing but that is my own taste and it's not even worth arguing over.

Finally, do you understand that I am actually refering to other things that are available out there for sale, not just computer games. If something IS S**T , I WILL NOT BUY IT.
If i get it free, I will consume it and throw it away, AND I WILL SAY... THANK GOD I DIDNT PAY FOR THIS AS IT IS USLESS. This is why i tend to research before consuming anything, be it food, entertainment, which is also why I dont consume much as there is little quality in the mass produced world we live in today.

If there is a Crap Hollywood movie out, I will not go watch it in the cinema. In fact, I will most likely not even download it because Its a waste of my time and money. In fact I think the last hollywood film i watched was doom 3 i dont know how long ago. The films i did pay for were on the european movie festival. Do you understand the word QUALITY?

And where did I say that i would play a worthless game for days.. I said I would try it out for an hour or two just for the sake of killing time at that particular moment in time, and even then I would most likely toss it away in the rubbish bin. Why play it at all you ask, To maybe see if its worth buying??

You might think Im full of ****, and you are right, with more people like me, capitalism wouldn't function because I got out of the habbit of consuming crap. Again you might feel like I'm full of ****, but again its all to do with things ive read, and the way i was brought up. Conspicuous consumption may later in life become my thing when I start working and earning money, But at the moment, cosidering my wages as a student, I am very picky about what i buy, and i dont buy a lot.

but then again, Even when i start earning big bux , I will NOT pay for bad products, And i will inform myself of QUALITY products. Because one thing you can never buy back IS TIME.

Time, working for $10 per hour, for 10 hours to buy a crap game... Is this game, which i paid $100 for and 10 hours of my time + the time i spent testing it out worth the price. MOST LIKELY NOT.

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and by the way, Ill say it again, the cracked version of this game IS AVAILABLE, with a simple google search... jesus christ lol

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Originally posted by sonex1987:
well there probably has been a game worth buying, but do you understand that I have other sht to do in life than to play games, for example high school, university, sports etc. I am not a 'gamer' type you consider yourself to be. I am focusing my energies more on setting my life and my career.

So wait, because you have other things to do in life , instead of buying the games and play them, you steal them and play them ?
A stolen game takes less time to play ?
How does this work .. ?

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Originally posted by sonex1987:
I think i played diablo 2 until 2007 from 1998 or 9 whevener it came out, the other games I considered not worth playing but that is my own taste and it's not even worth arguing over.

So now you are saying you have only played diablo 2 in the last 10 years ?
I thought you bought that game ? What happened to 'go back to pirating' like you said ?
You actually never have pirated a game ? Is that what you are saying now ?

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Originally posted by sonex1987:
Finally, do you understand that I am actually refering to other things that are available out there for sale, not just computer games. If something IS S**T , I WILL NOT BUY IT.
If i get it free, I will consume it and throw it away, AND I WILL SAY... THANK GOD I DIDNT PAY FOR THIS AS IT IS USLESS. This is why i tend to research before consuming anything, be it food, entertainment, which is also why I dont consume much as there is little quality in the mass produced world we live in today.

This one is great :d ... Lots of contradictions.
Read the bold part above to yourself again , and then facepalm yourself.
Because basically you just said you will download anything you can get your little mits on, play it, and then say 'omg thank god i didn't pay for this yay!'.
In other words, you steal anything you can, and after 'consuming' it you decide whether you are happy you stole it, or not ?
Do you not understand what is wrong with this ?

Let me explain: You already stole it ! It does NOT matter if you find the product you stole GOOD or BAD .

Can you not see this ? Stealing is for losers, whether what you steal is good quality or bad quality (in your opinion i might add) does not matter.
"hey dude, i just stole your car, but it's cool, i did not like the car at all so i trashed it" .
Like that ?

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Originally posted by sonex1987:
If there is a Crap Hollywood movie out, I will not go watch it in the cinema. In fact, I will most likely not even download it because Its a waste of my time and money. In fact I think the last hollywood film i watched was doom 3 i dont know how long ago. The films i did pay for were on the european movie festival. Do you understand the word QUALITY?

