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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7468849.stm
Seriously, why has this been allowed to happen? This message has been edited. Last edited by: b2spirita,  Lies, sanctions, and cruise missiles have never created a free and just society. Only everyday people can do that. Zack De La Rocha |
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I don't think they have any oil to liberate.
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I suppose you want the US or Europe to barge into Zimbabwe and make things right? I`m afraid it`s not that simple.  |
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This is a post-colonial thing. Once a nation of pale-skins starts meddling in Zimbabwean affairs, Mugabe (and a host of other African national leaders needing someone to blame for their countries sad state of affairs) will cry "colonialism", and all Hades breaks loose. Badly run states will seek needed unity against an external enemy. The long-term effect of alienating Western countries will do a lot of harm, bout to Anglo-American trade and to the countries themselves. Thus Britain try to influence things through other African states.
This crisis needs to be solved by African leaders, not Western ones. |
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Exactly. Until that happens there`s not much else that can be done. |
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I agree with you guys. Our governments have done enough damage.
Sad to say, if these people are going to get anywhere, they'll have to do themselves or risk being used again. They need to break free.  Dein Christus ein Jude, dein Auto ein Japaner, deine Pizza italienisch, deine Demokratie griechisch, dein Kaffee brasilianisch, deine Urlaub türkisch, deine Zahlen arabisch, deine Schrift lateinisch, und dein Nachbar nur ein Ausländer. |
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I agree but where was all this "they need to help themselves" stuff when we went to "liberate" Iraq?
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We could always bribe Gaddafi to invade by selling him even more weapons and....oh wait we have lol...wooops
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Why has "noone" a command of the english language?? Soory to "intervien" in thiz thred and disropt thengs....LOL!!
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It's African politics. Nothing new, they're just electing their new genocidal leader. Just how things work there. It's so predictable that it is boring. Move on.
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Obviously not, despite tht never being an issue in the past, but i thought this was part of the U.N's purpouse. Lies, sanctions, and cruise missiles have never created a free and just society. Only everyday people can do that. Zack De La Rocha |
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Now you have done it! I shall lie awake tonight worrying about Zimbabwe!
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Not all Africans drive around in pickup trucks waving Aks.. There are peacefull African nations ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ “I once called her up to tell her I'd had 200 trade unionists shot dead and thrown into the sea. "Gusty, dear", she said, "give me the resources you have and I'd create a new island of dead leftists in the South Pacific by lunchtime tomorrow." Damn, that's cold!” - Augusto Pinochet on Margaret Thatcher |
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Correct indeed. Western news shows only the bad stuff. "X African country had a good year" isn`t news worthy. There are also African nations that are actively working to peacefully get Mugabe to be better towards his people. It`s slow, but this way is better than trying a Somalia-type `fix`. Also, the UN are pretty useless. |
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So I guess the 400+ years of European meddling had absolutely nothing to do with this..
