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Why the hell every time I want to get my word and spend 10 minutes composing a post does it get locked??? Well here it is on Taylortony's just locked thread "For what it's worth and If I get locked or Banned so be it, GEORGIA...."
It happened to me once before already. What does individual friendship have to do with political alliances? FWIW my BS filters are on high, no matter what the source, and I'm trying to look at different sources. I'm just sick of the whole thing. I still recall back in the 90s meeting students from the ex-Soviet republics. All of them, now they are in there mid 30s to early 40s. They all got along at the time though. I told you all about the story about a Georgian and a Kazakh in my student res who celebrated the close proximity of the Orthodox Easter and the Muslim Eid festival (?) with vodka, cigs and conversation til 3 AM. Was par for the course for this Georgian fellow, a real nice guy who had Russian friends. Damn warmongers whatever their nationality. Comparisons with Hitler are way off base too, the Russians do not want to exterminate the Georgian nor do I think will they roll into Tblisi. Putin is a dangerous man but more along the lines of a 19th century bully of the type we saw in Africa and Asia. Those who think Saakashvilli is some kind of democrat are mistaken. Even if he was subsequently elected he was initially parachuted in and is thought to be a nice guy just because he is pro-West. Here is a good article I urge you all to read. Georgian Conflict Driven by Fear This message has been edited. Last edited by: steiner562, |
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Personally,and I hope I am wrong,I think the Russians WILL go for Tbilisi.Last I saw the Georgians were pulling back to the capital.
Last stand? |
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Go on then have your Georgia thread,if it ends going the way the first two did,it will be locked,check your pm Joep thanks.
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While I strongly oppose Russian intervention outside the borders of South Ossetia, I must stress that media is utterly biased. I can tell apart Russian language from Georgian one and I can confirm that many clips and photos showing "Georgians being bombed by Russians", are actually clips showing South Ossetians in their capital Tshinvali, being pounded by Georgian rocket artillery. That being said, again, I do not advocate Russian agression on Georgia (especially civil targets) outside of Ossetian borders, which is also undoubtly proved.
Looking at the conflict one has to consider that Georgian artillery on the first night (first day of Olympics) launched artillery strike on Ossetia. Why first day of Olympics? To minimise the attention of world population of course, and thus minimise own "guilt" - media started reporting about this as a first-pager only after Russia interwened. By Russian claims, around 1000 civilians were killed plus 15 Russian peacekeepers, stationed there under a mandat of UN. Considering that most Ossetians have Russian passports, Russian intervention inside Ossetian borders seems completely logical. Basically Sakashvilli attacked minority inside own borders. Problem can very well be compared to Serbian agression on Kosovo, and NATO response in 1999. Milošević similarly attacked a minority inside borders of Serbia, and World community intervened. Story now is almost exactly the same, only that now Russia is interwening, and that the guy who pounded minority inside own country isn't Milosevich or Saddam, but is Sakashvili. Ah, wait, I forgot, he's a good guy, he lets us have our bases there and build our pipelines...   In the current political situation on the Caucasus, all that Russia really needed was an excuse to attack. Sakashvilli in all his greed and hope that big brother USA will immediately help him, served it to Russians on a silver plate. Russians didn't even need to stage any kind of false flag operation, which was to be expected. Before I get torn apart for this, let me stress again: I condemn russian bombardment of Georgia. But Sakashvili is nothing short of Milosevich or Sadam. It's funny to see same people advocating bombing of Serbia in 1999 and now furiously opposing bombing of Georgia. That's how far we came already: people don't matter, it's only interests.
I am afraid so. Russians won't give up until Sakasvili is on the throne. AFAIK they have already put a 5.000.000$ bounty on his head. Plus, they know that if they don't "remove" him, he will, playing the cards of being in danger, for sure push the NATO membership. Nightmare for Russians - NATO on their borders. They'll do anything to prevent it... anything suddenly becomes a scary word. No one in sane mind ever turns when he has any other option. ~ DKoor |
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Things I don't understand.
(1) Why are The Russians so hell bent on Georgia staying out of Nato? (2) Why are The Georgians so hell bent on keeping the Ossestians a part of Georgia? (3) Do The Russians want The Ossestians without Georgia? (4) Does Nato even want Georgia as a Member? (5) Can Georgia Defeat The Russians? (6) Can The Ossestians Defeat The Georgian Forces w/Out Russian Intervention? (7) Is The United States going to get involved? (8) Is it possible this is just one big ruse on the part of The Russians to hide something bigger that may be going on that they don't want us, The United States to see? (9) Why do The Russians want to put Strategic Bombers in Cuba? 10) Will Nato accept Georgia as a member without The Ossestians? |
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Mate... u serious? No one in sane mind ever turns when he has any other option. ~ DKoor |
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Hi all,
I along with the rest of the world have an interest in the situation. But this thread must be objective. Both sides are blaming each other for 'war crimes'. The internet can be manipulated to suit the needs of anyone and everyone. Can we have facts? Or at least opinions based upon facts? No poster here is going to change the situation anyway, so can we sit back and consider before posting? But I suspect that I am being a bit too hopeful... Best Regards, MB_Avro. |
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Is the answer yes? |
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Bewolf Never discuss with stupid people. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. |
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Well,we are not there,all we see is what we get on the news.The last thing Russia wants is for Georgia to join NATO,but I doubt that will happen now anyway,as at the rate they are going there won't be a Georgian army left to contribute to NATO.
I read that the Georgians were the third largest contributor of troops to Iraq after the US and UK.Is that true? Those 2000 odd troops who a few hours ago were fighting alongside US and UK troops in Iraq will probably all be dead in a few hours. The Russians will keep going until they have achieved their objectives,whatever they are (new puppet government in Georgia?) and take absolutely no notice of world opinion.Why should they,as all everyone is doing is talking,while Russia rolls over a Sovereign country with a democratically elected government that maybe,just maybe thought it could ask for help from its allies.It shows us all in a bad light. |
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Steiner I heard the US have already flown them back to Georgia,upsetting the Russians big time in the process.Those guys will probably all be dead soon.Great way to pay back our allies.
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Err... You do know that Russia has largest thermonuclear ****nal on the world to begin with, don't you? Scarry, innit? Anyway, Bewolf summed it up perfectly. Last two answers: 9. As an asymetric answer to a missile shield in Poland/Czech/Lithuania - looks like cold war is waking up. 10. Unpredictable, but probably yes, if Ossetians gain their independence and situation calms down (which I doubt as this contradicts Russian interests). No one in sane mind ever turns when he has any other option. ~ DKoor |
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can someone PM FPSOLKOR, and tell him this thread is open, I want him to continue posting the russian POV and military reports
regards  You need blokes like me to fly Blue side!, BE SURE! Flying Online as: EV401_Waffen-79 |
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Correct me if I am wrong here, but I thought with the collapse of Communist Russia, there came about seperate countries that were within the Russian Borders, as in Georgia for example becoming a seperate state & a country in itself.
If that's true, then what right does Russia have in keeping a seperate country such as Georgia out of Nato? But, then again, I suppose that Bush would do everything in his power to keep Arkansas from joining The Warsaw Pact, wouldn't he? |
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But SOLKOR can't seem to help posting pics of dead bodies,which will just get the thread locked again.
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