P-38.

Do335 one of the first fighters with presurized cockpit, ejection seat and the fastest propeller driven aircraft of WWII.

I'm not giving short-shrift to the Soviets at all, PanzerAce. The MiG-9 is a good airplane, and good at it's mission (though consider that the MiG's service life was rather shorter than the Lockheed's, AFAIK), but the YP-80 has all of the features of modern jet fighters in a more refined package than the -9. As for what aircraft to compare the 80 to, I'm limiting myself to ingame aircraft.

Airplanes like the ME262 and HE162 are very good, too, but their configuration was a developmental dead end.

you have to clarify advanced. If you mean technological and design wise, pick any of the swept wing jets in the game.


The Lerche is up there too, because it can hover and land vertically.


The most advanced carrier is Corsair *Cry* Where is the F8F Bear??

With practical planes that had actual full-scale prototypes or limited runs I would say two:

Ta-152C

Do-335 (Pfeil)

They were the most advanced piston engined prop planes at the time. Jets belong to a different generation.

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The Lerche is a pile of rubbish, existed only on paper, never flew.

As advanced I mean, most modern cockpit, most modern technology, and most advancedness.

what does blue smell of?

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Originally posted by thefruitbat:
what does blue smell of?

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Originally posted by X32Wright:
Jets belong to a different generaton.

yes, an earlier generation

He-178 first flight: Aug 1939
He-280 first flight: Mar 1941
Me-262 first flight: July 1942
Gloster Meteor first flight: Mar 1943

Do-335 first flight:Oct 1943
Ta-152 first flight:"Autumn" 1944

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Originally posted by Daiichidoku:

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Originally posted by X32Wright:
Jets belong to a different generaton.

yes, an earlier generation

He-178 first flight: Aug 1939
He-280 first flight: Mar 1941
Me-262 first flight: July 1942
Gloster Meteor first flight: Mar 1943

Do-335 first flight:Oct 1943
Ta-152 first flight:"Autumn" 1944

Umm... prop planes were flying long before the He-178's first flight. I wouldn't say jets are an earlier generation.

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Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
As advanced I mean, most modern cockpit, most modern technology, and most advancedness.

Probably the Me262. For a combination of factors (swept wings, fast, heavy armament, its real etc etc)

He162 is close behind but has lighter armament and no swept wings.

On the Allied side it would be the P80, if there was a De Havilland Vampire in the game, that would be included too.

The Meteor F3 was a decent bird, but not as good overall IMO as the P80 or Vampire. The Meteor F1 and F2 were only just faster than the fastest props at sea level, and slower up high. 400+mph at sea level. The Meteor F3 of Dec 1944 was a large improvement. Basically the Meteor served as a great 'in service test bed' for the RAF jet generation.

Not sure about the Russian side as I never flew any of the Russian jets.

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Originally posted by na85:
I wouldn't say jets are an earlier generation.

clearly, I was citing Wrights examples, the Pfiel and the Ta 152, not props as a whole

but indeed, jets are not an earlier generation than props, but of the same generation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coanda-1910

Westland Whirlwind

First flight: 15:00 Thursday October 11th 1938. Pilot - Harald Penrose, whose logbook read "This aircraft has the most advancedness I've ever seen".

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Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
Westland Whirlwind

First flight: 15:00 Thursday October 11th 1938. Pilot - Harald Penrose, whose logbook read "This aircraft has the most advancedness I've ever seen".

Advancedness... man that's my new favourite word in English language. From now on I'm gonna be a dedicated Advancedness-word user, and propably gonna change my sig accordingly too.

"Koivis, an advanced pilot, flying online as "4dv4ncedne55-f4n".

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Originally posted by Buzzsaw-:

The most advanced prop fighter in IL-2 is the one which isn't there.

P-51H. Far superior performance to any other production WWII Prop aircraft.

Hmm lets see closesly:
A plane produced in 1945, using high octane fuel.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperform...ang/p-51h-64161.html

Climb rate:
similar to 1940-1941 planes:
Bf-109F4
SpitV
Even I-16 with M-63 engine can beat it

Speed:
Yes, it was fast at high level, but at sea level (358Mph) still comparable to 1943 Fw-190A5, La-5FN.

Maneuverability:
Good high speed handling, but would be an easy kill in a dogfight against La-7, SpitXIV, Dora's, etc...
Even older SpitIX, Bf-109G2 or La-5FN would beat it easily.

Range:
Well.
P-38 and P-47 were there several years before.