First of: quality is SUBJECTIVE. You think that because YOU think something is of bad quality, it gives you the right to steal it ?
Are you retarded perhaps ?

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Originally posted by sonex1987:
And where did I say that i would play a worthless game for days.. I said I would try it out for an hour or two just for the sake of killing time at that particular moment in time, and even then I would most likely toss it away in the rubbish bin. Why play it at all you ask, To maybe see if its worth buying??

[/b]But i thought you did extensive research before buying products, through REVIEWS and such ?
Oh wait, you just steal it to try it for a bit.
And when you tried it you will buy the game ?
Riiiight, i bet all the games you tried were 'almost worth your money' . They came close, but were just 1% short of awesomeness to buy. I bet that happens everytime :d[/b]

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Originally posted by sonex1987:
You might think Im full of ****, and you are right, with more people like me, capitalism wouldn't function because I got out of the habbit of consuming crap. Again you might feel like I'm full of ****, but again its all to do with things ive read, and the way i was brought up. Conspicuous consumption may later in life become my thing when I start working and earning money, But at the moment, cosidering my wages as a student, I am very picky about what i buy, and i dont buy a lot.

But you steal everything you can LoL . You're picky about what you buy, but not picky about what you steal.
It makes perfect sense, if you're a total idiot.

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Originally posted by sonex1987:
but then again, Even when i start earning big bux , I will NOT pay for bad products, And i will inform myself of QUALITY products. Because one thing you can never buy back IS TIME.

That is excellent. Nobody should buy crap products.
AS LONG AS YOU DON"T STEAL THEM INSTEAD.

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Originally posted by sonex1987:
Time, working for $10 per hour, for 10 hours to buy a crap game... Is this game, which i paid $100 for and 10 hours of my time + the time i spent testing it out worth the price. MOST LIKELY NOT.

You lost me completely here. I am not sure what they teach you at the elementary school you are at now, but what they SHOULD be teaching you, is some BASIC MORALS.

What scares me is that i'm now convinced that you actually think you are in the right here.

That stealing is ok as long as you think what you are stealing is crap.

Well it is NOT. In the civilized world that is. You shouldn't even steel a bucket of sh^t .

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http://www.104thphoenix.com/
http://www.reverbnation.com/stevesdemos

Game__On said:
"Well it is NOT. In the civilized world that is. You shouldn't even steel a bucket of sh^t"

LMAO. Excellent analogy. Agreed

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it is obvious i am dealing with a moron here, I wont even bother reading what you said above since you cannot even come up with an original argument, but you have to quote what I say.
You have not read anything, you don't know much.

I only saw morals in that whole bunch of crap, not realizing that the system you live in is based on stealing. But you have been brain washed which is nice to see, because one day, I will be stealing out of your pocket too.

Ever watched the sopranos? In the first few minutes, even though Tony is a criminal, he looks at his rear view mirror at the real BIG criminals of this world, the corporate world. Look what greed has turned today's world into, now the whole world is suffering and out of work.

This is a civilized world, you are taught through institutions not to steal, but only those that do seem to prosper.

It really is difficult to explain anything to an ignorant brainwashed person that you are, since you have obviously not read anything in your life.

If i were you, I really would stop trying to create moral dilemmas in people because that is not your job. Media already spends millions on brainwashing..

Start here my friend, Howard Zinns People's history of the United States. If you are too illiterate , go to Yale's website , and find a whole semester of recorded lectures on the Western ideology which started in Ancient Greece. Do some research, stop arguing on the forums and you might realize you just sound like a parrot with no brains

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haha just keep in mind that next time you see someone outside in a corporate suit and a tie , think twice about who is doing your banking and overcharging you on interest loan and bank fees

because you never know... it might just be me who is 'legally' stealing from your pocket :P oh but that you will accept since it is legal and it has been approved by the courts lol

One more thing you should ask yourelf and go research... Why was THE LAW created. why??? go look at the history of law and you will realize that in its basic roots, it is there to protect the interests of the rich. lol

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..."moronic babbling"...

