matter has density

in the lhc they are creating ultradense matter

how you do this?:

you take whatever amount of matter and with energy shrink it to concentrate it till you make it ultradense whatever in the form of enery or matter after all is the same

in fact what happened in the lhc is that they compressed matter infinitally

but oh relaitivity if you have alice and bob of the same size and decrease the size of bob are you sure you havent instead increase the size of alice?

and how many times have you seen in science fiction how the voice of shrinked people becomes more acute?

yes if you shrink someone his times passes by at different speed

for us squirrels go at fast motion for them we go at slow motion

in other words:

we have had- will have shrink matter infinitally therefore we have increased our relative size infinitally when infinity is reached time speed becomes ZERO

yes gentelmen we are hours maybe seconds from freezing in time for our aberration of trying to obliterate call it matter energy or info in the lhc to see what happens, universe laws forbid that and as such has frozen time or did we?

but well youll say ill see this thread tomorrow

yes you think tomorrow but actually theres no more tomorrows in any case yesterdays and a year ago

yes our mother earth the most advance being in this system even more than the sun let that second we have left before the aberration of obliterating info is done pass by and travels back in time 1 year and a second when that second goes by it travles back two years and a second and so on

i wonder what the scientific comunity makes up to cover the reverse and speed up of precesion

You cant compress something infinatly. Time wouldn't change just by being smaller. Time is time. Unless you mean because smaller animals normally dont live as long, on average. This makes no sense at all raaaid. Sorry.

if an electron orbits at light speed and makes one revolution in one second if you double the size of the electron orbit it being limited by c it will take 2 seconds for a revolution

any atomic clock will consider in this case time goes half as fast

you may not compress matter infinitally but you can in its other shape of energy, theres no limit of energy on a single spot see big bang

in fact the lhc was compared to a big bang because it was a question of compressing energy as much as posible

energy may not be compressed infinitally but if it may its equivalent to its obliteration and relativistically to increse the size of the universe so big that c becomes a ridiculuos slow speed, if the size of the universe is infinite the relative speed of c is 0

It makes some sense, but i haven't pondered the compression of matter enough to know or think about how it might effect "ones perception of time"....not time itself.

For example, a fly is able to see things at much faster speeds than what a human being can detect. What the human perceives as 10 seconds could in turn be perceived as 30 seconds by the fly. you follow? even though the same amount of time has past.
This makes swatting flies difficult because their eyes detected movement at much more rapid speeds. Whether they actually see it as slow motion is unknown, only that their brain and optical scans are much more rapid than humans.

I also wondered about the perception of time, and travel (not time travel, but from point A to point B).

If i am able to travel and perceive events three times as fast as "normal", then everything around me would appear to be three times slower.
I just wonder what laws of physics come into play because i'd still be the same amount of matter traveling three times as fast. make sense?
I'd be seeing every thing three times as slow, but i'm moving with three times the energy. Would sudden changes in direction cause problems?
And would it also require three times as much strength to move so that i could perceive myself moving at "normal" speed while everything else around me remains three times slower?
Is it physically possible for you to wave your hand three times faster? Could your body keep up with your perception?


Not too long ago there was a post of those slow motion bullet impacts. The preception is that the bullet is traveling slow, but look what happens when it hits a metal plate. Like a fly on a windshield.

I used to see those old sci fi films with giant spiders in them, and my father was quick to explain that such spiders would actually crumble under their own weight because physically they would weigh much more than what their smaller physical constructs were capable of. It is akin to an ant lifting three times its own weight. That's not much if you weigh as much as a grain of sand. If the ant weighed as much as a car, crunch!! I've never seen a car hold up under three times its own weight.

I dont have a degree in this stuff, i'm just thinking out loud.


Bill

degrees are to make people dumb, trust me i alsmost have two

sometimes i dream i have superpowers and i can change my relative time so i become something similar to flash the fast superhero

i hear people talking at ultra slow motion and i try not to talk to dont make people laugh with my acute voice

oh as i become ultrafast i become ultradense as well, something like a bullet hitting a wall

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Originally posted by raaaid:
but oh relaitivity if you have alice and bob of the same size and decrease the size of bob are you sure you havent instead increase the size of alice?

It's easy, just look at the surroundings and compare the relative sizes. The relative size change between the subjects (Bob and Alice) and the surroundings AFTER the magic size change will confirm that you performed the correct operation on the correct subject.

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Originally posted by raaaid:
and how many times have you seen in science fiction how the voice of shrinked people becomes more acute?

So science FICTION movies are now a basis for fact and can be used to show how modern physics is all wrong??

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Originally posted by raaaid:
yes if you shrink someone his times passes by at different speed

Please post a reference for the above. My understanding, limited that it is, is that VELOCITY drives mass and time dilation.

FYI, COMPRESSING something does NOT change its mass. If I compress 20 slugs of air, I still have 20 slugs. It's just now in a smaller volume.

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Originally posted by raaaid:
for us squirrels go at fast motion for them we go at slow motion

100% totally and completely incorrect. If you believe the above, show the math. And by "math", I mean real math, not another useless and incorrect thought experiment.

