The way I see it. Given the last 2 games were, not bad as such just unfinished. Well if were being honest, barely begun. The new Driver must be fresh, the original blockbuster was good in its day but that basic gameplay no longer works. Strategy games are slowing appearing in every genre and interaction which causes consequences is becoming the main features of all games. This is why I think wheelman will fail. Playing the demo I knew that this game was about getting 10/10 and didn't leave room for creativity, which is what gives a game the replay value. Being initially impressed with fancy graphics and stylish environments wears off and you realise that you have no effect. Driver lacks YOUR personality, YOUR influence.

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Well first of all, I think if a Driver game came out at all, it would make fans happy.

I don't know what would make the game excellent, but going on the first and second games and there success, it needs to be a lot more foucsed on driving than on-foot missions.

If they made the game a lot like the first two mission wise, basically all driving apart from the odd mission where you must kill someone the game should be okay.

But there's no way people would like the game as much if you don't include weapons and on-foot missions, you have to get the balance right.

Say for example: 85% driving, 10% shooting missions and about 5% on-foot, if even that.

Sorry if I went on a bit.

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Originally posted by Emmet6131:
Well first of all, I think if a Driver game came out at all, it would make fans happy.

Very, very happy!

I think that they should make it a little more action packed when you do have to do the odd on foot section...

on the previous titles, the on foot section was a little too slow...



I think that the latest two Driver titles (D3 & D:PL) had some great things, like the storylines and cutscenes, but Reflections need to take the time to ask people what are the things that they like in the latest Driver games, and what do they hate with a passion...

they cant just keep on expecting the forums users to post some info every now and again on how reflections can make a sucessfull title....


Sorry for being a little arragant, but I am sick of Reflections wondering what the series problems are, but never going out of their way to ask REAL people...

This place is dead too?

Make an amazing crime story, then fit the gameplay in it perfectly.
- I drive / I chase / I'm chased in car
- I walk / I chase / I'm chased on foot
- I swim, climb, dodge, crawl...
- I shoot / I'm shot
- I meet and talk to people real time with some freedom to choose lines
- Amazing A.I
- Lively cities and real enterable buildings
- Great soundtrack

I heard GTAIV had a lot better story though, so it might be too late to do anything.

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Originally posted by kalle90:

I heard GTAIV had a lot better story though, so it might be too late to do anything.

For all we know, Driver 4 may have a much better story than GTA: IV.

Maybe.

Oh and real crime stories have plenty of stealth and impressive hand to hand brawls. Those are something I don't remember seeing in GTA.
- Walking in a big apartment house. Some crime boss or accomplice in one of the rooms, with some civilian clothed thugs patrolling around. I approach by sneaking, peeking behind walls and knocking people out or shoot them with silenced weapon.
- Chasing a person in suburbian area. The enemy jumps over fences, trying to open doors of houses and cars and climbing to roofs.

Driver + Bourne Conspiracy + Splinter Cell

Another thing is that I would like to get rid of the seperate 1 minute missions leading to "Mission failed" so often. True Crime games did great with not having every failure mean game over.
If I lose my target I'm chasing, there should be another way to seek him out by exploring, asking, using technology... Not have "Mission failed" once the target has just disappeared from my view.

How about a game that runs? Would be nice if the cars were actually driveable too!

Paid $6. usd for Parallel Lines and feel like I was cheated. Sad, when games are not even worth bargain basement.

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Originally posted by Emmet6131:
Well first of all, I think if a Driver game came out at all, it would make fans happy.

I don't know what would make the game excellent, but going on the first and second games and there success, it needs to be a lot more foucsed on driving than on-foot missions.

If they made the game a lot like the first two mission wise, basically all driving apart from the odd mission where you must kill someone the game should be okay.

But there's no way people would like the game as much if you don't include weapons and on-foot missions, you have to get the balance right.

Say for example: 85% driving, 10% shooting missions and about 5% on-foot, if even that.

Sorry if I went on a bit.

A lot of fans would be pleased to see a huge emphasis on driving again, like in D2 (at least). But I don't necessarily feel that Driver should focus on traditional driving missions. It could feel more like one huge mission, filled with various possible tasks to complete in order to catch or kill a criminal or group of criminal.

I will say this again: a Police Procedure game would be very innovative and fitting for a Driver game.


