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Should anybody of you guys be interested whats going on in Iran right now, and also have a twitter account, you may want to have a look here
http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23Iranelection |
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They probably already have the mass graves dug up and ready.
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 Although you're being really pessimistic, I wouldn't be very surprised if that happens to be true for some folks outhere... And as in majority of cases, those affected a lot will be young population, students primarily... they are in many cases a carriers of a new age & progress. |
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Let's wait and see. Revoultions sometimes fail, sometimes are successfull. Imho it's too early to make any predictments yet. I just hope the best for the young folks there.
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I heard a story on the radio, probably NPR (don't shoot) of a woman who had tickets to see "Les Miserable" on the road in Frisco. Some how word spread through the audience of the massacre in Tienamin (sp) Square just as the students were manning the barricades at the end of the second act (if I recall correctly). When the curtain rose again to show their dead bodies sprawled beneath their banner, cast, crew and audience wept openly.....
There is no cause more poignant than that wish is lost. Da Worfster |
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Speaking about revolution is nonsense. Even if Musavi takes the throne, not much will change, since the supreme commander in the country is not the president but ayatollah, although even the current one, Khamenei doesn't enjoy much support from among young and educated. All cruical resors are under the command of the Ayatollah, not the president: law, military (especially revolutionary guards and rocket forces), secret services and media.
People are not so much for Musavi as they are against Ahmedinejad. I hope a more democratic Musavi will emerge as a winner, as peacefully as possible. No one in sane mind ever turns when he has any other option. ~ DKoor |
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its W's fault
"If winning isnt everything why do they keep score" Vince Lombardi |
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Everything is W's fault; athlete's foot, global warmi-oops, I meant climate change- morning mouth, and entropy can all be laid at his feet, according to the wretched scribes and talking head info-dudes and -babes on TV.
The mess in Persia is also his fault; without the inspiration of the popular version of Florida 2000, the mullahs would never have come up with fixing the vote, much less offering solely 'approved' candidates only to find that EVERYONE apparently chose the one perceived as less rigid and not as firmly in the ayetollah's pocket. For us in the West, the real difference between Musavi and Ahmedinejad is about the same as that between Kruschov and Brezhnev, which is to say, not much. The issue is not Iran's choice for president, but the repudiation of those who are actually in power. Hopefully, the people of Iran can pry those people out of power without a major bloodbath. Responsible people will consider how they and their governments (if they will respond) can best support the Iranian people getting in charge of their own destiny without that bloodbath. cheers horseback "Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944 |
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At the risk of over-simplifying an unquestionably complicated situation inside Iran, I strongly suspect that the demise of the radical Islamist theocracy, if not immediately imminent, is now guaranteed. They have irretrievably lost the support of the urban populace as well as the young and educated class from whom must come the future leaders of Iran.
BLUTARSKI |
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Although not Bushes, this is actually the USA's and GBR's fault. A little ironic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1...ranian_coup_d%27etat "Jacob G. Hornberger, founder and president, of The Future of Freedom Foundation, said, "U.S. officials, not surprisingly, considered the operation one of their greatest foreign policy successes — until, that is, the enormous convulsion that rocked Iranian society with the violent ouster of the Shah and the installation of a virulently anti-American Islamic regime in 1979".[75] According to him, "the coup, in essence, paved the way for the rise to power of the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini and all the rest that's happened right up to 9/11 and beyond".[75]" Gutted.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oghc8k8mlY ------------------------------------------------------------ "Of all lovers perhaps none is more unrequited than a liberal humanist. History makes fun of him. Misanthropes deride him." - Harper Magazine |
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..... Google this - Iran and the Shah: what really happened - for an interesting allegation that the US actually intervened more than once in Iranian internal politics. BLUTARSKI |
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I will hold judgement until the facts are in.
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To be honest the US and Russia (er I mean U.S.S.R.) meddled with everyone of strategic significance during the cold war, we BOTH are to blame.
I don't expect miracles but if we all lay off Iran they may at least become part of the world again through their own will. If Iran replaces the morons at the top with thinkers at least they can get into the diplomatic game and play on the same board as everyone else. Even with the best case scenario it won't be a slam dunk, but at least Iran may play ball. -------------- HARDWARE -------------- Mobo: XFX N780-ISH9 - CPU: 2.9ghz Core2Duo 7500 - VIDEO CARD: nVidia 9800GT/512 - RAM: 4 GB DDR2 6400 - HOTAS: Thrustmaster COUGAR - PEDALS: CH Pro Pedals USB - OTHER INPUT: Track IR4 - OS: Vista Home Premium |
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What exactly are we blaming everyone for? The students are dying over fair elections, not necessarily freedom. Good for them, they will die for a noble cause. Just like Les Miserables as Worf mentioned, what a fantastic book, a scene that will play over and over and over and over again, every time any government gets too powerful and the young get fantastic ideas. Way to go Iranian students, too bad some people turn a blind eye to it, or poo poo it as hopeless cause.
When the media is effectively gone, the real killing will begin. |
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Moussavi supposedly was behind the 1982 bombing of US Marines in Lebanon that killed over 200 soldiers.
He wouldn't be a big change from Ahmedinejad, mostly symbolic, but the people as a whole are clearly hacked off at their government. This unrest has been around for a while but it took the election to bring it to the surface. Most Iranians are under the age of 30 and don't remember the 1979 revolution and like Blutarski says these kids clearly don't support the government much. If the regime doesn't change soon then these protests are going to happen over and over again. I think it's promising that so many people are protesting, and on their own without outside encouragement, but I don't want to see a civil war. But I don't know what it will take for the ruling class in Iran to make any changes. ----------------- Farewell to freedom in the Adriatic and to the days of wild abandon. Check out my BRAND NEW campaign, "The Pirate Menace" Also check out my old Air Pirates campaigns! Air Pirates Part One Air Pirates Part Two |
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