yes and that photoshop contest could explain one giant eskeleton but there are hundreds different pictures circulating on the net just image google giant skeleton

i also saw pictures of human skulls with horns

this is no proof for me who disregards many of my odd experinces as hallucinations

but if i disregard such a solid prove as its my vey own eyes would be stupid believing the media blindly

so its POSIBLE or not that some of this giants are true, theres no definite proof one way or the other

i think that of being not convinced or anything, being unsure is the sanest position and i know my mind works right when i hold that position like now

i think both outlaw and fabian fred position are of certain conviction and i think this to be a not very sane position, doubt is better

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Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Consider the ant. It can lift 30 times it's weight. A human can barely lift twice it's own. An elephant cannot lift twice it's own. There a physical law in nature. The larger a living creature gets, the less it can lift relative to its own weight.

Um, I'm pretty sure that has more to do with the body structure and what parts of the body are used to lift object, rather than the size. By your analogy, fruit flys should be able to lift 50 times their weight, and butterflys wouldn't be in so much danger just from people from touching them.

Partially, but I'm sure of what I've written. As mass and weight increase, the load bearing qualities of organic materials fail to keep up.


But I wouldn't put flying animals/insects in with ground dwellers. That wouldn't be very logical.

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Originally posted by raaaid:
what if we are being continually lied by the media

The only person lying to you is you.

There's a difference between lying and misunderstanding. It is obvious Raaaid is not lying.

Personal attacks suck

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Originally posted by raaaid:
i think both outlaw and fabian fred position are of certain conviction and i think this to be a not very sane position, doubt is better

Doubt is a good thing in the right amount, it does keep you sane, prevents you swallowing bs as well as from becoming arrogant I think.

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Partially, but I'm sure of what I've written. As mass and weight increase, the load bearing qualities of organic materials fail to keep up.

Short levers are inefficient in terms of moving things, but they also are not so prone to bending forces (the limit is that as a lever tends to zero length there can be no bending whatsoever). To be able to lift the same relative amount a human would need thicker bones to avoid them breaking even if the human had sufficient muscle mass.

I distinctly remember from highschool biology that there is a limit to how large certain creatures can become and maintain their shape. The example used was King Kong, the teacher explained that at that size his legs would have to have been larger around than his body in order to support a mammal that size. If there was a giant say even 20ft tall a human shape would be unable to support itself.

I doubt the delicate and unstable structure of erect human backbone could develop to such size without collapsing due to weight and mass displacement.

On the other side, I can't imagine the scenario needed for humans evolving that way. It's just a pile of dark age traditional boll*cks.

I used to frequent the gym. At 120kg I was finishing my squats with 266kg x 8 reps.

That was enough.

You can get some really tall men, though...


Ok, I`ll get my flying coat.

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Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I distinctly remember from highschool biology that there is a limit to how large certain creatures can become and maintain their shape. The example used was King Kong, the teacher explained that at that size his legs would have to have been larger around than his body in order to support a mammal that size. If there was a giant say even 20ft tall a human shape would be unable to support itself.

I believe you might be talking about this.

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Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I distinctly remember from highschool biology that there is a limit to how large certain creatures can become and maintain their shape. The example used was King Kong, the teacher explained that at that size his legs would have to have been larger around than his body in order to support a mammal that size. If there was a giant say even 20ft tall a human shape would be unable to support itself.

You remember your highschool biology well.

Something else to consider, an elephant has only a limited capacity to jump, you dont need to drop one very far to break it.
A giant human would have to be very careful indeed.

Mass increases in direct proportion to volume.
Volume is a cube but cross-sectional area (i.e leg bone cross sectional area) is a square.
As an animal gets taller volume 'goes up' faster than cross section.
The same 'law' affects things like lung surface area as well, don't forget O2 consumption is linked to volume.

This means there is an upper limit to how big an 'in proportion' human could grow and still function. Working out that limit is beyond me but I'm sure it's been done, google time.

It's no accident that the largest current animals are in the sea.

If you look at the leg bones of some of the larger dinosaurs they are immense, and they were probably at the upper limit of any mobile animal life possible on earth.

Bigger is always possible but then you'd need multiple systems. Imagine something with a set of lungs and a heart and circulatory system for each leg then one more separate system for the rest.

Possible doesn't necessarily mean logical.

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Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Bigger is always possible but then you'd need multiple systems. Imagine something with a set of lungs and a heart and circulatory system for each leg then one more separate system for the rest.

Possible doesn't necessarily mean logical.

Partly true, but the size limit is far higher than you might think.
Think Barosaurus or Brachiosaurus.
These annimals had weights in the 20-80 tonnes range.
Height at the shoulders at over 8 meters.
Large animals and humans need not be weak. (but the trend is twords smaller creatures having a greater strength to weight).
Fairytale giants are just that, fairytales.
The outside groth limits are probed by giants every so often
by people like "Andre the giant".
He never stopped growing and his condition killed him.
Think of a person like Andre 2,000 years ago.
He would have been between two and three times the height of the average
person.
Add a little imagination and you have a 20' tall person.
88' tall Buddah??????

CB

The problem with some of you guys is that you use far too much logical scientific analysis to everything. It may look clever, but if life shows one thing, it NEVER goes exactly to the numbers. Only sometimes.

This is why when something happens that `shouldn`t` by Human standards of science, you all get so ultra shocked.