Ubisoft should take this kind of a risk, and greatly differentiate Driver from GTA. It would feel more like Mafia than GTA, if that were the case.

As much as I would want games to try to be more than just full of mindless violence, I don't say how a game with little or no violence at all could sell a lot of copies. Sure, Harvest Moon, The Sims, and Ace Attorney are all nonviolent games, but the chances of having these types of titles end up profitable are really small.

Along the lines of them doing something special, how about having a better version of the thrill cam;
OK, imagine this, you see a tricky bit coming up so you press and hold the start button; the world around you slows to allow you to calculate your move, you try to weave one way but still strike the concrete divider, totalling your ride, so you press start again to enter the replay editor (GRID style), and you rewind time, use a flashback token and try it again, anyone agree?

Also how about classic multiplayer, old school secrets and hell, evn the odd glitch which (generally on fifa) causes my mates to howl with laughter*.

I would just love a game that has a great "undercover" (campaign) backed up with classic off-line multiplayer. I am fed up with modern games lacking any party modes or splitscreen offerings in favour of on-line modes, where empty-ish lobbies pay flaccid tribute their developers hard work.

Driver 2 is ok, a good start, but if they had a burnout style crash mode, a NFS style race and a GRID style demolition derby, you couldn't ask for a better game! So Ubi-reflections, some split screen or party modes that are fun plz, then I will defo buy your game!

Going back to Driver's roots, is not going to be enough to please its fans. The next Driver game would just end up as a clone of its previous games, nothing more. I don't want it to be something like a GTA clone, but seeing it turn out as what could be called a remake or re-released game also is not enough. It needs to greatly distant itself from the other games that are focusing on a crime setting.

Either Reflections has to go back to the drawing board and start from scratch on a very new crime game within its Driver franchise, or its sequels will continue to be so repetitive and weak.

Regardless of what happens, I probably won't care much about the Driver franchise. I just thought that I'd show up to help its developer out with intelligent, meaningful ideas that have yet to be made popular in the gaming industry. It may have been a waste of time for me coming over here, for I know that the mainstream side of the media will always remain so bent on making money, and that it won't care much at all for new ideas.

The way I see it is that video games are dead, and that we won't see much creativity at all, at least not the kind that was found in the 1970s, 1980s, or even the 1990s. Mainstream games will be there for people who want to remain around popular culture. Only the indie ones will be able to take huge risks with new ideas and bring games further than just having people think of them as electronic toys to play with.

Hey guys, I don't want to sound like i'm advertising here - but i really like the discussions you guys have here. Maybe we can all meet up at my new Driver fansite - http://driver-tools.net !

I set it up on July 31, I've already got some Driver fans there but not alot. Please come on over and join your fellow fans in Driver!

Once again, not trying to advertise, so I'll contribute to this thread.

Driver needs to really get crackin with the new times. We have lost alot of our fanbase because of Driv3r! It killed us all. And then of course Driver: PL had nothing to do with Tanner, so yeah...

I'm afraid that I will not be around to contribute anything more to this forums. The video game industry is about to become even more devestating. Console sales have gone down 15%, something that we haven't see happen in a decade or so. In addition, it is very likely that with 10-year life cycles for game consoles, starting with the 360 and the PS3, we will see consumers spend less money on consoles and games, making it harder for manufacturers like Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo to make good profits.

Sony has lost over $3 billion from its PS3s, while Microsoft has lost over $4 billion. This is why they both have decided to extend the life of their consoles to 10-years, which will help them regain some of the money that they've lost. This means that we will not see another Sony or Microsoft console until 2015 or 2016. Nintendo, on the other hand, was wise to not invest so much into hardware (graphics as well as making an entertainment system).

A lot of game developers will be devastated by this, such that it will be harder for the AAA titles to sell, and even more difficult for the non-AAA titles to sell, which means less innovation, and more remakes, sequels, spin-offs, etc.

The future of this industry is definitely not a bright one. And I would certainly say that this throws away all of the chances of us seeing an actually original Driver title out of the window. Maybe we might still see one on the current generation's consoles, but every other console in the future will be way less like to do any good for Ubisoft Reflections.

The whole downturn of the video game industry is precisely why I have decided to give up all my hopes of ever creating my own games, and stick to being nothing more than perhaps a programmer that is working for a big company like Infinity Ward or BioWare.