Wow....  That is pathetic. While it may be true that there is no easy solution and yes Mugabe is indeed part of the problem.. Mugabe didn't get where he is on charm and good looks or because he was a "nice guy" and if America and Britain didn't want hin there he wouldn't be there.. Just for a little background: * There have been many civilisations in Zimbabwe as is shown by the ancient stone structures at Khami, Great Zimbabwe and Dhlo-Dhlo. * The Mwene Mutapa (or Monomatapas) were the first major civilisation to become established. * By the mid 1440's, King Mutota's empire included almost all of the Rhodesian plateau and extensive parts of what is now Mozambique. * the wealth of this empire was based on small-scale industries, for example iron smelting, textiles, gold and copper, along with agriculture. * The regular inhabitants of the empire's trading towns were the Arab and Swahili merchants with whom trade was conducted. * In the early 16th century the Portuguese arrived and destroyed this trade and began a series of wars which left the empire so weakened that it entered the 17th century in serious decline. * Several Shona states came together to form the Rozwi empire which covered more than half of present day Zimbabwe. * By 1690 the Portuguese had been forced off the plateau and much of the land formerly under Mwene Mutapa was controlled by the Rozwi. * Peace and prosperity reigned over the next two centuries and the centres of Dhlo-Dhlo, Khami, and Great Zimbabwe reached their peaks. * As a result of the mid-19th century turmoil in Transvaal and Natal, the Rozwi Empire came to an end. * A treaty was signed with the British South Africa Company in 1888 allowing them to mine gold in the kingdom, now under Ndebele rule. * The increasing influx of settlers as a result of this treaty led to war with the Ndebele in 1893. The Ndebele were defeated and European immigration began in earnest. * There was a clear portrayal of the conflict between black and white after the referendum of 1922 in which the Whites choses to become a self-governing colony rather than become part of the Union of South Africa. This effectively excluded most blacks from the vote, despite the colony's theoretically non-racial constitution. * In 1930 a land act was passed which excluded Africans from ownership of the best farming land further enhancing white supremacy. The labour law, carried in 1934, prohibited the Africans from entering skilled trades and professions. * As a consequence of these actions, Africans were forced to work for subsistence wages on white farms, mines and factories. * The gradual radicalisation of the African labour force occurred due to terribly poor wages and conditions. By 1953, the mining and industrial concerns were in favour of a more racially mixed middle class as a balance to the radical elements in the labour force. Also in 1953 a federation of Southern Rhodesia, Northern Rhodesian (now Zambia) and Nyasaland (now Malawi) was formed. * The Federation's prime minister, Garfield Todd was thrown out when he attempted to satisfy some of the more moderate African demands. * In 1962 the same treatment was afforded his successor. * The formation of a number of political parties along with sporadic acts of sabotage came as a result of African impatience with the prospects of constitutional change. * At the forefront of this move was the Zimbabwe African People's Union (ZAPU), mostly Ndebele, led by Joshua Nkomo. * It was shortly joined by the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU), mostly Shona, a break-away group under Ndabaningi Sithole. * After the collapse of the federation in 1963, both ZAPU and ZANU were banned and the majority of their leaders imprisoned. * At the same time, as a response to Britain's refusal to grant independence to Southern Rhodesia, Ian Smith the prime minister, called for a unilateral declaration of independence (UDI). * In the May 1965 elections, Smith's party picked up every one of the 50 government seats, in December, UDI was declared. * Britain declared Smith's action illegal and imposed economic sanctions. In 1968 the UN voted to make the sanctions mandatory but they were largely ineffective. * The measures taken by the British government to force Smith to revoke UDI and accept Black majority rule were useless, as the economic sanctions imposed actually saw Rhodesia's economy grow. * Both ZAPU and ZANU began campaigns of guerrilla warfare around 1966, and guerrilla raids led to an escalation in white emigration from Rhodesia. * The coming of independence in Angola and Mozambique in 1975 altered the power balance within Rhodesia greatly as it forced South Africa and the USA to rethink their attitudes to the area, in order that they could protect their economic and political interests. * Attempts were made by both countries to pressurise Smith into accepting the nationalists. With Kauanda's Zambian support the nationalist groups were convinced to come together under the united front of Muzorewa's African National Congress. The imprisoned nationalist leaders were released. * Continuing talks failed to bring the two sides to an agreement, despite changes to the nationalist "line-up", now called the Patriotic Front, a union of ZANU and ZAPU. Ian Smith, in the face of an exodus of large numbers of whites, tried to make a deal with Sithole and Muzurewa whereby power would be handed over to them providing certain guarantees were afforded to the whites: minimum of 28 seats in the 100 seat parliament; a veto over legislation for 10 years; white control of the army, air force, police, judiciary and civil service. It failed and the war grew worse. * In the end, Smith called non-racial elections. In 1980 Mugabe's ZANU party won the election although the whites retained most of the guarantees that Smith wanted. * There followed a continuing bitter rivalry between ZAPU and ZANU. Guerilla activity started again. Nkomo (ZAPU) left for England and did not return until Mugabe guaranteed his safety. Soon talks led to the uniting of the two rival parties. * In 1988 the law guaranteeing whites 20 seats in parliament was rescinded. In 1990/1991 it was declared that half of the land belonging to white farmers would be allocated to blacks. 
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