Arizona man runs over daughter..

People are crazy.

This is why I want to move to Antartica with my wife and kids. (When I get some)

http://www.nationalpost.com/ne...tory.html?id=1820323

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Originally posted by Bearcat99:


Arizona man runs over daughter..

Im sorry but if you don't want to have any connection with western life styles then don't move to the west.
By all means remember your heritage and culture but embrace culture of the country you have moved to.

I wonder why this didn't make the news here. Maybe at 6.

I'm with Jolly, if ya do not like this culture, do not move here.

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Originally posted by VF-17_Jolly:

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Originally posted by Bearcat99:

Arizona man runs over daughter..

Im sorry but if you don't want to have any connection with western life styles then don't move to the west.
By all means remember your heritage and culture but embrace culture of the country you have moved to.

Thats a huge Duuhhhh

That is one of my biggest issues with many of the current immigrants to the U.S. While it is true that many are glad they are here.. many want to bring their country here.. and in too many ways we make it so easy. I was dumbfounded a while back to find that a U.S. representative actually was promoting Sharia law here in the U.S. and comparing it to arbitration and nothing could be farther from the truth. The thing that makes it so scary when it comes to Muslim immigrants in particular (and don't get me wrong I am not bashing Islam..) is that [i]because much of who they are is defined by their faith.. many of them are less likely to want to assimilate.. and IMO that becomes a dangerous thing because what do you do when you get a large population that is very different from the indigenous one (Yes.. I know Native Americans were the true indigenous people here.. but for the sake of this discussion I mean simply traditional native born Americans.. )and regardless to what President Obama stated a while back.. this is a nation with Christian principles at it's core when compared to all the other faiths that are out there that are here and have been here over the past 250 years... even if many of the Christians today don't fully act like it in practice..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/ho...imesofhonour_2.shtml

I'm afraid this isn't breaking news over here any more.

THis sort of criminality is of course to be despised, whether it occurs in Arizona or Iraq. There have been a few so-called 'honour killings' in the UK too, and from what I've heard, most muslems here consider that they bring nothing but dishonour, and are contrary to Islam anyway. People of any faith may attempt to use such faith to justify their behaviour, it is hardly unique to Islam.

Having said that though, I think it might be prudent to ask why the man emigrated to the US in the first place. It seems that he arrived in the mid 1990s and I wonder if he originally came seeking political asylum? There is a difference between having to flee your country for political reasons, and choosing volentarily to move to another culture. None of this in any way mitigates what he is alleged to have done, but it perhaps has a bearing on making wider judgements about immigrants, who may have a more considered attitude to their adopted homeland.

Read more about honor killings, they number by the tens of thousands in the world, and are tolerated in many middle eastern countries. One of if not the greatest evil that goes on there. Young girls being killed and stoned by their own family and relatives, for what, falling in love with the wrong person? Dressing wrongly? There was even a video of a 17 year old being stoned to death, I don't remember in which country now. A whole mob throwing concrete chunks the size of a basketball onto her. When I read a bit more in depth about honor killings, I probably got more angry and upset than ever because of something not directly related to me or the country I live in. I don't think the internet ever made me so angry in my life.

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Originally posted by VF-17_Jolly:

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Originally posted by Bearcat99:


Arizona man runs over daughter..

Im sorry but if you don't want to have any connection with western life styles then don't move to the west.
By all means remember your heritage and culture but embrace culture of the country you have moved to.

Very well said. When I read this, I was trying to figure out what could have possessed his to do this, I mean your own flesh and blood.
Don't get me wrong, there are times where I just envision choking the life out of my unruly kids at times. Is this normal?
But killing them or even maiming them is something that I cannot comprehend.

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Originally posted by Choctaw111:

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Originally posted by VF-17_Jolly:

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Originally posted by Bearcat99:


Arizona man runs over daughter..

Im sorry but if you don't want to have any connection with western life styles then don't move to the west.
By all means remember your heritage and culture but embrace culture of the country you have moved to.

Very well said. When I read this, I was trying to figure out what could have possessed his to do this, I mean your own flesh and blood.
Don't get me wrong, there are times where I just envision choking the life out of my unruly kids at times. Is this normal?
But killing them or even maiming them is something that I cannot comprehend.

It's a mentality thing, to him his daughter tainted and dishonored him and his whole family, and apparently "honor" is infinitely more important than love from where he comes from. And apparently brutally killing defenseless young girls is not a dishonorable thing. I'm very fond of middle eastern culture and ways of life, sans religion, but things like this there is no excuse for. I could round up each and every of the hundreds of thousands of people who believe in these honor killings and support them, put them on a conveyor belt, and push a button driving them all off into an incinerator. And then they say it's their "culture". It has nothing to do with culture, it's barbarism which belongs 2000 years ago, not now.

Seriously this is why I don't "celebrate diversity", I celebrate universal human rights.

It is not just Islam/Moslems that 'honor kill'. It happens in India quite a lot as well as 'dowry' killing.

http://news.nationalgeographic...12_honorkilling.html

My wife and I sometimes stay at a small motel when we are in that particular area here in California, and we were talking with the owners who are from India. The husband and wife are probably in their thirties, and said that they broke off all contact with their families once they made it to the States. The reason for this is because he was of a higher caste than she was, and when their families found out they were married, both families unsucessfully attempted to kill them. I never found out how they managed to get to the U.S., but they look like they managed pretty good for themselves by working their @sses off to get what they have, and seem to have fit in very well.

To echo some of the sentiments of the other posters, I think maybe that in addition to being religious custom, it is also societal and tribal custom that goes back perhaps thousands of years as well.

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Originally posted by ROXunreal:

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Originally posted by Choctaw111:

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Originally posted by VF-17_Jolly:

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Originally posted by Bearcat99:


Arizona man runs over daughter..

Im sorry but if you don't want to have any connection with western life styles then don't move to the west.
By all means remember your heritage and culture but embrace culture of the country you have moved to.

Very well said. When I read this, I was trying to figure out what could have possessed his to do this, I mean your own flesh and blood.
Don't get me wrong, there are times where I just envision choking the life out of my unruly kids at times. Is this normal?
But killing them or even maiming them is something that I cannot comprehend.

It's a mentality thing, to him his daughter tainted and dishonored him and his whole family, and apparently "honor" is infinitely more important than love from where he comes from. And apparently brutally killing defenseless young girls is not a dishonorable thing. I'm very fond of middle eastern culture and ways of life, sans religion, but things like this there is no excuse for. I could round up each and every of the hundreds of thousands of people who believe in these honor killings and support them, put them on a conveyor belt, and push a button driving them all off into an incinerator. And then they say it's their "culture". It has nothing to do with culture, it's barbarism which belongs 2000 years ago, not now.

Seriously this is why I don't "celebrate diversity", I celebrate universal human rights.

I guess I can understand this about cultures in other countries, and it may be OK there, but once you immigrate to the US, the US laws take precedent over the laws from your former country. You can still honor your heritage and live lawfully in the United States.

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Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
People are crazy.

This is why I want to move to Antartica with my wife and kids. (When I get some)

Don't hold your breath. By the time you make it, they will probably find large oil deposit beneath your ice.