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Like it or not you will, so measure up the costs. |
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I wouldn't put it past the conservatives to see to that. But yes, blah blah blah alcohol costs us far more than weed. Are you suggesting we ban booze? Fat lot of hilarious goodness that will do. ------------------------------------------------------------ "Of all lovers perhaps none is more unrequited than a liberal humanist. History makes fun of him. Misanthropes deride him." - Harper Magazine |
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Sorry but I prefer to get my information from scientists and independent organizations who have actually done research, rather than from school pseudo-psychiatrists.
And people who smoke weed and go on with their daily lives just as normally as everyone else do. Again, if someone starts smoking cannabis and then starts shooting up heroin later, that doesn't make cannabis dangerous, that only makes him an idiot. It's like saying bicycles are dangerous because someone who rode one later bought a motorcycle and crashed into a wall. It has nothing to do with logic and common sense. |
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Sorry to be a smartass but that's kind of the way it was for me.  ------------------------------------------------------------ "Of all lovers perhaps none is more unrequited than a liberal humanist. History makes fun of him. Misanthropes deride him." - Harper Magazine |
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having buried teenage OD victims , who one & all started on marijuana is invalidated because it doesnt support pro-drug lies & this is how self-justifyers work
the need for transportation , the want to get stoned 2 totally different things just because your riding or driving is no certanty of crashing . puffing on weed will get you stoned , no surprise circumstances required because it costs money to punish offenders , is no reason to legalise - give up the weed . your entire life will thank you for it |
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And the other 95% of people who started and remained smoking marijuana without doing hard drugs are invalidated because of the 5% who chose to move on to harder drugs and ruin their lives. Typical selective, emotional anti-drug approach with no regard for the bigger picture. Someone injecting heroin after weed use does not mean that weed leads to heroin. Like saying that sex makes you a smoking addict because some people light up after they're done. And guess what, the biggest reason people who do continue to harder drugs do so is because they have contact with dealers who persuade them into trying something harder, a problem that would be eliminated if weed was legally sold in special shops.
But there is a certainty that cannabis smokers will ruin their lives? Please, as someone mentioned already, how many people smoked pot in the 60's? Are they all ruined or dead now? No, they are presidents of the United States, Governors of California, and Olympics athletes. And you're deliberately missing the point, mr. demagogy, which is: if person A does weed and then goes on to heroin, and persons B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, and L smoke weed without going into harder drugs, that doesn't make weed a gateway drug. That just makes person A an idiot. Everything else is propaganda.
No, but because it funds crime syndicates, is counterproductive and causes many times as more deaths as the drugs them selves, it is.
As much as I appreciate it, I don't need someone who obviously knows nothing about drugs telling me how to "save my life" from them. Especially drugs that are less unhealthy than getting drunk for the weekend. |
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The war on drugs was lost a long time ago. But we still pour billions into it to try and stop some freak all wigged out on heroin from hurting themselves or others. Yet we do nothing to stop it at its source.
I say legalize marijuana. Tax it like they do everything else stamp it like they do alcohol sell it in a licensed establishment and enforce operating while impaired laws for it. All the other drugs should be eliminated at there source. And no I'm not a pothead. "If winning isnt everything why do they keep score" Vince Lombardi |
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yeah , because if i did "know" , i would think weed is ok get off it dude , disagreeing with you has nothing to do with inexperience & everything to do with what weed is like |
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HAHAH nice to see politicians getting intellectually rogered by scientists. Not that it takes much.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8336884.stm ------------------------------------------------------------ "Of all lovers perhaps none is more unrequited than a liberal humanist. History makes fun of him. Misanthropes deride him." - Harper Magazine |
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If cigarettes and alcohol was invented today it would be banned.
Its politics.If the government was serious about protecting us from ourselves tobacco (proven serious health issues) and alcohol (the same proven health issues,and the violence that goes with it)would be banned. People who smoke and drink and just as much druggies as someone smoking a weed or popping pills. |
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I too thought that canabis was relatively harmless until two unrelated young males who were sons of friends ended schizoid and addled brained.
