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I can see some of the points being made. So now my question is, what about CoD4 was any better than CoD2 or 3? Other than the scenery they are essentially the same, but you'll down GRAW2 because it's the same as the first. CoD4 is a fun game, but it like so many others will go by the wayside when something else comes out. Halo 2 did, Gears did, GRAW did, and CoD will. That's why few play it anymore. |
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I personally didn't get into the multiplayer for the other CoDs because while the campaign mode was great I just never had any interest in a WWII setting for online play. You raise a good point about online games growing stagnant as time goes on. But I think the reason CoD4 really caught on was because the feel of play online (the buttons, movement, lobby system, lack of "spawn camping", etc.). Also CoD4 seems less like I'm trapped and more like I'm able to do what I should in a real battle. Again while CoD4 doesn't have the same tactical quality it is a modern war game without a lot of the kinks and problems that were complained about with the recent GR series. The server/lobby system alone is reason to praise CoD and question the lack luster results from UBI. |
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A lot could be learned by looking at COD4's example. They had a rabid fanbase with COD/COD2, and when COD3 came out and changed everything a lot of people were upset. It didn't feel anything like a COD game - if anything it was more like a WW2 version of Battlefield 2. COD4 went back to the original formula, while updating it with a ton of new features like party matchmaking, unlockables, perks, hardcore mode, arcade mode, and so on. No it's not really a tactical game, but the COD series never was. They added hardcore mode to appeal to the fans of tactical shooters who have been mostly abandoned by GR and R6, but that doesn't mean that they took out "regular" mode. And it has succeeded beyond what anybody could have imagined.
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No offense but if you really believe that, then you probably played GRAW simply the wrong way.  [/QUOTE]No i played it the way you play it in clan matches and tournaments. which is the main reason to play online which is to compete and thats all was ever used rifles. and smoke. nothing else. ---------------------------------- GamerTag: xX F u G u ClanTag: T4C F u g u T4C | Thanks For Coming | T4C GoNNa sLaP Ya |
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i think if they just used the engine from GR2 and GR2: SS with the graphics of the new titles then i think the games would be as active as ever. the new engine is a let down from previous GR games. ---------------------------------- GamerTag: xX F u G u ClanTag: T4C F u g u T4C | Thanks For Coming | T4C GoNNa sLaP Ya |
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Huh... I would have thought it was to have fun.  ------------------------------- "I just blew your mind, didn't I? The ol' universe isn't the warm, comfy place it was seven seconds ago, is it...?" - Bucky Kat |
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oh here we go.
simpletons play for fun. ppl who wanna achievesomething /play to win, play to compete. just like everything else. ---------------------------------- GamerTag: xX F u G u ClanTag: T4C F u g u T4C | Thanks For Coming | T4C GoNNa sLaP Ya |
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What are you achieving exactly? |
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sorry iv just noticed it didnt make sense.
well to achieve something is say finishing 1st,2nd 3rd etc Win matches, win playoofs and so on and so on. thats what i would like to achieve and thats all iv come across on all forums till i started to read this one. ---------------------------------- GamerTag: xX F u G u ClanTag: T4C F u g u T4C | Thanks For Coming | T4C GoNNa sLaP Ya |
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And even more important, are people who are simply playing for fun don't try to achieve something as well (having fun)? Sigs & Avatars | Terms of Use | My Blog | Patches & more | Vth_F | W[N]M | NORG   Xbox Live Gamer Tag: Vth F Smith |
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wow have i been warped into some sort of social meeting here or something
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I mostly play for fun but I have to say, I have the MOST fun competing in clan matches and tournaments. If you haven't actually competed then you don't know what it feels like to have your heart in your throat when you're the last man alive. It's a feeling you'll never get in player rooms or playing "for fun."
And pulling it off in the clutch? That is fun.  |
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What about Coop players? Are they not having fun or are they not GR players? Get with it really.
The GR franchise has been so *******ized that it is a shell of it's former self. While it is a step up from CoD (and the following sequels, it does have it's good points still, even if it *******ized. GR now is one of the flavor of the month games and not a game that grabs someone by the nads and keeps them interested even 7 years after it's initial release (and with new mods being made for the PC version of GR, it appears it will keep going for another year or so). While I think that GR should return to it's roots, I don't believe it will, not with the current mindset of the publishers (and their focus groups) and the notion that all games have to play the same, and gamers are to blame for this really.  "Do not build your community around a game.... Build your game around a community" Staff GhostRecon.net | Aggression WhiteKnight77 | Blackfoot Studios |
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Well sure you might have fun doing it, but I'd say you have a skewed sense of what fun actually is if you find it more "fun" to kill mindless AI over competent opponents online. Just my opinion. |
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Trust me, if you are getting shot at your feet will MAKE you sprint. Not to mention that most recon teams don't use gear as heavy as you describe, especially if they are with a large squad/group (such as the case with GRAW). Typical loadout would be as such: chest-rig, holster/sidearm, helmet, grenades, SAPI plates or soft armor (although some choose to opt for no armor for increased mobility), camelbak, primary weapon, magazines (not clips ) and the ammo within those mags. I know and play with airsofters that carry similar kitlists (yes, including REAL body armor) and they run around poppin heads like madmen. While I'll admit that jumping is usually impractical and usually never happens, if you need to sprint you will. |
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This is war, u can clamber and trust me thats all ud be able to do in real war
Thats fairenough  I just prefer a more realistic gameplay,and GRAW2 does it for me. |
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Dont be so sure about that mindset. |
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Some of the most fun I've had, is setting up a good co-op mission in games like OFP. I compete a little bit with other people in some games, but most of the time I just compete with friends seeing who places the highest in normal games. |
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I guess you never played any of the Alpha Squad mods from their Coop Tournaments then have you? Oh wait, you can't download and play mods on a console sorry. When you can say that you have beat one of their missions with the AI flanking and 6ing you, come talk to me. Try Frostbite too while you are at it. The AI in GR (notice I didn't say GRAW) may have been a bit to be desired on the recruit level was 100 times more smarter after IT was released (especially on the elite level) and at least works better than some teams do in TvT competition (I've been that route too). "Do not build your community around a game.... Build your game around a community" Staff GhostRecon.net | Aggression WhiteKnight77 | Blackfoot Studios |
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