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Originally posted by AndyJWest:
Blutarski writes:

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..... With all due respect, Urufu, you're circling all around the central question here. What was the motivation behind the act in the first place? This was not an accident and it was not an off-the-cuff snit which accidentally spilled into the open. It was a coordinated campaign on the part of the White House to publicly attack and discredit Fox in order to lay a groundwork for freezing them out of the arena of national political coverage. How can you categorize the steps that the White House undertook as "unintentional"?

And you have proof that this was part of 'a coordinated campaign', Blutarski? I've seen none whatsoever so far.

..... You obviously didn't follow the USA media when the whole anti-Fox campaign first hit. There was an array of various White House spokespeople simultaneously issuing statements and giving interviews on the same topic with the same talking points.

That takes planning and "malice aforethought".

Well, Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, is on the record comparing the 'war' on FOX to a brushback pitch in baseball. The goal is to dampen criticism of the administration and to make people think twice before they criticize.

But there's a twist! By floating the notion that Fox isn't a news organization, the Administration opens up the possibility to use campaign finance laws to muzzle Fox. Read more here. The second half gets to the tiff with Fox.

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Originally posted by erco415:
Well, Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, is on the record comparing the 'war' on FOX to a brushback pitch in baseball. The goal is to dampen criticism of the administration and to make people think twice before they criticize.

But there's a twist! By floating the notion that Fox isn't a news organization, the Administration opens up the possibility to use campaign finance laws to muzzle Fox. Read more here. The second half gets to the tiff with Fox.

While we are posting links from the WSJ (which is not considered to be a liberal conspiracy zergling hatchery)..
http://online.wsj.com/article/...499671746743510.html

Yeah, I read that when it was first published. And I agree with some of it, too. (Though I think he interprets Fox's 2005 response to the NYT story to his advantage.) One thing that is interesting, Frank says that the conflict between heartland types and liberals is imaginary, and perhaps as Fox puts it, it is. But the left was pretty surprised by the town hall stuff this summer, it is possible that Fox is onto something.

Imagine the outrage from the left if President Bush tried what President Obama has tried. Why no outrage from the left over the treatment the left leaning media gave President Bush? Oh yeah, they were also the ones that were critical of him and attacking him too.

You can't have it both ways. Either all news media are journalists or they are not. Trying to muzzle the news media is a slippery slope for any President (yeah, Nixon lost out there as noted earlier and now Obama has too). There will always be criticism of the sitting President by either the left or right leaning media and nothing we can say or do will stop it. It is even worse for the President to try and do so.

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Originally posted by erco415:
Well, Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, is on the record comparing the 'war' on FOX to a brushback pitch in baseball. The goal is to dampen criticism of the administration and to make people think twice before they criticize.

But there's a twist! By floating the notion that Fox isn't a news organization, the Administration opens up the possibility to use campaign finance laws to muzzle Fox. Read more here. The second half gets to the tiff with Fox.

..... Very interesting.

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Originally posted by SterlingX
While we are posting links from the WSJ (which is not considered to be a liberal conspiracy zergling hatchery)..
http://online.wsj.com/article/...499671746743510.html

Hmm, interesting...

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Originally posted by erco415:
One thing that is interesting, Frank says that the conflict between heartland types and liberals is imaginary, and perhaps as Fox puts it, it is. But the left was pretty surprised by the town hall stuff this summer, it is possible that Fox is onto something.

I see what you're trying to say but I find it difficult to lend any weight to it as FOX's rhetoric was primarily responsible for the outraged and misinformed attitudes at these meetings. In fact, hasn't FOX and the GOP been linked to sponsoring the activities in these town hall meetings, or am I thinking of the tea party protests?

Well, depending on who you believe... the protests this summer were all phony events staged by Republican 'operatives' (you can always pick them out of the crowd, they're well dressed- or so the left says) and their army of brain-dead minions. And if you want to believe that there was nothing to get upset about in this summer's proposal, that it was all a trick of the mind-controlling Fox news, then I suppose that everyone will eventually see the light and we can all join the children in singing the praises of the Dear Leader.

