Originally posted by ShadownetPT:
Forum,

Its been quite sometime since I posted (previously known as Shadownet001), but now that I was forced to re-register I though mabye it was time to weigh in.

Splinter Cell back in the day was something truly amazing. We as a forum were a tight knit group..Vth, AJ667, Terrax to name a few..we were all part of something truly amazing...a game that we pretty much lived... Coupled by the fact that we had cameo appearances by Martin Caya (for those of you reading this and dont know who that is...your are proving my point)we were in essence the lifeblood of splinter cell.

Then came Pandora tomorrow...and although I believe it was a great game in its own right (minus the horrible voice overs and spelling mistakes in the OPSAT info allowed by Shanghai)
the forum exploded...new and very young members joined and as the demographic grew the rules began to change in order to appease them.

Where as in Pandora Tommorrow the multiplayer still followed the story line by disabling the pox viruses....the next couple of splinter cells would turn it into a game where the lack of storyline and immaturity on the part of some players began to take our beloved splinter cell and turn it into something that was now being based soley on money and not the fact the we could get lost in the amazing story telling and the game itself.

I loved Chaos Theory and I believe it was a step in a positive direction. The addition of the COOP spies started to reminded me of the SC beginnings. Could it be that the essence of Splinter Cell was coming back? Imagine following a new Splinter Cell through his/her training from the beginning...what an amazing idea for a spin-off..but that never panned out.

DA I believe although an enjoyable game is no longer "Splinter Cell". Splinter Cell is just a title used to sell games now. We knew back in the day what a Splinter cell was...and it is no longer. Coupled by the fact that Convictions looks like it will take Sam further away from his roots...well I believe we are looking at the beginning of the end here folks...which I guess everything good has to come to an end sometime.

The purpose of this rant you ask? I am hoping that UBI will realize just what they have here. The possibilities are endless...I would love to play a spin off being an official/unoficial splinter cell going through training right from the start. Training missions(like the first one of the original SC)...first missions...the successes..the failures...it would be great.

I would also love to see a box set of DVD's of short splinter cell movies following the new spies like the ANIMATRIX movies from the Matrix....but I wont hold my breath.

Regardless, I hope someone reads this that can make a difference because it would be a damn shame to see something so amazing be watered down to the point where it is an unrecongnizable form of what it once was..

your thoughts?

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I think this guy is right.
So. What do you want from Ubisoft ? The old Splinter Cell ? Or the fugitive Sam Fisher ?
I mean, it's time do to do a little revolution on this forums. And I don't believe UBI doesn't visit this sites. That would be stupid from them. They must realise that the only people that who love, who play and really understand about SC are here. In this forum. In this god d"*X site they've created. And you know, they only care about selling the most number of SC's as possible. I hate when they say: "It's time to change things." No, they don't mean that. They mean " It is time to get more money, because, I want it, so, f"*c the rest" So, I deeply hope this will get to UBI hq, and fast. Or they will just kill SC.

So, I've read an interesting idea from ShadownetPT: " I would love to play a spin off being an official/unoficial splinter cell going through training right from the start. Training missions(like the first one of the original SC)...first missions...the successes..the failures...it would be great. "
Yes, it would be great. That is a fantastic idea. If you don't like it, we can always get back to the old SC.

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Now, I really hope that this will change things. Yes, I know that it isn't the strongest measure, but maybe we can change things are all. I hope you remember a video of SC, when Sam Fisher said: "People call that destiny... I prefer to call it Chaos Theory."
It all started when ShadownetPT decided to make a new account( well, there isn't much of extraordinary in here ) . But when he posted that post, that was another step of a chain. A chain that I am trying to complete. That's why I've posted this post. But, to complete this chaine, I will need help from all of you - SC world -and from a person that I don't like too much - luck.
So please, don't braike the chaine. Vote for the Splinter Cell we all knewed. Thats because I can't say alone that I'm not happy with this. I need you to say it too. Maybe this way they will listen, and take "evasive measures". Put this post in all game forums, in all SC blogs, in the internet, magazines, whatever. Just do it !
One more thing: are with me ?

Choices:
Yes - lets do it right UBI. I want the old days.
No - keep it that way.

 

One more thing, Ubi : You didn't and you aren't going to sell that much SC's as you think.

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Yes - lets do it right UBI. I want the old days.

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One more thing, Ubi : You didn't and you aren't going to sell that much SC's as you think.

According to...the 5 people mentioned in this kids post? I have a feeling that their protest won't put a dent in sales.

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Originally posted by stavros_27:
I have a feeling that their protest won't put a dent in sales.

LoL And that's why it's called "selling out".

I just wish I lived in a world where big companies had souls, and didn't **** on loyal customers just to make another buck. We're not limited by technology anymore - if Ubi wanted to, they could make a game that with options to satisfy everyone. I don't see them trying to do that, I just see them being cheap.

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I just wish I lived in a world where big companies had souls...

You should look into moving to Mars, then.

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Originally posted by stavros_27:

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I just wish I lived in a world where big companies had souls...

You should look into moving to Mars, then.

I'm not one for running from problems.

C'mon people, lets vote ! Maybe we cand do something ...!

UBI, please listen, spliter cell chaus theroy was a step in the right direction. with sam displaying his samurai roots (when he pulls the knife from the admerial). now tack that and run with it. sam belongs to the night. his fighting style should be that of fillipino style.(very deadly) his knife, a double sided kerambit.(a small knife with the potentiol to decap someone very fluidly) and i also have to ask why does sam grabe a person and break their back.there are many effect ways to silently down someone with a knife and im sure sam would love to kill quitly. build this into the new game im asking the only way i know how. give sam the fifth freedom again, let him do his deadly work at night. thank you ubi, thank you.

