The military industrial complex, the ones that make the planes, guns, bombs and other killing machines have kept the US involved in war or warlike scrapes since the 1950s.

The Russians left Afghanistan, and they were warriors. The U.S. soldiers are under so much pressure to do the "politically correct" they are just there as moving targets. I'm not complaining about the Russian soldiers, war is just nasty business.

America is trying to wage a "politically correct war". That is a real help to some 19 year soldier trying to decide whether to shoot someone, questioning whether he can get in trouble for shooting what he perceives is an enemy or are his perceptions wrong.

They military industrial complex absolutely does not want to find Bin Laden or his remains. Their clandestine causes will have to little creditability to continue.

Osama could have been taken out or his body found by coverts years ago, if they wanted him found.

Bin Laden was stupid in his assessment of his terror attack on New York. He just fueled all the money grubbing militarists. If he is is alive he is living like a cockroach, and if he is dead he is incongnito.

America needs to make an arrangement with Pakistan with demands for Osama's head or something. America should pull out of Afghanistan and leave them to their primitive culture.

You can't fix islam. Democracy isn't possible, because their bible tells them to revere the muslim king. Even Obama was bowing to the Saudi Arabiam muslim king. The bearded old goats careless for anything, but keeping their people in subjection. The muslim faith is their sword, which is more effective than any persuasion or argument.

Education, prosperity nothing is going to change the muslim believer, their directives are clearly written throughout the Koran to kill non-believers.

The best peaceful way to deal with the Islamic believers is to keep them separate and apart from non-Islamic believers. You cannot mesh or merge Islam with Christianity or non-islamic belief. Their bible vehemently opposes such union. I don't think of Islam as a bunch of war mongers either. Islam has radicals,extremists and mass murderers just like we have in America.

America needs to pack it up and get out of Afghanistan.

IBTL

Again another half arsed pseudo intellectual moronic post, (Are you Odin?).

If you think prosperity does not change anything, check out Turkey. How do you think Lebanon would be doing now, if the Lebanse and Israeli's could come to a much better agreement? Lebanon once being VERY liberal.

Democracy is not possible in ANY country that does not have the historical-political context for it to develop. It has rarely ever been achieved through violence.

Your final point about not all muslims being genocidal maniacs contradicts the rest of what you were saying.

Don't feed the troll...

Something to pass time till the lock: AWESOMENESS!

Good idea Owl - hijack the troll's topic: more fun than a lock.

Lets start a 'what is the best aircraft' argument: Which aircraft would you most like to crash-land in the Gobi Desert in?

B-25 FTW!

What aircraft would you like to fly in Antartica?

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Originally posted by nearmiss:
I don't think of Islam as a bunch of war mongers either.

yeah

i mean its not like every sentence was saying that eh

Badsight-

please get back off-topic

I reckon a Sunderland would be much better than a B-25 for a desert crash landing, Owl. The hull would take most of the impact, so survivability would be good, and they have on-board cooking facilities - you could make yourself a cup of tea while waiting to be rescued.

And if all else failed, you could take it to pieces, and build a couple of smaller planes out of the bits, so you could fly home in formation.

But does ut have that giant visor over the cockpit glass? Does it have air conditoning?

C-119 or Nord Atlas Duh!!! You can use one of the booms to make another plane!!!



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Owl; LoL, I thought you hated anime Ok, I've been spinning for 5 minutes already That's a catchy tune.

Edit:8 minutes. Am I crazy?

Edit:15 minutes. I must be. Can't stop though. Good thing my roommates aren't home.

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C-119 or Nord Atlas Duh

Well yeah, but like I said, you could probably build two out of a Sunderland.

Loituma, a Finnish musical group made the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4om1rQKPijI

Great stuff!

But Andy, you must admit it would be easier to do it with a Flying Boxcar than a Sunderland. 2 fuselages vs 1

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...Andy, you must admit it would be easier to do it with a Flying Boxcar than a Sunderland. 2 fuselages vs 1

Yes, easier, but you've only got enough bits for one. With a Sunderland, you could build a twin-engined plane with the outer wings, and use the tailplane as wings for a smaller single-engine job. You'd have to fabricate fuselages and tailplanes from the remainder of the plane, but I reckon there would be material to spare. I see a movie here - 'Flight of the Phoenixes': the planes would of course be designed by someone who had only flown in air-combat simulators, though he wouldn't reveal that until the planes took off...

Nice tune, very catchy.