Armement:
Weak even for a 1942 fighter. Hilarious for a late war bird

Conclusion:
Good escort fighter.
Poor armement.
Should avoid dogfights.
An easy kill in 1 on 1 engagements.

The best figther in WWII ?!

Technically speaking, if the boost is 67" on a Merlin, it's 100 octane, not 150. 150 get 75" of boost.

On most advanced, I'd probably have to tip towards the YP-80, because of the operational jets, it's the only one with a lead computing gunsight, and I believe it may be the only one with fully powered control surfaces.

The Me-262 loses points for the highly breakable landing gear, and the under-wing podded jet engines, while a good idea for the engines at hand, ended up being a dead end as far as fighter design went.

The MiG-9 is also a solid design, but I am given to understand the placement of the center cannon led to large volumes of gun gasses being ingested by the engines whenever it was fired, leading to frequent flame-outs, and I believe that use of that cannon was prohibited from operational units, which limited it to an effective armament of only 2x23mm.

Basically, of the three, the YP-80 was generally a more mature design, with fewer nasty kill-you-now quirks than its contemporaries, while still offering full jet performance.

I will agree that the 0.50's were getting a bit long in the tooth, but the nose cluster configuration the P-80 allowed a relatively easy transition to 20mm cannon, if the USAAF had developed on that worked before the P-80 finished production. Though, I expect it would have had the same gun gas ingestion problem that the Sabre had, when they finally fitted that with 20mms, so ymmv.

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Originally posted by Tipo_Man:

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Originally posted by Buzzsaw-:

The most advanced prop fighter in IL-2 is the one which isn't there.

P-51H. Far superior performance to any other production WWII Prop aircraft.

Hmm lets see closesly:
A plane produced in 1945, using high octane fuel.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperform...ang/p-51h-64161.html

Climb rate:
similar to 1940-1941 planes:
Bf-109F4
SpitV
Even I-16 with M-63 engine can beat it

Speed:
Yes, it was fast at high level, but at sea level (358Mph) still comparable to 1943 Fw-190A5, La-5FN.

Maneuverability:
Good high speed handling, but would be an easy kill in a dogfight against La-7, SpitXIV, Dora's, etc...
Even older SpitIX, Bf-109G2 or La-5FN would beat it easily.

Range:
Well.
P-38 and P-47 were there several years before.

Armement:
Weak even for a 1942 fighter. Hilarious for a late war bird

Conclusion:
Good escort fighter.
Poor armement.
Should avoid dogfights.
An easy kill in 1 on 1 engagements.

The best figther in WWII ?!

Do some research.

The P-51H didn't use 67 inches of boost in any operational role.

Using 115/145 octane fuel, and at 90 inches MAP it had a climb over 5000 ft per minute and a top speed of 487mph, 424mph at Sea level. That sea level speed makes the rest of the WWII prop set (except the Tempest) look pathetic.

And thats with a full fuel load, which would take it to Berlin. In a combat load situation, it would have a climb closer to 6000 ft per min.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperform...1h-altperf-91444.jpg

And a properly modelled P-51H would have no problem dogfighting, it would be doing it at 400mph, flying circles around the opposition.

If we are including planes not in the game then don't forget about the P-47J which was well before its time. It never made it into production but was already reaching speeds above 500mph by 1944. It was built really only to show off the technological advances that could be had if needed.

Republic shelved that project to make the P-72, which in my opinion craps on every other prop driven fighter plane, matching the performance of a P-51H in climb, but also traveling at much higher top speeds.

I'm not arguing against the H model stang, i just think the P-72 was more advanced and if the need had risen to produce such a fighter we would've probably seen the development of more extensive variants. They were designing variants capable of flying as high as 50,000ft. to operate as transcontinental interceptor and escort fighters.
These were some of the most advanced prop planes before jets came along.

The H model stang is really an old prodigy with a bigger engine, i can't say it wasn't a good plane, i just think its actual combat roll was very limited in a time that jets were really starting to succeed. So in otherwords, the P-51H might've been one of the better Mustangs performance wise, but for its time, it was really not all that advanced.

anyway, back to planes in game. I can't decide. P-47 is my favorite, and i find it does well against any opponent even jets.
Please don't kick me if i beat you using a P-47 and you are in a jet.

Whats the sense, if its not only about the planes in game? You could say Eurofighter then...

No, the most advanced plane in game is IMHO MiG-9 and YP-80... and if 'what if' planes also count, then its Me262HG and Ta-183, since their swept wing design and of course Heinkel 'Lerche'.