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Originally posted by raaaid:
in other words:

we have had- will have shrink matter infinitally therefore we have increased our relative size infinitally when infinity is reached time speed becomes ZERO

yes gentelmen we are hours maybe seconds from freezing in time for our aberration of trying to obliterate call it matter energy or info in the lhc to see what happens, universe laws forbid that and as such has frozen time or did we?

but well youll say ill see this thread tomorrow

yes you think tomorrow but actually theres no more tomorrows in any case yesterdays and a year ago

yes our mother earth the most advance being in this system even more than the sun let that second we have left before the aberration of obliterating info is done pass by and travels back in time 1 year and a second when that second goes by it travles back two years and a second and so on

Has it been hours yet? When is this going to happen? Do I need to call work and let them know that I might not make it in because time is going to stop? If I'm at work when time stops do I continue to accrue vacation time? Should I note on my time sheet when time stops or will our electronic system take that into account automatically?

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Originally posted by raaaid:
i wonder what the scientific comunity makes up to cover the reverse and speed up of precesion

They have nothing to cover up. All the math works out nicely (with a few inconsistencies that are still being explored). You simply fail to understand it.

Even without knowing the math we know it works b/c a $500 telescope with a GPS can accurately find every celestial body in the sky at any date in time (at least for any date that the telescope will still be operating). If the scientific community was wrong, that would not be possible.



--Outlaw.

Actually, Raaaids not the only one thinking along this line: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...n/article6879293.ece

the worlds smartest physists sure take their time with repairs

crank the thing up already!

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Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
Actually, Raaaids not the only one thinking along this line: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...n/article6879293.ece

http://www.boingboing.net/2009...adron-collide-2.html

The simpler explanation, though, is that we can only observe a non-functional LHC because a functional LHC destroys all observers. Put differently - we live in the parallel universes where chance events break the LHC and we don't live in the parallel universes where they don't. Where they don't, the LHC runs and makes a black hole that doesn't evaporate or strange matter or something else disastrous and we don't live to see those chance events not happening and not braking the LHC.

On the other hand, I wouldn't expect something as massive as that to work the first time and to be completely bug-free. Cosmic rays have higher energies than the LHC can achieve and they haven't produced anything disastrous. The down side is that the LHC might not be disastrous per se, but might lead to new physics that would make world-destroying weapons possible and easy to make, which we will then use to destroy ourselves. Or some new technology that would turn up to have unforeseen side effects, after it is too late (bit like petrol and global warming).
So, it could be that the LHC will keep breaking only until other chance events conspire to make us not use whatever comes out of it. If freak coincidences breaking the LHC keep piling up, then it would be something to look into. If they don't, then it's just a big complicated machine that takes a while to debug.

The fly doesn't compute information faster. It just is smaller, so the nerve impulses don't have to travel as far=> shorter reaction time. Some insects also don't have a totally central nervous system. I think roaches have 3 'brains' to control each pair of legs. This way, if it receives a stimulus, like the motion of air caused by your falling boot, then the nervous impulse only has to travel to the intermediate brain, rather than all the way to the head, and then back to the legs.

LHC physics is pretty friggin' weird if you ask me. It's one of few times that raaaid has said something even remotely plausible. I don't think that size is going to affect time/perception of it except as in the nervous example above. Rather, by compressing an object, are we really just expanding ourselves?

There are also theories proposed by scientists at the LHC that the reason why the machine breaks so often/needs such long repairs is because a particle is going back in time to stop its own discovery!!! Wild stuff eh?

Remember the days when we were told that the universe was expanding, yet would slow due to gravity, then start to shrink and end up as a singularity, and then start another Big Bang?

Well, with the observations of red-shift, it is shown that the universe is actually expanding, and accelerating in its expansion! So, what happens to the universe now? Aha! so now, it's possible that it will continue to expand until every particle is so far apart that it is just a void. Then from a field of probability, a random wave will compress to form a brand new singularity!!! WOW!!

There are also theories that the universe does not exist until we observe it; that the act of observation brings parts of the universe into existence.

So now, my head hurts, and I will go to bed.

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Originally posted by Romanator21:
There are also theories that the universe does not exist until we observe it; that the act of observation brings parts of the universe into existence.

Didn't they already prove this at some mega sub-atomic (it's an industry term) level?

--Outlaw.

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Originally posted by Outlaw---:

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Originally posted by Romanator21:
There are also theories that the universe does not exist until we observe it; that the act of observation brings parts of the universe into existence.

Didn't they already prove this at some mega sub-atomic (it's an industry term) level?

--Outlaw.

Schrödinger's cat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat

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Originally posted by raaaid:
and how many times have you seen in science fiction how the voice of shrinked people becomes more acute?

yes if you shrink someone his times passes by at different speed

Raaaid, that's supposed to be -if ever- just because their larynxes also become smaller. A violin sounds more acute than a cello, and that's because short strings vibrate at a higher frequency than long ones, not because time passes faster for violins, lol.

That's also why children and women have acute voices -after puberty male vocal chords and larynx become larger and wider, giving it a bass/tenor pitch.

Unless you think time passes faster for women. Which is true...

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Originally posted by TS_Sancho:

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Originally posted by Outlaw---:

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Originally posted by Romanator21:
There are also theories that the universe does not exist until we observe it; that the act of observation brings parts of the universe into existence.

Didn't they already prove this at some mega sub-atomic (it's an industry term) level?

--Outlaw.

Schrödinger's cat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat

oh thats older lisa taught this zen to bart:

if a tree falls in the forest what noise does it make?

Heres some food for thought regarding latest LHC conundrum.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sci...by-passing-bird.html