Oh dear, don't you sound like the typical 19 year old that just read his first book and bases his whole life on it

It's like watching a toddler running around in a batman suit .
Thinks he's all smart and stuff...It's just so damned adorable !

Ok Tony (LoL)
Listen kid, you aren't sh^t , never going to be sh^t, and will end up begging on the streets if you keep up this noobish perspective on life.

Good luck with that :thumb_up:

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A typical what? I'm not 19...

But I can proudly say that at the age of 22 I am soon to have (in 4 weeks) three strong degrees. I can also add that I won’t be begging on the streets like you say as I did my internship with Deloitte last summer and I will be working for them once I finally graduate.

Once again, you are just writing meaningless points to insult, and your statements have no backbone. You don't know how to form a coherent argument, and you also don't know how to question ideas. In fact, you act like a fascist by telling people what they should and shouldn't do without giving a good enough reason.

You then include pictures of black people which have nothing to do with points I discussed, but I guess those were necessary to show the level of your maturity. I used The Sopranos to simplify some ideas to your level, and all you see is 'Gangster' and 'Black' in that argument. This again proves you don't have the ability to link ideas, which is why I again suggest that you get some education and read some decent books. Leave your two little joysticks alone and unlock yourself from the closet. I say this because your writing style implies you need serious help with argument structure. I told you in the beginning, if you want to state something such as 'noobish perspective on life' (whatever noobish means?), at least explain why, where, whet etc otherwise I don’t know what you are referring to.

… but too late for that now anyways.

I am actually done arguing with you here. My main argument was that I will not buy anything that is not of good quality and I think I discussed some valid points .
You were on the other hand 'arguing' or insulting me, saying that piracy is not good for various reasons. Then you contradicted yourself by saying that pirating a 50cent album doesn't concern you and you are alright with that. That shows weakness and you have not convinced me that I am wrong. In fact, you supported my argument, which was that I believe that anything which is not of decent quality should be pirated if the price doesn’t match the benefits of the item. This will in turn encourage companies to produce better quality products.

So in this thread I just ended up clarifying a few of my own ideas to myself, which I still strongly support.

I have nothing else to add and I fully stand behind everything I said, and nothing else you add beyond this point will convince me otherwise. I say this because you already showed to me that you are an uneducated fool, and your arguments have no substance. You seem to enjoy 'playing Jesus' online in order to show others how you are a well respected citizen of this world, and an ‘honest’ forum member.

If anyone else on this forum wishes to address some of the issues and question some of the things I said you are welcome to and I will respond you.

Thanks

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game_on, i have to be honest, you sound like a little kid running around trying to be smart too. in fact, you did it first. why don't both of yall quit with the internet toughguy crap. sonex, pirating isn't cool. gameon, get off your soapbox please.

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game_on, i have to be honest, you sound like a little kid running around trying to be smart too. in fact, you did it first. why don't both of yall quit with the internet toughguy crap. sonex, pirating isn't cool. gameon, get off your soapbox please.

Yeah you are right I'll stop as this will not solve anything. I would much rather have this whole conversation in person then on a gaming forum, but what the heck, I felt like writing :P

Thanks for helping out with my original problem though

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no problem. always happy to help with game relevant questions

to the best of my ability anyway. i'm probably the least experienced/committed regular poster here.

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and by the way, Ill say it again, the cracked version of this game IS AVAILABLE, with a simple google search... jesus christ lol

There is absolutely no crack for Lock On: Flaming Cliffs. There is only two known crackers that can take on StarForce (which, by the way, also buy the game), and obviously their main shot in games isn't flight sims. Crackers are different than pirates, they don't tend to profit from their work...usually just really good computer coders/programmers.

