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Pretty much. Games don't drive for reality, but if it's one or other option, the realism is the way to go. No one would play game made exact opposite of realism.

Mid-age knights in 1970s cities flying with UFOs. No thanks.



And the topic. I have no idea, but I disagree with arguments of good movies made on that time, nothing to do with game. Whatever works, I'd say later time with nice supply of old.

You mean to say that you disagree with me that movies today are not as good as before? Okay. Fine. It's your opinion and it won't change my opinion. As far as I know, you probably haven't seen very movies from the past anyways.

And why would we have modern technology in a 1960 or 1970s time period for a game? I wasn't the one to say that this should be in a Driver game. If it was, then yes, it'd be a very confusing and dumb idea. If you're going to set a game in the past, make it very accurate. And besides, I really don't think that there are any better vehicles than muscle cars for any car chases, including that of movies and video games. Therefore, if the game will be set in either of these two time periods, make a majority of the vehicles as muscle cars. There could also be some other sports cars that were popular around that time, as well as the regular vehicles too, but muscle cars are an important part of the Driver franchise. I personally think that the muscle cars have always been the best vehicles to drive and feel like you're in a car chase, when looking across every Driver title, especially Driver: You Are The Wheelman.

Lets get this straight. You guys want to have a modern time period for the game and you don't care if the story and all else turns out bad? Is that correct? You don't care whether or not Reflections will take another stupid movie with car chases and still its idea to make its Driver games look worse? Bullitt and The French Connection are perhaps the only films left and the only films of them all to look at when trying to perfect the story and the dialogue. Oh, but it seems as if you don't care about the story at all. No, you think that the amount of freedom itself will be able to save this next Driver game from ending up another failure. Well that's very thoughtful and caring of you (*sarcasm*).

I know a lot of old good movies, but new ones aren't that bad either. There's good and bad movies in all times, problem seems to be the copying, many nowaday movies are copies of others, but I feel old ones were copying each other too.

Thing is that just because some old movies had great and real chases, that doesn't mean game should be based on it at all. Driver=/=Bullit. And argument of Bullit having real cars means nothing, Driver won't ever have real cars. New movies might be more CG but games will be to, not real, but they can still be great, even more than realistic can.

I want best possible story and everything else, but copying some old movie setting is one of the cheapest and weakest ways. I don't say it shouldn't be 1960s nor 2000. I just don't agree with your arguments and reasoning.

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It's true that there are still some good and original movies out there today, and that movies in the old times were sometimes bad as well, but there were hardly any bad movies back then (or there just aren't any mentioned, which is good since we don't have to worry about them) and today has many bad movies. Certain genres like horror and comedy are almost completely dried up. The same goes for Drama. Out of these three, I'd say that horror has dried up the most since today's horror films are hardly ever any good, nor are they as scary as certain movies of the past (especially The Exorcist and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre). Comedy still is able to get some good ideas squeezed out, but movies, especially parody ones (Scary Movie, Date Movie, Epic movie, Meet The Spartans, etc.) have really no good humor in them, as they're really stupid (I'd rather just watch a parody video on YouTube).

There reason why I say to look at Bullitt and The French Connection is because it's been proven that ideas going from a movie into a video game can work. Lets take Romero's movies as an example. Shin Mikami, the creator of the Resident Evil franchise, not only drew inspiration for the Survival Horror genre from an earlier horror game called Sweet Home, but also drue it from Romero's films. If it weren't for these films and games, the Resident Evil franchise wouldn't have been the dominant Survival Horror franchise. Therefore, by having the Driver franchise take a very similar example as movies like Bullitt and The French Connection, it can really draw enough good ideas for the story and maybe even the other forms of gameplay that Reflections can revive it. Maybe the next Driver games shouldn't be complete copies of these two very good films, but they should really take a similar setting and use many of the good factors of those movies. This is one way to finally bring it back to where the first Driver was, and maybe even to give us room for good on-foot (if the team considers it a choice, rather than always leaving it small and almost empty).

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No one would play game made exact opposite of realism.

.. is completely wrong. Mario? Zelda? Megaman? Lego games? World of Warcraft? Ratchet and Clank? Crash Bandicoot?

In fact it could easily be said that the more unrealistic games sell far more than this realistic bull****.

If having present day cars in a game set in the 70's is confusing, then you're not playing the game right, worrying too much about petty ****

Crash, Zelda or Mario are complete opposite of realism? Hardly. They have real physics, real settings (Woodlands, Dungeons), real charachters and items (Dragons, Humans, Money, Cars), story is often the usual save the world featured in "real" games too and overall they aren't very far from "realistic games" at all. Sure they have lots of imaginational brainstorm, but that's just the finished outlook which is often good. Sly the raccoon is basically Splinter Cell.

Tomb Raider and Dino Crisis stretchs the realism a bit and that's just good too, better fun than incomplete realism, giving enemies much better tools than me. Few games get even close the real realism. Driver AI, on foot and glitches are nowhere real. I'd love perfectly realistic Driver, but currently we're fighting over smaller things.

Would you say Elder Scrolls or WOW is complete opposite of realism? That's just wrong. Exact opposite would be more like senseless board of lines and shapes. If we would throw every realistic thing away one by one with argument "it's a game, realism doesn't matter" we would end up with game like that.

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Originally posted by FutureVenturer:

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Originally posted by kalle90:
Pretty much. Games don't drive for reality, but if it's one or other option, the realism is the way to go. No one would play game made exact opposite of realism.

Mid-age knights in 1970s cities flying with UFOs. No thanks.



And the topic. I have no idea, but I disagree with arguments of good movies made on that time, nothing to do with game. Whatever works, I'd say later time with nice supply of old.

