If you can handle it, then watch this film.

The Great Global Warming Swindle

Hmmm... Interesting.

Something else to blame Mrs. Thatcher for.

I don't know what to believe anymore.

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Originally posted by Falcke:
I don't know what to believe anymore.

And that is precisely the point! Throw enough disinformation at anything no matter how much evidence is out there and people will not know the truth from the lie.

Mankind doesn`t know what`s doing anyway. Next they`ll be another docu saying it`s all the Aliens fault.

There is no spoon.

now that the gw crowd has a large number of people convinced that gw is true, they want to shutdown all debate by repeating the mantra the "science is done", and call all dissenting opinions "disinformation".


note: in all my years of reading about science ive never heard the phrase "the science is done" before.

what monumental conceit on the part of the gw fanatics to think that science is ever done. theres always more to learn, especially before you start wrecking economies.



i wouldnt be suprise to learn that the gw crowd have studied joesph goebels and the tactics of "the big lie".

The 'truth' lies in the data not Mr Gore's film or that fellas. It also doesn't lie on an internet forum.
You want the 'truth' get googling for data and beware the source.
The climate is complex and facinating quite apart from the political implications.
What I've seen leads me more towards the so called gw crowd than away but that's just my conclusion.

Here are the facts.

1. All the hysteria is over a rise in average temperature of less than 1 degree over a period of decades. Chart

2. The average temperature has been warmer than it is now for the great majority of the last several thousand years. Chart

3. Rising average temperatures precede rising CO2 levels, meaning the temperature increases cause rising CO2 levels, not the other way around. Chart

4. There is a direct correlation between solar activity, cosmic rays, and temperature. Chart 1 Chart 2 Chart 3 Chart 4

What is so hard to understand?

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Originally posted by idonno:
Here are the facts.

1. All the hysteria is over a rise in average temperature of less than 1 degree over a period of decades. Chart

2. The average temperature has been warmer than it is now for the great majority of the last several thousand years. Chart

3. Rising average temperatures precede rising CO2 levels, meaning the temperature increases cause rising CO2 levels, not the other way around. Chart

4. There is a direct correlation between solar activity, cosmic rays, and temperature. Chart 1 Chart 2 Chart 3 Chart 4

What is so hard to understand?

Lol, if predicting climate change were that easy they would be able to tell me if it's going to rain this afternoon, but we all know that the weather report is BS.

The whole topic is getting rather annoying. Everyone, regardless of which side they are on, are trying to polarize everyone else. Although I don't believe man is causing global warming, I have to say this video was 'Joe-sidewalk' material and very easy to pick apart. It's nothing more than all the rest of the propaganda.

People have to start using their heads. You don't need any silly propaganda videos to know if you are creating too much pollution. Being conservative with energies and waste doesn't mean you are in the 'GW crowd'. It simply means you are a responsible human being.

Global Warming and Anti-Global Warming are the two new religions.

I'm still an unpolarized Pagan.

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I'm still an unpolarized Pagan.

Yep, trying to keep an open mind here too...

But, it is difficult. Me thinks Earth is far too complex for mankind to understand, and to draw any real conclusion...

One thing bothers me: It Shirley cannot be a good thing for mankind to burn all those fossile fuels Earth has been gathering/creating for many millions of years, in just a few centuries...

It's all about Balance, and one tends to think we're just tipping it...

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Originally posted by idonno:
Here are the facts.

1. All the hysteria is over a rise in average temperature of less than 1 degree over a period of decades. Chart

2. The average temperature has been warmer than it is now for the great majority of the last several thousand years. Chart

3. Rising average temperatures precede rising CO2 levels, meaning the temperature increases cause rising CO2 levels, not the other way around. Chart

4. There is a direct correlation between solar activity, cosmic rays, and temperature. Chart 1 Chart 2 Chart 3 Chart 4

What is so hard to understand?

1) 1 degree rise in Sea temperatures = you and me ****ed

2) Wrong, firstly that charts dodgey. All though temperatures were warmer this is only part of the truth. The rest of the truth is that the variation of 1.1 degrees since the hotest period took a lot longer to develop and a lot longer to cool down. What is significat is that we're on course to attain the same temperature in a much much shorter time.

Nasa on the subject

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20060925/

3) Those Icecores have been correlated with other geological data samples showing that something else caused the initial warming, which had the effect of increasing Co2 levels which in turn increased temperature even more. A runaway effect

4) Thats bull**** hahah, they've just shown that to be completely and utterly wrong.

Seriously. Keep up with mainstream science instead of fringe idiots. Even septics in the mainstream arnt arguing from these points. I cant be bothered to go and dig up all the various publications and counter arguments. Do it for yourself and do some research before saying "look prooofs" to anything you find vaguely backs up your point of view.

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Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
It's all about Balance, and one tends to think we're just tipping it...

Well, for example, in the vid they say that humans only contribute "single digits" CO2 percentage wise. But they went no further.

First off, what percentage? 9 percent? 1 percent?

Since we have been producing CO2 only in the last 200 years, even 1 percent is a scary thought to such a system as a biosphere.

Then we have to ask "Ok, what are the effects of a 1 percent increase in CO2 on the temperature?". What are the effects of a 9 percent increase?

How sure would they be since the scientists said that the way the climate works is a theory, although a good one? After he said this, the narrator went on to say "This is how it works." and explained how the climate works as though it were definitive.

This is what I mean, both sides are nothing more than propaganda.

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Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:

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Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
It's all about Balance, and one tends to think we're just tipping it...

Well, for example, in the vid they say that humans only contribute "single digits" CO2 percentage wise. But they went no further.

First off, what percentage? 9 percent? 1 percent?

Since we have been producing CO2 only in the last 200 years, even 1 percent is a scary thought to such a system as a biosphere.

Then we have to ask "Ok, what are the effects of a 1 percent increase in CO2 on the temperature?". What are the effects of a 9 percent increase?

How sure would they be since the scientists said that the way the climate works is a theory, although a good one? After he said this, the narrator went on to say "This is how it works." and explained how the climate works as though it were definitive.

This is what I mean, both sides are nothing more than propaganda.

Just take note on what people like NASA and various meteorlogical institutions have to say. Reports from Havard, Stanford, Oxford etc all tend to be good and well balanced as well.