My brother inlaw also smoked it and believe me he's no Einstein either.  I look at it as further proof of natural selection: Drugs get rid of the idiots thereby strengthening the gene pool. . LStarosta: -That was the most entertaining thing I've read all day, granted I just woke up. Ernst_Rohr: - Since everyone whines equally, I think Oleg must have gotten it pretty close to right. Remember, all your equipment including your weapon was made by the lowest bidder. http://wte-anga.com http://www.uploadit.org/gallery/12741 http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG  Join us or oppose us, either way MAKE MY DAY http://wte-anga.com |
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Chicken and egg debate now. Quite often people are schizoid etc before they start using drugs, one of the reasons for drug abuse in some cases is mental illness. It could be that smoking dope served to highlight a pre-existing but relatively latent/benign condition perhaps? ------------------------------------------------------------ "Of all lovers perhaps none is more unrequited than a liberal humanist. History makes fun of him. Misanthropes deride him." - Harper Magazine |
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I concur - adding that the loss in tax revenue is surely a major reason why an outright ban will never happen. I must have paid for a hospital wing by now, so don't nobody lay any 'burden on the NHS' jive on me.  "I was working on this skin for a week, and you post a picture of a damn turd right in my thread!" |
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It has everything to do with your lack of any real arguments at all, which is why I get one sentence replies to elaborate posts where you just repeat scientifically disproved myths over and over like I'm listening to a DARE scare program. And then in lack of arguments you resort to ad hominem attacks in the form of "You take drugs, so anything you say is therefore invalid no matter what your arguments are, because you take drugs". A very pathetic way to avoid being disproved time and again, but only shows that you are not only unfit for a drug debate, but for a debate itself. Last response to you, as it's not worth my time to talk to a broken record, and a bad one at it.
Bingo  People will blame all the problems a person have on any and all drug use they have done, however minor. As if, someone smokes weed and does bad at college, it's not because the person is lazy, but because they smoke weed. Don't worry about my personal friend who smokes way too much for my taste yet is still better in college than me. And for the record, I'm not saying over excessive cannabis smoking is harmless, it's not. Neither is over excessive anything. Drinking a beer every night presents no real health risk, but drinking half a bottle of scotch every night does. Same with a joint every few days, as opposed to a few joints every day. I feel silly that I even have to point out something so obvious, but it seems it's necessary due to some responses in this thread. |
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It is sad to see someone slowly deteriorate over an addiction. you can throw weed under the bus, but the real issues with addiction are the users themselves. I think this is largely dependent on the users mental condition or lifestyle and less to do with the substance in the case of weed or alcohol.
There is medical science that indicates that some people have addictive or compulsive personalities. So when it comes to drugs, or any vice, it is like spinning a wheel. It could be sex, weed, alcohol, food, shopping, body image....It goes on and on. There are people who are more prone to addiction than others. I also think people confuse addiction with habit. Some people like to crack open a beer when they get home from work, and because they do it every other day, does not mean they are addicted to drinking beer after work. An addiction, whether physical or psychological, is something you do because you crave it, either mentally or physically. Real extreme cases as well as the substances involved become very physical, so much that they can also induce psychosis and other neurological problems. As for weed being a gateway drug, there is an equally or even stronger argument that alcohol is the real gateway drug. It also depends on the users. Also, personality type can play a big part in which drugs you gravitate toward. This is probably an oversimplification, but generally you won't find pot users socializing with cocaine users. However, you will find that both groups using alcohol. I think that another reason weed is classified as a gateway drug is because its easier to get, and for minors it might even be easier to get than liquor. Then the person purchasing weed now has a relationship with the person who could also introduce them to harder drugs. I just don't see people smoking weed, and then saying "yeah, that was fun, now i want to smoke crack...who else is in?" There are more complexities involved and drawing the conclusion that weed is addictive or a gateway could be easily made, but i think that in reality we just don't have that many addictive personalities walking around. Its usually about 1 in 10, which to me, seems to be enough to at least educate people on the potential problems, which is where the money should be spent, rather than jailing criminals. |
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