Its 2001 roots especially its game play.


I am sure I am not alone here on this subject.

I dont want to harp on about what we had and what we got now, there is no point.

I want the game play to go back to what it was no more no less, its a simple task.

It really would be good to see a lot of support for this request but its up to you the members here and elswhere.

OK, I did not play to much gr back in 2001, so I'm in some deep water on this one, however, the gameplay in my book needs to be smother, I mean the movements of the characters, the aiming and even solving objects.

GRAW feels a bit to "stiff" and if I remember correctly so did GR back when I tested it out.
A good example of smooth game play is RVS (at least smooth enough)

I guess what folks really miss about GR (2001) is the tactical aspects of the game, I to love tactical games however there can be to much of it, look at Armed Assault, a real tactical game however the learning curve is to steep for the average player (at least for me) so I guess if I need to compare to a game that I do know well and with concerns of what kind of gameplay I would like to see in any Ghost Recon game it would be near to Red Orchestra: Ostfront 42-45.
OK forget everything about WWII, and huge big tanks, I'm after the tactical aspects, I know it's probably hard to see what I mean, you will probably be blinded by all the tanks and WWII, but I promise RO is a extremely tactical game with good replay value and a learning curve that is not far to steep.

Edit: btw, if your interested in RO, the game goes for $9.95 trough steam until 1'st Jan 2008
RO $9.95

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I said this before but I'll say it again. Technology is a beautiful thing if you know how to use it.

The consumer base is somewhat naive (stupid would be to harsh of a word!) and they will buy anything and everything so, this is what UBI needs to do.

Keep coming out with whatever you want for AW3 and the consumer base will buy it... you know this to be true.

Now, if you grab the old GR1 & 2 game maps, redisign them with new graphics, textures, better AI, faster engine and whatnot, the consumer base will still buy it + the real FPS tactical nuts will love you forever.

Game Play:

We are Ghosts, let us act like them. We can make our own decisions in game. Just give us some challenging missions, that can be played like the GR1 missions...

More than ready to make some missions if all functions are in place for the new installment.

Modding Tools

Little and no feedback on Vehicles, besides a ref max file. We want our boats back also.

Ideas

Bring back the floor poly system. AI suffers. Will not follow off a shanty roof.

Hopes

Lot`s, but, I had high hopes for GR2.

I'm done with UBI, three strikes and you're out. First was GR2, which only got released to console (and it sucked). Second was GRAW1, which also sucked. Third was GRAW2, which was an inside the park home run. All they had to do was patch the darn thing and give us more maps like they did the console peeps. But they didn't, so I'm done w/UBI. I will try before I buy from here on out.

What I miss about the Rogue Spear / Ghost Recon days is how immersive the games were. Everything about the game was built around suspending reality for a short while and placing you in an environment where you were a member of the Rainbow Six team, you were a member of the Ghost team and you had to think tactically to get the advantage on your opponent(s). The maps, the sounds, the weapons, the character movement and skins, the planning.... all believable, credible, fun and completely satisfying.

You know, for all the free advice UBISOFT has been getting on these forums on what makes a great game etc. I feel like someone should be sending an invoice to them for consultation fees.

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Yes, Ubi please bring back GR1. Not a carbon-copy, but the essence of the game.

I don't need to tell you guys about market segments and all that stuff. The community has been all but starved of tac-sim/shooters since the original R6 and GR games. There is market for it.

But you have to understand that this is different from other first person shooters. You have to "get it". The people at RSE that made the original R6 and GR1 games "got it". No really. My first thought when playing R6 and GR1 for the first time was "these people actually get it, they understand!".

As I understand it, those people are no longer with RSE or Ubi. So you'll have to find someone else that really "get it". I've tried to explain what "it" is to the best of my ability in this thread. The mindset is everything, and without it it's pointless to even try making such a game.

Tell you what Ubi, you send me a plane ticket and I'll fly down and explain it to you guys in person, face to face. No strings attached, full NDA and all that stuff.

If you're interested in tac-sims at all, that is...

Respectfully

krise madsen

Hmm, you guys are the last batch of hopefull ones, there is no GR comunity anymore, GR is as dead as this morbid forum section.

While you pray to get your game back UBI is probably disecting COD4's success formula, because that game is selling like beer..

I had a great year playing Armed Assault .

You are not alone Colin, I just fear that (like me) many people see no evidence that Ubi (or their developers) really care about this genre/community.

As I do not frequent these forums often, I saw your posts over at GR.net and responded there. My thoughts can be seen here and here. I hope someone is actually reading/thinking and that they do manage to see their way clear to actually do some research on the topic.