Don't get me wrong, StarForce is the worst DRM out there, it has been known to fry a harddrive on more than one occasion...but is by far the hardest to reverse engineer.

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Originally posted by sonex1987:
and by the way, Ill say it again, the cracked version of this game IS AVAILABLE, with a simple google search... jesus christ lol

There is absolutely no crack for Lock On: Flaming Cliffs. There is only two known crackers that can take on StarForce (which, by the way, also buy the game), and obviously their main shot in games isn't flight sims. Crackers are different than pirates, they don't tend to profit from their work...usually just really good computer coders/programmers.

Don't get me wrong, StarForce is the worst DRM out there, it has been known to fry a harddrive on more than one occasion...but is by far the hardest to reverse engineer.

Did you know that all these horror stories about Starforce were brought into the world by frustrated hackers by the way ?

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However something happened in 2005 to change the way in which StarForce would be viewed forever: StarForce became extremely difficult to crack due to the methods that Version 3.0 of StarForce started employing. As we've already discussed, these methods meant that the StarForce-protected UbiSoft title Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory released in March 2005 remained uncracked for over a year. As if by coincidence, towards the end of 2005 with StarForce 3 still uncracked a determined public hate campaign suddenly sprang up, lobbying UbiSoft in particular to permanently remove StarForce.

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Interestingly enough, there's very little in the way of actual evidence that StarForce does anything harmful. The Boycott StarForce Site tries to clumsily summarize the case against StarForce, the most damning indictment apparently being that it installs a 'hidden device driver'. This is supposed to prove the sinister nature of StarForce, however it neglects to mention that commonly-installed third party tools like SpeedFan also install such device drivers (Speedfan.sys) without the user's explicit consent or knowledge. In fact the Speedfan device driver is known to have security vulnerabilities. However as some people will quickly point out, StarForce's drivers have Ring 0 access, but as StarForce themselves point out a large range of other software also installs drivers at Ring 0. StarForce has made the reason for requiring Ring 0 access quite clear, it's a necessity in providing protection against emulation software used to run pirated games:

Full article, ( a very good article by the way, it's HUGE, but it reads away nicely, if you have the time, make a cup of coffee and read it, it's very interesting...)

http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html

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Originally posted by sonex1987:
and by the way, Ill say it again, the cracked version of this game IS AVAILABLE, with a simple google search... jesus christ lol

There is absolutely no crack for Lock On: Flaming Cliffs. There is only two known crackers that can take on StarForce (which, by the way, also buy the game), and obviously their main shot in games isn't flight sims. Crackers are different than pirates, they don't tend to profit from their work...usually just really good computer coders/programmers.

Don't get me wrong, StarForce is the worst DRM out there, it has been known to fry a harddrive on more than one occasion...but is by far the hardest to reverse engineer.

Did you know that all these horror stories about Starforce were brought into the world by frustrated hackers by the way ?

For the most part that is true. And I would fully agree with that statement, but I have known legitimate gamers that have had their harddrives fried by the software. Rare that a legit case happens, a lot for the most part are frustrated hackers blowing up the few stories into something that it wasn't in the first place, but it has happened before (depends wholly on hardware setup from what I have been able to find, this is why legit cases are rare).

Just to remain neutral on this, most of the cases are hackers PC's that tried to reverse engineer it.

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i have read manuals that come with a warning/legal statement absolving DRM software of damage to your drive. warnings from the company itself is about as legit as it gets.

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yea, there isn't actually a crack, but you can still get a copied game working using Anti-blaxx 1.8 and securerom 7..

I don't want to get into that though as I will probably get a ban, but it can be done.

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i have read manuals that come with a warning/legal statement absolving DRM software of damage to your drive. warnings from the company itself is about as legit as it gets.

They offered money for anyone to prove that it damages your computer...the bad thing about that is you had to reverse engineer the software which was also covered in the license agreement (inevitably anyone that proved this to be true would have to pay a lot of money and possibly prison time in doing so).

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