Also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...I7qQ&feature=related

i was pretty impressed about hayateace's contribution!

the large picture of the politician speaks already for itself, but the video on 'youtube' should convince every 'global warming extremists/alarmists' (mortoma). listen to the scientist at around 3:10, with his stunning ability to walk steep rocks and gather information by hand-laying on them.

we need to protect the 'school children world wide needing counseling all over the world due to the indoctrination they have received at the hands of evil liars and deceivers' (mortoma).



i don't think, it is necessary to reiterate the arguments on both sides, already given in the other thread. it seems, that it wasn't the intention of the opener as well...
much more i am interested, if the opener's sermon-like phrasing is a natural talent or result of reading too many of the global warming debunkers?

Global climate change is very real..

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Originally posted by Treetop64:
@ AIMail and Mortama:

It's hilarious that you guys are at each others throats, considering your avatars! We have Anti-Che vs. Anti-Cheney, pointing fingers!

Would this be the result of the 'Union of the Two Towers' of Aimailador and Mortomador?:

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Originally posted by Choctaw111:
If they have been shrinking for the past 250 years, what in the world were we as humanity doing back then to cause global warming? Nothing comes to mind.
Scientists give mankind way too much credit when they say that we can do things that will globally effect our climate. It's a bunch of nonsense really.

Consider that the emerging industries a long time ago were fuelled by coal and wood even before what is termed the Victorian age, and that by the turn of the 20th century, cities were pumping out pollution and gases that I would imagine might have a cumulative effect over a long period.

On a side note, one of my interests is industry, working, and social conditions in the Victorian and Edwardian age. I love old machinery of any type, and most of it was powered through belts connected to a central steam engine that was powered by coal of usually poor grade. From the photographs and contemporary descriptions of what living conditions were back then regarding pollution, consider that it might possibly still have some sort of effect on our world today, given the timespan of increasing industry worldwide from then until the present. In other words, did it ever really go away? Just because people cannot smell or taste something doesn't necessarily mean it is not there.

For instance, sometimes people do not consider the pollution automobiles (or anything that burns and subsequently releases gases into the atmosphere) release when they are running in an open environment. Sometimes people are unaware of the danger of running a car in a closed environment such as a garage, and will accidently cause their own death because of it. In effect, they could not see what killed them. The same could be said with a fire in the fireplace. All is well and good until someone forgets to open the flue before building the fire, and then they are reminded of the byproduct of the fire.

Mind you, I am not a tree hugging militant environmentalist that goes around spiking trees, I am also not someone who will vehemently deny that climate change is something other than natural and mankind has nothing to do with it, and I am definitely not a scientist with expertise in the field of climate change. I do however wonder if everything that mankind has done, from building the first fires, to the present industrial age, is what happens to the resulting gases that are created. Do they dissipate harmlessly into the atmosphere to be benignly absorbed, or do they collect and eventually affect our world's climate to the point of no return?

So, what's to do?

Hopefully that people by then will already have built the 'offworld colonies' where a new life awaits the world's ever increasing (and forever flatulating) population.

Yes BC, climate change is something different....unless you speak of the rebranded AlGORE version.

Yep, they're just a growin'...

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Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Global climate change is very real..

Yes, it is very real, but global climate change in the past is a proven fact, long before humans were doing anything to could be blamed for causing it.
Who got blamed for Global Cooling ie. the last Ice Age.
It was those darned cave men and burning too much wood for heat.
Just the same as today, the world cools down and warms back up and will keep happening on a cycle.
The fact the some think people are responsible is just ludicrous.

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Originally posted by Choctaw111:

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Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Global climate change is very real..

Yes, it is very real, but global climate change in the past is a proven fact, long before humans were doing anything to could be blamed for causing it.
Who got blamed for Global Cooling ie. the last Ice Age.
It was those darned cave men and burning too much wood for heat.
Just the same as today, the world cools down and warms back up and will keep happening on a cycle.
The fact the some think people are responsible is just ludicrous.

Yes, it's happened before, but over centuries, not decades. how much is caused by man is debatable, but man IS helping it along and we need to slow it as much as possible. People look around at this earth and think it's impossible for us to affect it, but what they don't realize is that if you were looking at a standard desk globe, the earths atmosphere would be the thickness of a sheet of notebook paper.

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Originally posted by Choctaw111:
Just the same as today, the world cools down and warms back up and will keep happening on a cycle.
The fact the some think people are responsible is just ludicrous.

the cycle is just a basic pattern, which doesn't fit explain observations.
ludicrous is that some people continuously repeat their self-comforting beliefs that the environment is not affected by modern civilisation. annoying is that even if threads on the same topic are on the same page, similar flat statements are posted - for which reason i consider these statements as not to be taken seriously (as a hint: the other thread is pretty easy to find by the topic of 'global warming', shouldn't be too difficult)

There's more to CO2 than just 'global warming'

Look up Carbon cycles in the ocean. Co2 from the atmosphere builds up in the oceans too. This has been measured.

C02 and H2O make H2CO3, Carbonic acid.

H2CO3 becomes H+ and HCO3-

HCO3- becomes H+ and CO3--

This is causing a gradual acidification of the ocean. This may affect some forms of life. The decrease in pH can also dissolve shells of corals and diatoms which are quite fragile. This is not helping the fact that coral reefs are already disappearing.

Great photos to back up this climate change fact -- Thanks Urufu
As I have stated elsewhere-- the climate is swinging to extreme temps
Hotter in summer and in places noticeably cooler in winter,
Extreme forestfire events and floods are becoming commonplace and of record proportions-
doesn't that alert anyone that a major change is taking place?
but the facts point to a major trend of changing climate and environment, to the effect of increased warming that is not in the previously witnessed normal ratios over the past centuries,
the level of change is accelerating
There is a point of no return that we are fast approaching and I would like to reverse the heating trend to save the planet for our future generations as opposed to indulging our current extreme energy usage that is based on coal and oil.
We are being manipulated( by the oil and coal cartels) into thinking that the change we see in the climate is a natural one; when it is induced by their products for extreme economic benefit for the few.
There will be no comfort with this 'debate' by being able to say "I told you so" when temperatures rise as will sea levels and extreme weather events effect all our lives

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Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:





Yep, they're just a growin'...

Perhaps they meant compared to last year, not decades ago. Who knows.
I agree than we may in some small way have an adverse effect over time even if in the smallest way. Any action we perform can effect the entire universe and if we had instruments sensitive enough we could say, yup, because Choctaw's wife went shopping today, it will eventually effect a star on the other side of the galaxy. Is what we are doing having that much of a change for certain?

Global Warming: the one area of science where anyone on the internet can be an expert.

Growing glaciers is God's way of telling us to burn Mortoma.