How about finding out how the new game is before making a big huge public outcry?

I understand there were things people were disappointed about in DA, but I wouldn't be surprised if they try to address those in the new game. And if they don't, an outcry would be appropriate.

And yes, I understand about the new game being "taken out of the shadows" but I would still find out more about how it all turns out when the game is out.

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C'mon people, lets vote ! Maybe we can do something ...!

Yea, like they listened to us and fixed all the bugs and problems in DA.

UBI can blow me.

hmmm, he makes a good point, I'm split in the middle. I loved double agent and I think ConViction will be a great game but the idea of following new cadets through training and their first missions and even a short seris about it would be awesome.

after getting back into the series i begin to understand what the devlopers are working for. trying to free same from the nonstop endless orders from above. and if convection makes this happen, could there perhaps be a black market for sam to go and customize his equipment.would the world be as open as grand theft auto were you can go hot wire a car drive it to YOUR objective. scoop out the building, go the the back of the building, switch into orginal SC clothing, knock out power to the building, clear the building of american foes .then go back out doors and make for the quick get away,i think being able to give sam a certain customabilty for each individual player would be steps ahead of any competetion. a wide range of freedoom would make for a game that is near impossiable to put down. i dont know just sayin what im thinking.

either way im still buying the new game. i was not trying to make an outcry just pointing out what i think the game could use improvment.constructive critacisam.the SC devlopers are doing and awsome job and i tip my hat to there great works. keep up the great work buddys.

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Originally posted by TonikJDK:

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C'mon people, lets vote ! Maybe we can do something ...!

Yea, like they listened to us and fixed all the bugs and problems in DA.

UBI can blow me.

That was shanghai. Shanghai does that. This is different. There have been many forum posts and blog posts by the devs of SCC. this time, they actually seem to be hearing us. maybe.

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Originally posted by TonikJDK:

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C'mon people, lets vote ! Maybe we can do something ...!

Yea, like they listened to us and fixed all the bugs and problems in DA.

UBI can blow me.

The DA game itself was a problem. The multiplayer was terrible. That's why everyone still playes CT. Make new maps for CT!!!

Intensive Story, like Ct or the original SC...

Okay, i'm sorry but i'm not going to lie to you; you people are full of yourselves. This is the stupidest thing i have ever read! You say splinter cell is no longer splinter cell? Well i agree, it has evolved and moved on! Don't take this the wrong way, i'm severely disappointed by the lack of support for these games, but that's not the development team's fault.

So let me get this straight, you "tightly knit" forum goers who claim to have been here since the very start want splinter cell to stay the exact same? You wouldn't mind having to play essentially the same game over and over again with different mission? Believe me, i've played all 4 splinter cells to date and i found each of them, at their core, to be just as enjoyable than the next! A little better in concept every step of the way, in fact.

Splinter cell started out great and fresh, but after 3 very similar games, it lost it's distinct flavour. It's kind of like chewing gum, you don't want to chew the same piece for too long, because then it starts getting boring. I think double agent was a very good step, in concept at least, to take the genre forward. Sadly, the PC version was horrendously ignored and now the higher ups in UBI have entombed it by shutting down any further support. This is very depressing because i see a good game just dying to be perfected, but sadly, it will not.

I know some of you have low hopes for conviction, but let's not forget that it's the same people at the core who are making it and will surely bring something new and invigorating to the game while keeping that splinter cell feel. Seriously, we need to start making people aware of the terrible customer support at Ubisoft. That's the only way you can really speak to the greedy *******s at the top, hurt their sales.

I'm not saying DA isn't a good game, i agree with you in that. But what I only want is to things not to change in another gameplay... I don't care if is daylight or nigth missions. I only want Splinter Cells - the members of the Third Echelon -, good, intensive stories ( not saying that Convictions will not have a good stroy ) and the same gameplay. And no, I'm not tired of the chewing gum. Because she's diferent every game. New missions, new entertainement, new moves, new game. But please, don't change the gameplay and the type of game. That's my and others opinion, and I'm just defending it.
Another thing I agree with you. I hate those f* Ubisoft managers...

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It's kind of like chewing gum, you don't want to chew the same piece for too long, because then it starts getting boring.

You are right,but you missed your own point.
If you have a favorite kind of Gum like wrigley's spearmint for example,yeah after chewing for awhile it gets old,just like playing Splinter Cell over and over gets old.But a new game in the series comes out and its like a new piece of your fav gum,you chew it/play it,till it gets old.then you want another,and so on and so on... but you don't want a different kind of gum,you still want wrigley's spearmint because thats what you like.

Splinter Cell is like that.Sure a game in the series might get old because you've played it a million times and know each level by heart,but you look forward to another sequel exactly like it but with new missions to accomplish/a new piece of gum to chew just like the last one.

When you already created a game far superior to anything else in its class,there is no reason to think you need to somehow improve it.You cannot improve on perfection.

Ubi in my opinion is trying to fix humpty dumpty after pushing him off the wall. It wasn't broke till they broke it and now they are putting it back together with (some)pieces that were never part of him.

But then there are people who can never be satisfied,and are perpetually unsatiable.
It is to these people who UBI is now serving.