You mean to say that you disagree with me that movies today are not as good as before? Okay. Fine. It's your opinion and it won't change my opinion. As far as I know, you probably haven't seen very movies from the past anyways.

And why would we have modern technology in a 1960 or 1970s time period for a game? I wasn't the one to say that this should be in a Driver game. If it was, then yes, it'd be a very confusing and dumb idea. If you're going to set a game in the past, make it very accurate. And besides, I really don't think that there are any better vehicles than muscle cars for any car chases, including that of movies and video games. Therefore, if the game will be set in either of these two time periods, make a majority of the vehicles as muscle cars. There could also be some other sports cars that were popular around that time, as well as the regular vehicles too, but muscle cars are an important part of the Driver franchise. I personally think that the muscle cars have always been the best vehicles to drive and feel like you're in a car chase, when looking across every Driver title, especially Driver: You Are The Wheelman.

Lets get this straight. You guys want to have a modern time period for the game and you don't care if the story and all else turns out bad? Is that correct? You don't care whether or not Reflections will take another stupid movie with car chases and still its idea to make its Driver games look worse? Bullitt and The French Connection are perhaps the only films left and the only films of them all to look at when trying to perfect the story and the dialogue. Oh, but it seems as if you don't care about the story at all. No, you think that the amount of freedom itself will be able to save this next Driver game from ending up another failure. Well that's very thoughtful and caring of you (*sarcasm*).

I know a lot of old good movies, but new ones aren't that bad either. There's good and bad movies in all times, problem seems to be the copying, many nowaday movies are copies of others, but I feel old ones were copying each other too.

Thing is that just because some old movies had great and real chases, that doesn't mean game should be based on it at all. Driver=/=Bullit. And argument of Bullit having real cars means nothing, Driver won't ever have real cars. New movies might be more CG but games will be to, not real, but they can still be great, even more than realistic can.

I want best possible story and everything else, but copying some old movie setting is one of the cheapest and weakest ways. I don't say it shouldn't be 1960s nor 2000. I just don't agree with your arguments and reasoning.

It's true that there are still some good and original movies out there today, and that movies in the old times were sometimes bad as well, but there were hardly any bad movies back then (or there just aren't any mentioned, which is good since we don't have to worry about them) and today has many bad movies. Certain genres like horror and comedy are almost completely dried up. The same goes for Drama. Out of these three, I'd say that horror has dried up the most since today's horror films are hardly ever any good, nor are they as scary as certain movies of the past (especially The Exorcist and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre). Comedy still is able to get some good ideas squeezed out, but movies, especially parody ones (Scary Movie, Date Movie, Epic movie, Meet The Spartans, etc.) have really no good humor in them, as they're really stupid (I'd rather just watch a parody video on YouTube).

There reason why I say to look at Bullitt and The French Connection is because it's been proven that ideas going from a movie into a video game can work. Lets take Romero's movies as an example. Shin Mikami, the creator of the Resident Evil franchise, not only drew inspiration for the Survival Horror genre from an earlier horror game called Sweet Home, but also drue it from Romero's films. If it weren't for these films and games, the Resident Evil franchise wouldn't have been the dominant Survival Horror franchise. Therefore, by having the Driver franchise take a very similar example as movies like Bullitt and The French Connection, it can really draw enough good ideas for the story and maybe even the other forms of gameplay that Reflections can revive it. Maybe the next Driver games shouldn't be complete copies of these two very good films, but they should really take a similar setting and use many of the good factors of those movies. This is one way to finally bring it back to where the first Driver was, and maybe even to give us room for good on-foot (if the team considers it a choice, rather than always leaving it small and almost empty).

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No one would play game made exact opposite of realism.

.. is completely wrong. Mario? Zelda? Megaman? Lego games? World of Warcraft? Ratchet and Clank? Crash Bandicoot?

In fact it could easily be said that the more unrealistic games sell far more than this realistic bull****.

If having present day cars in a game set in the 70's is confusing, then you're not playing the game right, worrying too much about petty ****

Crash, Zelda or Mario are complete opposite of realism? Hardly. They have real physics, real settings (Woodlands, Dungeons), real charachters and items (Dragons, Humans, Money, Cars), story is often the usual save the world featured in "real" games too and overall they aren't very far from "realistic games" at all. Sure they have lots of imaginational brainstorm, but that's just the finished outlook which is often good. Sly the raccoon is basically Splinter Cell.

Tomb Raider and Dino Crisis stretchs the realism a bit and that's just good too, better fun than incomplete realism, giving enemies much better tools than me. Few games get even close the real realism. Driver AI, on foot and glitches are nowhere real. I'd love perfectly realistic Driver, but currently we're fighting over smaller things.

Would you say Elder Scrolls or WOW is complete opposite of realism? That's just wrong. Exact opposite would be more like senseless board of lines and shapes. If we would throw every realistic thing away one by one with argument "it's a game, realism doesn't matter" we would end up with game like that.

Tell me, kalleo90. Have you seen any Goombas runnning around in our world? If not, then I can already say that you're wrong. There are a lot of things that make The Legend of Zelda and Mario imaginative, not realistic. Their worlds, characters, weapons, powers, and enemies make it seem very imaginative.

Do you know what a realistic game is like? It's a game that has the following:

- a real-world location
- real technology
- real advertisements

I can continue the list, but I think that you already know what a realistic game has to offer. And no, Sly Cooper is not Splinter Cell. Yes, you do sneak up on enemies and it is based on a light & dark system (like SC and Thief), but it is much different from SC. The huge difference between Elder Scrolls and WOW are that Elder Scrolls is for hardcore players, whereas WOW is for casual gamers. Although these games are not 100% different from the real world, they are still very different.