actually thought you think you are not moving the eye your moving it or otherwisse your sight would go dark as mine, and afterwards if you keep an amazing clarity by which you can even see your hands auras(i dont think is the afterimage but a really electromagnetic aura)

In the current consensus, fixational eye movement contributes to maintaining visibility, by continuously stimulating neurons in the early visual areas of the brain, which mostly respond to transient stimuli. In the absence of retinal jitter, (a laboratory condition called retinal stabilization), Stabilized Images as a visual percept rapidly fade out and completely disappear (provided the stabilization is good enough) (Pritchard, Heron & Hebb, 1960; Coppola & Purves, 1996).

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixational_eye_movement

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One of the practical benefits for me is that if my hands and feet are cold for example, I can warm them up by focusing the energy through my body and arms and out past my hands and feet.

once in a cold night i was outside the bar where there were two jogs in tshirts while i was freezing

i concentrated on stealing heat from them, suddenly i was almost sweating and they went inside trembling

i thought it was funny but i wont try it again, see it kind of unethical

Yep..that is an effective method....I tried that with my hind end...and got a load of "Pelosi" in my drawers...thought it was funny but I won't try it again, see it kind of unethical

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Originally posted by Pudfark:
Yep..that is an effective method....I tried that with my hind end...and got a load of "Pelosi" in my drawers...thought it was funny but I won't try it again, see it kind of unethical

You have a similar writing style, if I recall correctly to a former forumite named Odin.

That's not you is it?

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Originally posted by Messaschnitzel:

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Originally posted by Pudfark:
Yep..that is an effective method....I tried that with my hind end...and got a load of "Pelosi" in my drawers...thought it was funny but I won't try it again, see it kind of unethical

You have a similar writing style, if I recall correctly to a former forumite named Odin.

That's not you is it?

Perish the thought.

I have problems aktually thinking of something for more than 10 seconds before my mind goes blank again.

its curious i tried to make my mind go blank again by not micromoving the eye and i couldnt

i just was able when i was really bored in class ill try the next day

maybe if you dont micromove the eye at x seconds you see things as they really are

at ten seconds my sight goes dark but at second eleven i have a new different perception, at second 14 i see auras, maybe afterimages, at sec 15 i look at the auras and moving the eye the perception is gone

you can't willingly stop the microsaccadic jitter. the stabilisation of the eye, which is described in the article, is done by either mechanical fixation (painful and unstable) or small cameras (so the image is fixed, not the eye).

you have a strange habit of reading only half of the wisdom, and then try to check it on your self-assumed exceptionality, raaaid.
the only interesting thing which one can conclude from your reports is the amazing capability of a stunningly easy self-convinving mechanism, you have.

so, to your 'fading' visuals... it might be, that you fall asleep just to fast? if not, are you sure, you can't reach the light-switch? the worst possibility would be, that you suffer a low blood-pressure, and the strain of effortless fixation lets you faint.

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Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
I can't stop thinking for a milisecond. My brain is alsways thinking aeroplanes, girls, school, you guys, me, food, bedtime, upcoming appointments, IL2, MiG-9's, Money, Math, my dogs, time, computers, girls, space and much more.

So, someone your age is thinking about all of those things, and only mentioned girls twice?



You should have put girls every other word. I remember being 13, man.

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Originally posted by Choctaw111:

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Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
I can't stop thinking for a milisecond. My brain is alsways thinking aeroplanes, girls, school, you guys, me, food, bedtime, upcoming appointments, IL2, MiG-9's, Money, Math, my dogs, time, computers, girls, space and much more.

So, someone your age is thinking about all of those things, and only mentioned girls twice?



You should have put girls every other word. I remember being 13, man.

I think it would be even more than every other word choctaw.

I cant get my eyes to stop with the micromovements. I notice they are always at least trying to move, thus making it impossible to stop thinking. I have tried yoga before and I get into a feeling similar to what you mention. (except for the auras. thats a no go)

the other problem with 'thinking' is to find a definition, which we could all agree upon.

should we talk about it's verbal form, in semantically structured thoughts, it can probably be supressed. but not only is this less desirable for those who never spoke and read anything or don't communicate or haven't any chance to meet self-likely organisms, one can also easily simulate this by humming 'hommm' many a times (except the part where breathing is recommended) and still not be able to think how silly this is.
perhaps the way of thinking in pictures or images could be concentrated down also, but here already the question is about identification of the image. to recognise something surely requires a mental process.

but is thinking really limited to a conscious level? this might be a problem of definition, but it won't be without exceptions or borderlines.

should we debate on thinking as all the phenomena, which can be measured in the neo-cortex, the part of the brain, which is the most prominent result of our ongoing evolution (and some whales, maybe), then the non-thinking thing is perhaps a one-way-ticket to the land of the mindless. considering, that many actual theories of memory assume a dynamic and non-local synaptic network rather than, for example, capacities on molecular levels, it doesn't seems to be a good idea to stop the potential flux.
besides that it is usually taken as a sign of death - i mean, the lack of brain-activity.
you can ask any zombie in your neighbourhood.

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Originally posted by deepo_HP:

should we debate on thinking as all the phenomena, which can be measured in the neo-cortex, the part of the brain, which is the most prominent result of our ongoing evolution (and some whales, maybe), then the non-thinking thing is perhaps a one-way-ticket to the land of the mindless. considering, that many actual theories of memory assume a dynamic and non-local synaptic network rather than, for example, capacities on molecular levels, it doesn't seems to be a good idea to stop the potential flux.
besides that it is usually taken as a sign of death - i mean, the lack of brain-activity.
you can ask any zombie in your neighbourhood.

I always thought of meditation as a method of putting the thought processes in 'neutral' so to say. Ie, the brain is still running normally, but not allowed to run uncontrolled. As an extreme analogy: a car that is stuck in gear, going a hundred mph, and the steering is broken. Consider for example that there are a lot of folks out there who have problems sleeping because of the worrying thoughts that may flit through their heads unbidden, and consequently cause them to not be able to relax enough to drift off. Meditation can be a potential tool to remedy this, instead of having to rely on drugs to be able to sleep. Another analogy is that the mind can be compartmentalized, and one can sit in an empty room while everything else is going on as usual outside. In other words, dad can get away from the screaming wife and kids for a little while, and get some quality IL2 time in by putting the headphones on and locking the door to the study.

As far as Raaaid is concerned, I'm not sure as to what he is writing about. Perhaps he is alluding to the metaphysical 'third eye' pineal gland stuff that is similar to what is written by H.P. Lovecraft, such as his short story 'From Beyond'?

I understand what Raaaid is talking about.

One of my favorite things to do is to put on some psychedelic music and meditate for a while. Let the music fill up my ears, kind of like when you're sitting quietly late at night. The silence is truly deafening.

thinking ... about 3 seconds

posting ... 1-2 years

RBJ lives!