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Then combine all the above with new labours bullsh!t softly softly approach to policing and convicting people. People behave like chavscum not only because of a loss of social responsibilty but mainly because they know they can get away with it with no more than a telling off/slapped wrist.
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Tell that to a whole generation that lost out under Thatchers economic and social policies Toten Waffe and see how far you get.
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Well we know that there was a die-hard crowd for thatcher as well as a die-hard crowd against.
I`m surprised more people haven`t posted up to say how wonderful she was and how she kicked Britain into a wondeful hard-reality world of the haves and the have nots who should not have.  "He will conquer who has learned the art of deviation." Sun Tzu. |
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 Yeah, I was thinking that myself.Personally, I did well out of the 80's, but I hate what that woman did to this country. I do believe the blame for many of the social ills Britain is going through today can be laid at her door. "There is no such thing as society."  WTF woman?
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Whats your point steiner? My post was in additon to Aimails previous post which just happens to on the previous page (if you read it?) Its just my oppinion that people behave like @rseholes in this country because they can get away with it. There is no incentive for a lot of scrotes to obey the law if nobody is going to enforce it properly. To put the blame on the degeneration of peoples behaviour (particularly of youths) purely at the feet of thatcherism is bollox. "We don't want to fight but by Jingo if we do, We've got the ships, we've got the men, we've got the money too......" |
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Try as hard as I may, I can't think of a good word to say about M Thatcher. People complain about NuLabour, but they haven't experienced the downside of 16% interest rates, or lost their houses and their livelihoods entirely because of the policies of the Tory government as led by the grocer's daughter from Grantham. The huge tax cuts made by the Tories were useful in the short-term for heating up the economy, but led in the long haul to the deficiencies that we experience in Public services like the Police Force and the National Health Service.
Even at the end she blamed everyone else for her demise and will probably die believing that. The sooner the better for me. B |
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Well, I'll stick up for. At least she had some back bone. I also reckon she did right by beating down the unions and making Britain wake up. We were going nowhere fast.
Please, nobody mention the 'miners' What exactly was wrong with the principle of poll tax? All I seem to recall are my parents thinking it was a sound idea but then saw a bunch of scruffy smelly people who wanted to start a knock, and would have anyway, regardless of any new legislation. I actually decided to join the police force at around this time, society should not be allowed to act int his unreasonable way. You might not agree but what has burning cars/smashing windows got to do with anything. She was treated appallingly by her party and to then lay blame for our current position, after 11 years of snivelling tax grabbing tree hugging far left policies just defies logic. |
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You seriously think equal tax per head is a good idea? A taxation system that hasnt been used since the 14th Century for good reasons.
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In principle, yes I do. If I earn as much as my neighbour, but he has more people living in his house who take more than me, how is that wrong?
Just because some lazy so & so decides to sit on their backside whilst I work, why shouldn't they pay? Ever heard the saying " I have to work, millions of unemployed depend on me". From my limited understanding, local authority's who set the poll tax went rather mad and decided to charge far more than they should have. They then blamed central govt for the increase. It was by no means perfect, but I still maintain the principle was correct. |
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Well its not bollox in the slightest,whats my point?,shes responislble for a lot of hardship because of her polices and decesions SHE made,Under her, the nationalised utilities (that we, the people owned, and our fathers and grand-fathers paid for via taxes) were sold to the rich to make them richer. Under her, the coal mining industry was virtually destroyed destroying whole towns and villages in the north and in Wales. Under her, laws were changed to stop Unions doing what they were designed for. Under her, just about all the council housing was sold off. You may not like things now, but they were a lot worse under the Conservatives. Unless you happened to be a filthy rich toff, of course, in which case you got even richer. Under her, inflation was massive and house repossessions were at their highest they had ever been,and your trying to tell me that wouldn't have an effect on people growing(not chavscum as you so elegantly called them) up,well thats bollox IMO. |
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Ever heard the saying "Those policies depend on millions of unemployed to work" ?
Does your understanding take into consideration that besides taking no account of an individual's ability to pay, the poll tax was so named because it actually taxed the said individual's right to vote? And no, let's not mention the 'miners', just like we won't mention the wounded Falklands veterans who were swept out of sight during Thatcher's infamous victory parade. A parade to which, you might need to be reminded, the Queen - that's the head of the armed forces btw - was not invited, leaving Thatcher sat on a throne taking the salute in a sickenly manipulated media extravaganza.  |
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Oh my god,im home!
 I have promised myself a party for nearly 30 years for when she kicks the bucket. A vindictive small minded blinkered hag who did more damage than her talents allowed.  |
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Hi all,
If she was as bad as most of you say, why was she repeatedly elected as Prime Minister between 1979 and 1990 by democratic vote? Are you saying that democracy failed in this period? She perhaps got some things wrong and some right. But to blame her for all of societies ills today may be considered as bar-room bias  And if she was so bad, why is she respected internationally? I think that her personality did not 'gel' with everyone as she appeared to represent a past generation of people and their attitudes. This is one of her quotes: The Russians are bent on world dominance, and they are rapidly acquiring the means to become the most powerful imperial nation the world has seen. The men in the Soviet Politburo do not have to worry about the ebb and flow of public opinion. They put guns before butter, while we put just about everything before guns. She didn't mince her words unlike today's New Labour. Is that a good thing? Best Regards, Dennis Thatcher. |
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I undertsand the term 'Poll Tax' but I fail to see how it's taxing someones right to vote.
Regards the Falklands vets, I agree with you,BUT,most of us think Churchill was a great leader, so where were the Poles for the victory parade end of WW2? What I am saying is that she is being vilified by people jumping onto a fast gathering band waggon. Our National services were a disgrace, agreed not much better now,, but they are better. Our car industry was the laughing stock of the world at the time, I'm just surprised no one is blaming her for the fact UK no longer has a cra industry of it's own. She stood up and was counted, yes, she got things wrong but she never shirked a decision, unlike this cowardly shower who cannot decide on anything other than their John Lewis list. I have no personal knowledge of any miners, I can only speak from experiences of working with older police officers who were on the 'miners strike'. Their opinions of the miners are best left unsaid I feel. |
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