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Mugabe is a HERO
he fought colonists & won! , african leaders admire him  |
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neither did vietnam. |
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yeah, we're allowed only one vietnam at a time, and we're already over our limit. |
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This is what happens when you let them read European history.  Dein Christus ein Jude, dein Auto ein Japaner, deine Pizza italienisch, deine Demokratie griechisch, dein Kaffee brasilianisch, deine Urlaub türkisch, deine Zahlen arabisch, deine Schrift lateinisch, und dein Nachbar nur ein Ausländer. |
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@Bearcat: I know perfectly the brilliant and mostly neglected history of African civilizations. I'm sick of listening to ignorant people stating that Sud-saharian people never formed empires or complex civilizations such as those in other parts of the world. It is sad, and frustrating, to see the space dedicated in College books to pre-colonial African history, or the ridiculous fundings of any research in the topic.
But that has nothing to do with the negative comment I did above. It's just that it looks like the thing has no solution at all. Colonial era did an irreparable damage, not only imposing artificial borders and corrupted institutions in Africa, but also making an incomplete and utterly harming and socially disrupting aculturation of all African peoples, cultures and societies. They have inherited a Western baggage of concepts and institutions that has been pressed and imperfectly adapted to people with a completely different cultural and historical background. While this may have had a certain degree of success in Asia, where cultures were more or less suited to it, it has been catastrophic in Africa, and I foresee still a very long future of political and religious fights, ethnic and social wars and improvised economics leading to famines, all made even more severe because of insensitive politics and wicked intervention of non-African powers. I just feel frustrated and bored because it seems like a never-ending-story of struggle for power and humanitarian disaster.  |
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I saw a documentary about the funds the western world gives to the Africans. It's no secret the majority of the money doesn't go where it's needed. There's a lot of corruption. They reported over 50 billion $US missing.
Whether this is some sort of a grand scheme or not, one thing that is sure is that the flow of money is supporting the corruption. This is part of the problem. Africa is no different than what Europe was as far as suffering and corruption goes. The difference is that Europe had no support and had to sort the issues on their own. Maybe Africa could sort itself out if the money flow was cut off. Dein Christus ein Jude, dein Auto ein Japaner, deine Pizza italienisch, deine Demokratie griechisch, dein Kaffee brasilianisch, deine Urlaub türkisch, deine Zahlen arabisch, deine Schrift lateinisch, und dein Nachbar nur ein Ausländer. |
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Point taken... It's just the way you said it..
It just sounds so..... callous.. not bored.. not that there are any easy solutions.. but the government of my country has a knack for often being on the wrong side in it's support. 
Mission4Today - Data / Files * J.O. Virtual Flight School Since change is inevitable it is better to direct that change rather than simply go through it.G.S.H. Barack Obama |
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Yes, I admit it sounded... harsh. But, you know, we had this neighbor, a good guy, a journalist from Equatorial Guinea, who was living as a refugee and owned a bar in Spain, because he had to flee from dictator Teodoro Obiang's regime. His brother had found a job as a woodcutter in Liberia and was living there with all his family.
I was at his bar the moment he learned his elder bro and most of his family had been killed in 2000 during the unending riots and civil wars in that country. Man, if you really want to hear callous comments about African politics, you just have to listen to a desperate, loss-struck African barman. |
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........... Umph.. Sometimes when I see how we behave.. mankind I mean.. It is a wonder the Earth hasn't wiped us out already ... like a virus y'know..
Mission4Today - Data / Files * J.O. Virtual Flight School Since change is inevitable it is better to direct that change rather than simply go through it.G.S.H. Barack Obama |
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welcome to my world, try and ignore that stuff and watch fluffy bunnies + stick your head in the sand ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "You can't blow the smoke from such a majestic stogie in just anyone's face. I'm saving it for the fancy-pantses at Zapp Brannigan's black tie reception." Bender |
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I often feel that when the West says things like `Mugabe this, Mugabe that!" It just makes him worse. Mugabe uses their interference to cry `Colonists butting in!`
Sometimes I think the West simply aren`t helping. I also sometimes wonder if the Western governments know this, but make their foray against Mugabe because a, It`s a nice way to look good and b, It defelects from problems at home. Africans have to sort the Africans out, i`m afraid. |
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Well, I see we've banned their cricket team from touring the U.K. That'll show 'em, eh?
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Not at all :P Seriously, blaming it all on Zimbabwean culture is as wrong as blaming it all on the colonials. I guess I don't have to tell you this is a rather complex matter.
Have you read "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond? If not I'd recommend it. While not light reading, it's certainly an eye-opener. |
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what's the general statement of Jared Diamond? I've often heard of this book, but I don't know what it says really. Maybe I will read it this summer
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Diamond try to give a decent explanation for the really great trends in human history. He's starting out 13.000 years ago, when everyone lived more or less the same life, and explains why some today enjoy wealth, power and technology, and why others still basically live like they did in the stone-age, without invoking basically racist arguments (i.e. "superiority of European culture").
His arguments are that resources like domestic plants and animals need certain qualities that can only be found in a few species ("you may tame a rhino, but even if you survive taming it, it won't confer you any advantages"), and that these species aren't found everywhere. Also, the shape and lay of continents determines how well domesticated plants and animals can spread (easily East-West along climatic zones, only with great difficulty North-South across jungles and deserts). Using a wealth of knowledge from numerous fields few can match, he shows why it was the Europeans who ended up invaded the Americas and not vice versa, and (relevant to this discussion) why Africa is still bogged down a quagmire of problems, despite being the cradle of humanity and having quite a few thousand years head start toward a technological civilization. You can look it up on Wikipedia, it has a fair treatment of the book. |
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