That's very downbeat, as often you are, but I think that soon with things such as microlofts arcade, people may see the appeal of small intelligent and innovative titles that can be produced if the correct tools are given to enthusiasts. I am in a wee bit of a pickle, I want to develop my own (simple) game engine however i no longer have the tools.

This is because I recently upgraded to a GNU/Linux OS, partly due to personal choice, but mainly due to Microloft failing me by overcomplicating a OEM install of XP so when it crashed, it, well it did bad things to itself. This rendered my old method of using Game maker useless, just as i began to realise how I could utilise it to make a cutesy 3d game based on vectors and such.

Wow, that's a pointlessly long life story but now I am running Ubuntu, I cannot find simple tools to let me develop my skills so i am limited. So long story short, I think we need to see the big boys opening their consoles up to us in a way similar to the iphone!

All of that had nothing at all to do with driver, so I will say this, Driver will benefit from being released as soon as possible, that is obvious, but the longer we wait the more the technology will become old and we will be demanding more from our ever ageing machines!

please dont Compare Driver with other games DRIVER game successful from the 1 game came out tell D.P.L so no Compare & i hope they dont change anything or make trying to make it like gta cuz it sucks we want driver still the same game with the great story & wonerful graphics i hope ubisoft in DRIVER 5 complete DRIV3R story

That's good to hear; I hope you like it when it comes out!

To me, it is very hard to devote anymore time to any franchises. The Metal Gear franchise probably is my favorite one, due to it tackling issues in society (i.e. cloning, dangerous technology, private military companies, warfare, lose of freedoms, etc.). Other than that, I have not enjoyed that many other franchises. I actually enjoyed the first Driver game, whose story actually was a decent one. But it is not something so memorable that it changed me in anyway. No. The Metal Gear franchise actually was what helped change my perception of reality more and it made me less naive.

As for most Driver fans, I think that they will continue to be pleased with Ubisoft Reflections. Only the minority will be unimpressed with the next game.

To be honest with everyone, the Driver franchise has always been heading in this direction. The question should not be "what will bring Driver back" because each sequel does what the previous ones were able to do and is filled with even more open-ended gameplay. Driver is just one of those coincidences, and is not really a GTA clone. It is so funny how Rockstar North's and Ubisoft Reflections' game ideas have been so similar to each other. They can practically be called copycats of each other. GTA3 and beyond are Driver clones, whereas D3 and beyond are GTA clones. That term "clone" is so overused, and really is not a good way to determine how good a game is. I do not really care about how similar a game is to another one, but how meaningful it is, does matter greatly to me. Tradition and innovation both are important as ways of thinking in the media.

What will bring Driver back?

Making the cop chases fun again. Its too easy to loose the cops, though I would like to be able to hide without the cops always knowing where I am, for instance the cops get hung up on a pole, you go around the corner and ditch your car. The cops will begin searching the area, it'll turn into a manhunt.

Make the guns fun to use, they don't really do any damage when shooting stuff, we need chunks of debris, clouds of dust, smoke and flames

AI obviously needs improvement

Extremely crunchy cars, remember the whole "wrap your car around a tree" spiel from D3? Roof crushing is cool too

And cheat codes out the ying yang

Some areas of DR3 were okay, but I didn't think of anything else after. So this game will have to really be a change. Especially for PS3.

It all depends on how you play it, if you're exploring and hoping to find something cool, you will be severly dissapointed with any Driver game.

I know, cause for the longest time thats how I played it.

If you just drive around taking corners and weaving through traffic, getting into gunfights, then its a pretty cool game. I pulled out D3 for the first time in a while yesterday, and man it was nice. First off I'd have to say BRING BACK THE FPS CONTROLS ON FOOT!!!!! I've been playing GTASA for a while and D3 was a breath of fresh air just because its more like a real shooting game

And film director was pretty cool too, I never really messed with it but I was watching replays on youtube, got me in the mood for it. Its really lacking in camera options though, I want to be able to lock the camera to any object, or mount the tripod onto any object.

But even if you can have fun with it, its still too limited, in that you can only really have fun when the cops are chasing you. You modeled all these cities in painstaking detail, make them as interesting as they look, take some creative liberties it doesn't have to be realistic