Give me Ghost Recon with updated Graphics. Not SO updated that I have to buy a new compy to play it though.

Maybe OGR was a moment in time that can never be replicated. The way you played with the crew that you played with is locked in space & time and will never be again.

One can hope though

kp

Well, As a dedicated GR gamer, I also agree.
It would be a most wonderful thing if the
original Ghost Recon was revamped, and brought
back.
I ran out and purchased GRAW as soon as it hit
the market. BIG DISAPPOINTMENT.
So I haven't even tried GRAW 2.
I just went back to good ole Ghost Recon.

quote:

Originally posted by FWT_Pharoh:
Well, As a dedicated GR gamer, I also agree.
It would be a most wonderful thing if the
original Ghost Recon was revamped, and brought
back.
I ran out and purchased GRAW as soon as it hit
the market. BIG DISAPPOINTMENT.
So I haven't even tried GRAW 2.
I just went back to good ole Ghost Recon.

Yes I know I was on your server last night good bunch.

quote:

Originally posted by ColinCJ:

It really would be good to see a lot of support for this request but its up to you the members here and elswhere.

It's not up to us. UBI doesn't care at ALL what we think.

I wanted to chime in and support this thread and "ditto" what Colin and Buehgler has stated.

Also,I wanted UBI to know that they MISSED getting any of my money with AW1 and AW2 ( and NO I don't play "cracked" games,I buy what I play) ,when they dropped the features that made GR such an enjoyable and great game (see "poll" and other threads for explainations) and limiting coop to 4 players.I'm still wondering WHO came up with THAT not so bright idea. Bottom line UBI,you treat the coop community like "redheaded step children" and you dont sell as many games as you could have,IF a good coop mode is included in your productions.

Updating OGR was all they ever needed to do. Nuff said.

hi,
I have been playing GR since 2001 and have found it to be a fantastic game. I tried BF2 and GRAW but came back to GR time and time again. OK the graphics aren't great but the game play is awesome. There are still a lot of dedicated servers around and I play most nights.
So I agree lets get GR back to its roots.

cheers

I also am not going to buy a single UBI product again, until we really get Ghost Recon 2, and not that graw

I bought graw for my son & I and made my buddies buy it, and it was terrible. I bought 1 copy of Graw 2 and returned it the next week to ebgames. Shame on you UBI, shame on you!!!!!!!!!!!

I WANT A GAME JUST LIKE GHOST RECON,

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I guess I need to look deeper as to the specifics of what people miss from GR or what GRAW lacks, but GRAW2, which I've just recently gotten on PC, leaves me with a similar impression to that of GR. I played a fair bit of GR back in the day. I was heavily into OFP at the time. While I played OFP for years, GR just faded from my interest. I never bought the expansions.

I'm thoroughly enjoying GRAW2 despite certain AI flaws, Much like I did GR, although I can't see it holding my attention for an extended period. One thing for sure is that I can't really determine the difference between the two. Obviously I haven't been a hardcore GR gamer all this time like many others here, but I'd be happy with the GRAW series if they just fixed the AI.

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Originally posted by AJRobson:

quote:

Originally posted by ColinCJ:

It really would be good to see a lot of support for this request but its up to you the members here and elswhere.

It's not up to us. UBI doesn't care at ALL what we think.

AJ Hi, your comment is made on a Ubi forum that is provided so that you can give feedback, I figure if they did not care we would not have the forum.

Ubisoft like many large companies are steered towards what type of product to produce, with regards to the pc version I would say what advice was given was wrong.

Or the company has stoped makeing games for a niche crowd ie GR hardcore team players.

You get a certain ammount of idea the interest in the old game by looking at how many replies we get.

I admit this is partly due to bad History and people not comeing back.

Any way I am willing to push one more time to see Ubisoft release a game as they did in 2001.

Threads like this help but only if the responce is good.

I think UBI has every idea of what we want, their last two attempts of GRAW and GRAW2 were clearly direct attempts to fulfill this niche in the market.

Unfortunately the developer sucked.
You see the developers that made Ghost Recon were highly experienced and the innovative and talented programmers that spawned the genre.

Grin are the company that had made two previous flops, both of them being driving games with extremely poor netcode.


UBI will be constantly looking to find the latest cutting edge developers. It knows where the gaps and or demand in the market are and seeks to fill them.
Unfortunately it is rather a hit or miss affair in the same way as the movie business is.
They have to get lucky. Just knowing what the people want to buy isn't the same as being able to make it.

Ubi alreay know. So if you want them to start making hit Tac Shooters, point them in the direction of unsigned Tac Shooter developers.

I think the boys at Kuju would be an excellent place to start. Aquire the studio that made The Regiment please.