But, it is possible, just, that some people are beginning to feel that the good folks in Washington have lost touch with them. Congress has historically low approval ratings. The economy isn't great, and the government keeps spending money like there's no tomorrow. I think a lot of people, especially outside of the megalopolis', are fed up. And I think Congress is clueless. Fox's ratings suggest I'm right.

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But, it is possible, just, that some people are beginning to feel that the good folks in Washington have lost touch with them. Congress has historically low approval ratings. The economy isn't great, and the government keeps spending money like there's no tomorrow. I think a lot of people, especially outside of the megalopolis', are fed up. And I think Congress is clueless. Fox's ratings suggest I'm right.

I have written to my Congressman and both Senators several times this past year to explain my displeasure over certain things. I even told them that if there is any bill that would require more taxes to be taken from my paycheck, they can pay for it out of their own pockets and stay out of mine. One is a Democrat and the other two are Republicans. One of those three was thrust on me when new districts were drawn up.

I have always believed in "Whats good for the goose is good for the gander". If you didn't give a hoot about the press disrespecting Bush when he was in office, then shut up about right wing news outfits disrespecting the current office holder. Some have a nasty habit of calling anything bad about the President a lie. No need to see if there is anything to these reports, they come from a conservative news organization- so they MUST be a lie! Strange, did you believe that all the anti-Bush reteric was a lie because it came from liberal leaning news organizations? Probably not.

If something comes from the left, it is to be believed as if it is the word of God. If it comes from the right, it has to be lie as it can not contain any truth. NOT!

Those in power desire nothing more than total power over the rest of us. This applies to the conservatives as well as the liberals. "Always Question Authority" is as appropriate today as when it was shouted out in the 60's. One had better ask questions about what the current administration really wants to do. Not take the stance that they are doing what is best for the interests of the people, no questions asked. Watch what any administration does and do not take the word of the administration spokeshole as gospel truth as to why they are doing it.
Follow the campaign contributions back to see who is trying to buy the election. Big business or giant unions, it still is the same result- we are buying you so that you will do our bidding once you are in office. (Our business is to make more money for ourselves.)
If you are not complaining when one side plays hanky panky, then do not complain when the other does the same thing.

they just don't like FOX because Fox wont fall in-step with the Lame Stream Media

I don't ever debate with people in my life about politics anymore let alone here, it's always pointless.

Time to abandon this thread and let it die in a flurry of FOX defenders bantering back and forth until they get bored.

Or lock it altogether maybe?

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Originally posted by roybaty:
I don't ever debate with people in my life about politics anymore let alone here, it's always pointless.

Time to abandon this thread and let it die in a flurry of FOX defenders bantering back and forth until they get bored.

Or lock it altogether maybe?

..... Why lock it? If you object to "FOX defenders bantering back and forth until they get bored", just stop visiting the thread and your problem will be solved.

Because I'm part of the conspiracy of course .

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Originally posted by Blutarski2004:

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Originally posted by roybaty:
I don't ever debate with people in my life about politics anymore let alone here, it's always pointless.

Time to abandon this thread and let it die in a flurry of FOX defenders bantering back and forth until they get bored.

Or lock it altogether maybe?

..... Why lock it? If you object to "FOX defenders bantering back and forth until they get bored", just stop visiting the thread and your problem will be solved.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech.

IMO, I think MSNBC is not left, but radical.

I careless, what is said on MSNBC so why should the whitehouse care what is said on Fox.

Chicago Politics, is what Michell Malkin describes it as. "Shut up the opposition, don't tolerate dissent".

Fox ratings are now out the roof, more viewers than all the other cable networks COMBINED. Now, any sane, sensible person would say we screwed the pooch and we need to retrace our steps here. Nope, the current administration is going to persist like a bulldog. They plan to wear down the opposition.

Maybe the administrations strategy will work, but it seems to be very counter productive at this point.

I think the old bulldog tactic is just going to get doggy-do on them. Fox is continuing to increase their ratings.